Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

Eskimonster · Jan 11, 2023

Yet another thread ending in Fanboys throwing mud cakes....

wolf · Jan 11, 2023

Assimilator said:
So why are you doing it? Are you illiterate?

Seems like it, the way you were responded to, either they can't read your words properly without filling in non-existent blanks from their own personal pocketbook of bias, or understand it properly. All this and connectorgate has already blown over.

Eskimonster said:
Yet another thread ending in Fanboys throwing mud cakes....

Well, when it starts with fanboys throwing mud cakes...

kilo · Jan 11, 2023

Eskimonster said:
Yet another thread ending in Fanboys throwing mud cakes....

It's different this time. Last week's episode was AMD vs Nvidia. Tonight's show is 8-pin vs 12-pin.

Still waiting for those "my 8 pin melted" highlights people keep talking about.

wolf · Jan 11, 2023

kilo said:
Still waiting for those "my 8 pin melted" highlights people keep talking about.

Just a quick 5 second google without a deep dive

FWIW I wasn't using this example as a "see it happened here too", but it does appear to have happened.

kilo · Jan 12, 2023

wolf said:
Just a quick 5 second google without a deep dive

FWIW I wasn't using this example as a "see it happened here too", but it does appear to have happened.

View attachment 278670

My duckduckgo search for the exact same term within the top 15 results was 2 results for 8 pin pcie melting, 1 result for 12 pin melting, and 10 results for shopping adapters of some sort. Guess search engines are not all made equal. Or cookies :|

Still curious on the age of the GPU's or PSU's melting 8 pins vs $1600+ new out if box GPU's.

TheinsanegamerN · Jan 12, 2023

Well this thread went off the rails LOL. You want more market share AMD? Actually make GPUs that people want, at a price they can afford, and supply them when the market is hot.

ARF said:
The graphics division is reporting losses. It can't forever be subsidized by the other divisions.

Even in RTG itself is losing money it'll stick around. APUs are a major money maker for AMD. Without APUs AMD would have 0% mobile marketshare and 0 presence in OEM desktops or all in ones or chromebooks. APUs also power the two big consoles, the steam deck, and countless mobiles.

Their biggest issues with profit IMO comes from production. RX 6000s were nowhere to be found for over a year after launch, nvidia was too, and now nvidia has huge marketshare. The only way that happens is if there were simply no GPUs to buy, which makes sense since AMD was prioritizing CPU production.

Vya Domus said:
I had a computer science professor in college that never wanted to use AMD CPUs again, his reasoning was that he once installed an AMD CPU I don't know how many years ago and forgot to remove the plastic film on the cooler and it overheated and that later he bought an Intel CPU where he also forgot to remove the plastic film and that one didn't overheat. So in his mind the Intel CPUs were somehow better.

I repeat, this was a computer science professor, and yes, he was dumb enough to forget to remove the plastic film from the cooler not once but twice. All kinds of idiots roam around the earth.

You cant teach common sense or wisdom.

Keullo-e · Jan 12, 2023

Got a 6700 XT as it was the best I could afford. Faster and cheaper than a 3060 Ti, even trades blows with 3070 in some situations. Its only weak point is the weak raytracing performance, but that's not a must-have feature for me.

Upgraded from 1080 Ti and not a bad upgrade. The main reason was that my friend wanted my 1080 Ti so I sold that to him.
edit: I play with 4K60, still has enough horsepower.

kapone32 · Jan 12, 2023

TheinsanegamerN said:
Their biggest issues with profit IMO comes from production. RX 6000s were nowhere to be found for over a year after launch, nvidia was too, and now nvidia has huge marketshare. The only way that happens is if there were simply no GPUs to buy, which makes sense since AMD was prioritizing CPU production.

You cant teach common sense or wisdom.

That is not true. AMD cards were easier to come by not because Nvidia stopped production. In fact they increased production but were selling cards directly and some of the AIBs even admitted as much. Between 2021 until mid 2022 you could not find a 30 series card but Twiiter, Tik Tok and Youtube had thousands of videos of people showing off their farms full of 3070s and 3080s. Both Companies were making as many GPUs as they could, but the fact that the 3080 was the same price as the 6800XT but double the Mining performance fully explains this Market Share that people would like to credit to The Windows Direct X feature called Ray Tracing and Nvidia's version of Upscaling. Thank you PS4.

maxfly · Jan 12, 2023

Like I said 50 pages ago. Trying to project doom and gloom from one quarter is simply ignorant, plain and simple. The rest of this thread is just typically boring bs that's been flapped on about in every AMD vs Nvidia thread since the beginning of fanboyism.

Flush this turd into the cesspool of nonsense where it belonged from its inception.

WHOOOOSH

Keullo-e · Jan 12, 2023

maxfly said:
Like I said 50 pages ago. Trying to project doom and gloom from one quarter is simply ignorant, plain and simple. The rest of this thread is just typically boring bs that's been flapped on about in every AMD vs Nvidia thread since the beginning of fanboyism.

Flush this turd into the cesspool of nonsense where it belonged from its inception.

WHOOOOSH

Fanboys ruin threads like this, I'm old enought to not be a fanboy myself. Personally I just got the best card which fit my budget at ~500EUR.

64K · Jan 12, 2023

maxfly said:
Like I said 50 pages ago. Trying to project doom and gloom from one quarter is simply ignorant, plain and simple. The rest of this thread is just typically boring bs that's been flapped on about in every AMD vs Nvidia thread since the beginning of fanboyism.

Flush this turd into the cesspool of nonsense where it belonged from its inception.

WHOOOOSH

Almost any thread that has the potential to pit Nvidia vs AMD is going to end in a train wreck. A lot of gamers get emotional over their brand.

A Computer Guy · Jan 12, 2023

64K said:
Almost any thread that has the potential to pit Nvidia vs AMD is going to end in a train wreck. A lot of gamers get emotional over their brand.

I've never quite understood - fanboyism. I mean sure I've been quite excited over products and brands and sports teams, but at the end of the day I have to ask myself is it meeting my needs, daily expectations , and generally working well for me? If yes I can recommend or possibly even promote it to others based on my experiences. If no I got to look somewhere else.

Keullo-e · Jan 12, 2023

64K said:
Almost any thread that has the potential to pit Nvidia vs AMD is going to end in a train wreck. A lot of gamers get emotional over their brand.

Nvidia just sucks with its pricing, they just cost more and more with every generation. And the chip shortage not that long ago didn't help at all.

I hate the company, not their products. Their pricing is just insane.

wolf · Jan 12, 2023

A Computer Guy said:
I've never quite understood - fanboyism. I mean sure I've been quite excited over products and brands and sports teams, but at the end of the day I have to ask myself is it meeting my needs, daily expectations , and generally working well for me? If yes I can recommend or possibly even promote it to others based on my experiences. If no I got to look somewhere else.

This is a great approach and what I and a lot of other people do, unfortunately some people are so passionately fanboying they believe that their buying criteria supersedes your own, and label you a fanboy for picking a product they wouldn't, go figure.

emothxughts · Jan 12, 2023

What do you want from AMD to improve, so that makes you buy a Radeon?

I picked "increase the prices even more" for the giggles.

On a serious note, adding budget to low-mid range GPUs to the 7000 series lineup sooner than later, not all of us are keen on buying the GPU equivalent of Ferraris and Lamborghinis, some of us just want the GPU equivalent of a Toyota, getting our 1080p 60fps rendering done just right, while leaving room to be able to speed on the highway, so to speak. And preferably not gimped like the RX 6500 XT was. (On a side note, need more GPU - cars comparisons in this thread.)

fevgatos · Jan 12, 2023

Vya Domus said:
Not they don't, Nvidia and Dell wanted it and it was added by PCI-SIG at their expense. PCI-SIG has hundreds of members (that includes AMD, Intel, IBM and basically every other major player), so by definition since it was just two of them that needed it that means most of the industry representatives didn't want it. At no point in my life messing with computers was I ever bothered by the fact that I have to plug in two cables instead of one. Certainly not bothered enough to take the risk of improperly plugin in some crappy adapter and having it melt. Anyone that has built computers knows that power cable adapters are and will always be a bad idea.

There is nothing innovative about a bloody connector, what's innovative is managing to screw even something as simple as that up with crappy design.

Here's some innovation for you : Instead of having to come up with whatever stupid connector you had to invent because your GPUs draw 4x 8pin worth of power, why don't you just make a GPU that doesn't need 4x 8pin worth of power ?

Who told you that it was just nvidia that wanted it? Amds next cards are going to have it, and the only reason current cards didnt was because they were already in production when it got standarized.

Also the 4090 doesn't need 4x8pins. You know what needs even mean? There are models with 3x8pins into a 16 pin, so yeadh nvidia made a gpu that doesnt need 4x8pins.

freeagent · Jan 12, 2023

If AMD could be more like Nvidia that would be great...

Office Space GIF by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment

Some people do more than just game on their super nice GPU

Folding on an AMD GPU is not quite as good so it seems.. hopefully things on both AMD and Stanford's end can be optimized through some really clever and efficient coding. But really, that is beyond my realm, I am just a basic user.

Outside of that performance doesn't seem too bad, and the price.. well you know.

I bet if AMD put the ATi logo back on they would kickaxe.. again. Seriously, they have a hard time winning because they killed Kenny :laugh:

Who's Ray?

I don't use it.. much. 8GB and 3840x2160 laugh at my wishes. 2K is ok though.. dammit.

Quake RTX runs at like 40FPS with my setup, cant remember if that was with X3D or not.. but it was at 4K.. so that didn't help.

/ramble

tpa-pr · Jan 12, 2023

This is an odd thread and poll.

Being a "fanboy" is a pointless endeavour anyway. Find and use the product that works best for you at the time and be flexible enough for that to change in the future, if necessary.

My current build is AMD because I've had poor experience with Intel and Nvidia, I don't need any of the "extra" Nvidia offer (or do better with their line-up, DLSS/RT etc) and what AMD sold me will be future-proof for my needs for probably a decade. I swore by Western Digital drives for the longest time until I had a string of bad drives and support, so now my build uses Seagate.

All of the above is subject to change if they stop being the "best" product for me. I have no interest in playing favourites because none of the "sides" will do me any favours anyway.

As for what AMD could do to improve, better driver support in Windows would be nice. My Linux experience with their drivers was fantastic, my Windows experience has been "fine" and could be better. Otherwise, just continue existing and improving so we have competition.

Keullo-e · Jan 12, 2023

tpa-pr said:
This is an odd thread and poll.

Being a "fanboy" is a pointless endeavour anyway. Find and use the product that works best for you at the time and be flexible enough for that to change in the future, if necessary.

My current build is AMD because I've had poor experience with Intel and Nvidia, I don't need any of the "extra" Nvidia offer or do better with their line-up and what AMD sold me will be future-proof for my needs for probably a decade. I swore by Western Digital drives for the longest time until I had a string of bad drives and support, so now my build uses Seagate.

All of the above is subject to change if they stop being the "best" product for me. I have no interest in playing favourites because none of the "sides" will do me any favours anyway.

As for what AMD could do to improve, better driver support in Windows would be nice. My Linux experience with their drivers was fantastic, my Windows experience has been "fine" and could be better. Otherwise, just continue existing and improving so we have competition.

You have good points there. I have an AMD/AMD build just because they offer hella great price/performance ratio, and for a budget gamer like me, I can't complain.

GreiverBlade · Jan 12, 2023

Kissamies said:
Fanboys ruin threads like this, I'm old enought to not be a fanboy myself. Personally I just got the best card which fit my budget at ~500EUR.

absolute same.

Kissamies said:
Nvidia just sucks with its pricing, they just cost more and more with every generation. And the chip shortage not that long ago didn't help at all.

I hate the company, not their products. Their pricing is just insane.

again, same (also the reason why i hate Apple, Samsung and others... but not Razer... them? price not good quality not good, personal experience ofc )

tpa-pr said:
This is an odd thread and poll.

Being a "fanboy" is a pointless endeavour anyway. Find and use the product that works best for you at the time and be flexible enough for that to change in the future, if necessary.

My current build is AMD because I've had poor experience with Intel and Nvidia, I don't need any of the "extra" Nvidia offer (or do better with their line-up, DLSS/RT etc) and what AMD sold me will be future-proof for my needs for probably a decade. I swore by Western Digital drives for the longest time until I had a string of bad drives and support, so now my build uses Seagate.

All of the above is subject to change if they stop being the "best" product for me. I have no interest in playing favourites because none of the "sides" will do me any favours anyway.

As for what AMD could do to improve, better driver support in Windows would be nice. My Linux experience with their drivers was fantastic, my Windows experience has been "fine" and could be better. Otherwise, just continue existing and improving so we have competition.

Kissamies said:
You have good points there. I have an AMD/AMD build just because they offer hella great price/performance ratio, and for a budget gamer like me, I can't complain.

HELLA, SAME!

so, glad in being in the 8% for Q3 2022 with my buy.

Keullo-e · Jan 12, 2023

GreiverBlade said:
again, same (also the reason why i hate Apple, Samsung and others... but not Razer... them? price not good quality not good, personal experience ofc )

I also hate Apple yet I still use an iPhone and I'll get an iPhone next month, just because I love iOS

Luckily you got my point at least, you can hate the company behind it but still like their products.

Vya Domus · Jan 12, 2023

fevgatos said:
Amds next cards are going to have it, and the only reason current cards didnt was because they were already in production when it got standarized.

Wrong, the rumor was that their current cards were going to have it which they didn't. There is no reason to put that connector on a card that doesn't need more than 2x8pin and when 99.9% of PSUs still don't have a 16pin.

It's simply unnecessary.

fevgatos said:
Also the 4090 doesn't need 4x8pins. You know what needs even mean? There are models with 3x8pins into a 16 pin, so yeadh nvidia made a gpu that doesnt need 4x8pins.

The FE models ship with a 4x8pin adapter so Nvidia sure seems to think it needs a 4x8pin, cause otherwise they wouldn't have put it in the box, right ? A 4090 can pull over 600W so that's technically over the spec for 3x8pin, they obviously know that which is why they put a 4x8pin adapter.

fevgatos · Jan 12, 2023

Vya Domus said:
Wrong, the rumor was that their current cards were going to have it which they didn't. There is no reason to put that connector on a card that doesn't need more than 2x8pin and when 99.9% of PSUs still don't have a 16pin.

It's simply unnecessary.

The FE models ship with a 4x8pin adapter so Nvidia sure seems to think it needs a 4x8pin, cause otherwise they wouldn't have put it in the box, right ? A 4090 can pull over 600W so that's technically over the spec for 3x8pin, they obviously know that which is why they put a 4x8pin adapter.

Any card can pull over 600 watts. That doesnt really mean anything. Thats why you have firmware power limits, to prevent the card - any card from drawing that much.

The 4090 in gaming usually sits below 400 watts even at 4k, and seeing how they are all voltage locked, you cant push them much.

Nothing stopped nvidia from shipping the fe with a 450w power limit and 3x8pins just like aibs did. It was a choice, they didnt need to. I have a 450w power limit 4090, gets the same performnace as the 600 fe.

claes · Jan 12, 2023

Don’t bother vya answered speculation about the next gen with the reality of the current gen

this thread is dumb

Vya Domus · Jan 12, 2023

fevgatos said:
Any card can pull over 600 watts.

No they don't, power limits didn't exist on cards 10 years ago and any random GPU wouldn't just draw infinite power because it didn't have a vBIOS power limit.

fevgatos said:
Nothing stopped nvidia from shipping the fe with a 450w power limit and 3x8pins just like aibs did.

But they didn't, by the way the power limited is locked on a 4090 unless you have 4x8pins plugged in. So by any reasonable definition it is required since the card doesn't have all the features enabled if you don't have every cable plugged in. Some manufacturers have even locked the power limit anyway to 100%, I wonder why.

The card was clearly intended to be used with 4x8pins, I don't know why you are trying so hard to prove otherwise.

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Storage	250gb870EVO/500gb860EVO/2tbSandisk/NVMe2tb+1tb/4tbextreme V2/1TB Arion/500gb/8gb/256gb/2tb SN770M
Display(s)	X58222 32" 2880x1620/32"FHDTV/273E3LHSB 27" 1920x1080/6.67"/AMOLED 2X panel FHD+120hz/FHD 120hz
Case	Cougar Panzer Max/Elite 8300 SFF/None/back/back-front Gorilla Glass Victus 2+ UAG Monarch Carbon
Audio Device(s)	Logi Z333/SB Audigy RX/HDMI/HDMI/Dolby Atmos/KZ x HBB PR2/Edifier STAX Spirit S3 & SamsungxAKG beans
Power Supply	Chieftec Proton BDF-1000C /HP 240w/12v 1.5A/4Smart Voltplug PD 30W/Asus USB-C 65W
Mouse	Speedlink Sovos Vertical-Asus ROG Spatha-Logi Ergo M575/Xiaomi XMRM-006/touch/touch
Keyboard	Endorfy Thock 75% <3/none/touch/virtual
VR HMD	Medion Erazer
Software	Win10 64/Win8.1 64/Android TV 8.1/Android 13/Win11 64
Benchmark Scores	bench...mark? i do leave mark on bench sometime, to remember which one is the most comfortable. :o

System Name	boomer--->zoomer not your typical millenial build
Processor	i5-760 @ 3.8ghz + turbo ~goes wayyyyyyyyy fast cuz turboooooz~
Motherboard	P55-GD80 ~best motherboard ever designed~
Cooling	NH-D15 ~double stack thot twerk all day~
Memory	16GB Crucial Ballistix LP ~memory gone AWOL~
Video Card(s)	MSI GTX 970 ~~GOLDEN EDITION~~ RAWRRRRRR
Storage	500GB Samsung 850 Evo (OS X, *nix), 128GB Samsung 840 Pro (W10 Pro), 1TB SpinPoint F3 ~best in class
Display(s)	ASUS VW246H ~best 24" you've seen FULL HD 1O80PP SLAPS~
Case	FT02-W ~the W stands for white but it's brushed aluminum except for the disgusting ODD bays; cries
Audio Device(s)	A LOT
Power Supply	850W EVGA SuperNova G2 ~hot fire like champagne~
Mouse	CM Spawn ~cmcz R c00l seth mcfarlane darawss~
Keyboard	CM QF Rapid - Browns ~fastrrr kees for fstr teens~
Software	integrated into the chassis
Benchmark Scores	9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

System Name	Good enough
Processor	AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge
Motherboard	ASRock B650 Pro RS
Cooling	2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30
Memory	32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz
Video Card(s)	Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora
Storage	1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s)	LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV
Case	Phanteks NV7
Power Supply	GPS-750C

Radeon extremely low market share, only 8% in Q3 2022?

What do you want from AMD to improve, so that makes you buy a Radeon?

Significantly decrease the prices!

Add maximum mining performance

Improve ray-tracing, DLSS, PhysX and/or other proprietary nvidia features

Go back to legacy control panel like nvidia's window tab

Decrease image quality to be inline with nvidia

Increase the prices even more

Something else (write it in a comment)

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