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Radeon R9 290 Performance Figures Leaked, Beats GTX 780

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#51
At the risk of angering some people who lack objectivity, it would be prudent to point out the guy works for a company that wants to maximise sales volume. It's his job to create hype.
Gibbo has been in bed with AMD for months now. You can bet on it these results are cherry picked and very specifically set up.
 
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Gibbo has been in bed with AMD for months now. You can bet on it these results are cherry picked and very specifically set up.
That`s ridiculous, as he sells all type of hardware including AMD and Nvidia LOL. If anything I would suspect tech sites more over big hardware retailers to be biased.

Am sure you feel TTL at OC3D and LinusTechTips are the ones to be trusted right? :slap: The banners/colours at OcUK have been Green since god knows how long.

The R9 290 Is going to bring law, order and justice to the GPU market :respect:
Nvidia did the exact opposite by ripping people off. There are allot of people who are unhappy with Nvidia, so I only hope Nvidia think twice before they price the GTX 780TI.

PS I might actually go with cheaper R9 280X and not the 290 since it beats the 780 in some games.
 
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#53
Gibbo has been in bed with AMD for months now. You can bet on it these results are cherry picked and very specifically set up.
That's so ridiculous

You seem to want to validate you stance or re-assure yourself of you purchase by the constant put down and re-assurance of your post lately

Get over it.

As time goes on new hardware comes out and it improves. Different people see different value in things and not everyone see it from the same perspective as you.

Its so naïve and narrow minded that your perspective as convince as you are that will be the norm or adapted by others because you want it to.

I really don't see how he could be in bed with AMD when he using

Titan - 993MHz / 6008MHz
R290X STD - 1000MHz / 5000MHz
R290X OC - 1060MHz / 6000MHz
R290X CF STD - 1000MHz / 5000MHz
R290X CF OC - 1050MHz / 5700MHz
- ???MHz / ????MHz
- ????MHz / ????MHz
R280 DC2TOP - 1070MHz / 6400MHz
R280 DC2TOP CF - 1070MHz / 6400MHz
KFA2 GTX 780 HOF - 1310MHz / 6700MHz
GTX 780 STD - 967MHz / 6008MHz
What hes showing is a non-reference 780 OC+(OC) can still compete with a mildly OC reference R9 290X in these benchmarks and vise versa

Its up-to the consumer to decide which one suits them.


Unfortunately Gibbo has in the past hyped up certain cards. The last I noticed was an AMD card and when it was released was nowhere near his estimate. Annoyingly I genuinely can't recall. Might have been the 6970 stomping all over the competition but i cant be sure.
Its very naive imo to believe any review from any sales person, regardless of what is being reviewed. Anybody taking note of a sales persons review is off base.
However, the Hawaii chip is still impressive in terms of competition with team green.
So your unsure of his bias in the past but cant provide proof of it ?

I'm not here to stick up for this person or site but how does that discredit his test results (these aren't estimates)?

I agree its naïve to believe any review regardless and would add its to ones own detriment to take a random persons post on a forum as fact as well.
 
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Unfortunately Gibbo has in the past hyped up certain cards. The last I noticed was an AMD card and when it was released was nowhere near his estimate. Annoyingly I genuinely can't recall. Might have been the 6970 stomping all over the competition but i cant be sure.
Its very naive imo to believe any review from any sales person, regardless of what is being reviewed. Anybody taking note of a sales persons review is off base.
However, the Hawaii chip is still impressive in terms of competition with team green.
 
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Gibbo has been in bed with AMD for months now. You can bet on it these results are cherry picked and very specifically set up.
i don't think so. :rolleyes: However, we will see the actual number in the next few days .
 
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Oh you had 290X?Mind to build a club here? :)
Unfortunately I don't have the time to properly maintain a thread for club members and I would be doing a disservice to other 290X owners by starting a club so soon, but there are plenty of other forum users that are getting this card really soon and will be able to better maintain this club, I will definitely a club once it opens :)

Are you getting a 290X/290?

The 290 might be an awesome value for the price if it's faster than the GTX780 out of the box, it might have some good OC potential if the disabled steam processors help the silicon run cooler than its older brother.

For now it would be wise to wait until the card is officially released before making conjectures IMHO :)
 

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nvidia fanbois... are feeling butthurt everywhere :roll:
So the card AMD just put out, generates a ALOT more heat, and requires ALOT more power to MATCH tech from Nvidia that's been out...for 8 months?

Good to see AMD getting back in the ring after the CF frame rate issues, healthy competition only benefits the consumer...
 
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#60
Will this version use the same cooler as on 290X or will there be 290 cards with custom coolers from day one?
I think custom coolers will be available from day one. I just looked on Newegg and found for the 'coming soon' r9 290. One of the Asus models has this name; ASUS X9290-DC2T-4GD5 in the specification section. Therefore implying there will be a DirectCUII cooler version available. Whether it comes out on day one or if this is really true is another matter though. ASUS R9290-4GD5 Radeon R9 290 Video Card

That being said though, there is the same thing for the 290x from Asus but it is apparently discontinued :/
ASUS X9290X-DC2T-4GD5 Radeon R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 Vid...
 
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I'm not 100% on this.. depending if they change cap limits per AIB in bios.

The way the cards run a aftermarket cooler will not matter as default. The way PowerTune works now it will try and reach the limits. Unless told otherwise.

You will have to manually set a Temp target via OverDrive. This means sacrificing fan speed/noise for temp/performance.

For instance Asus DirectCU cooler might give you a higher limit in clock and memory but it will be at the 95C temp limit. The advantage is a higher sustained performance in dynamic clock.
You could also lower the Temp target to 75C while running quieter then silent mode in a reference cooler but not at the same performance (I don't think they cool that well).

So in essence non-reference coolers will still be hitting the 95C temp at a lower noise level while providing a higher sustain dynamic clock.

The only issue I see is AIB with low-end cooling solutions will stick out like soar thumbs and will be mad. Most people will lean towards the better cooling solution once comparisons come out.
 
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Except for the people who have already bought titan at $1,000 or even the 780, bought at the wrong time and paid too much....
That's the standard way of the world in tech. The earlier you buy, the more you pay.

Did this Gibbo guy delete his posts? The Elpida ram historically clocks lower than the Hynix or Samsung. If you add voltage to anything, you can overclock it more. Not sure where he was going with that... but there are complaints on the Elpida memory and its overclocking even from EVGA and many other users.

Regarding the Titan losing its value. I see where he was coming from. The Titan is a $1K card that performs like a $730 card (any overclocked 780 will match a Titan). So from an enthusiast stand point, especially in a used market (not faux markets like ebay where there are idiots that will still pay $1K for a used Titan), the value of that card has plummeted due to the competition. I mean The 290x is a hair below it for $580 for Pete's sake! The difference in performance between a Titan and a $780 is ~5%. About the only financially responsible reason to purchase a Titan in the current market, or since the release of the 780 at least, is because of its compute and DP abilities in the professional graphics segment. If you do not use that stuff, than saving $300 and getting a 780 is the fiscally responsible choice.... technically, today, the 290X would be the go to card.
Since when was buying high performance anything about being fiscally responsible? The tippy top of any segment, be it gfx cards, cpus, or even cars, has always come with a stiff premium.

Just like the old Athlon P4 days huh? which made no difference in price, so that's never going to happen.
No, AMD just charged the same premiums for their high end too, because Intel already set the precedent, and AMD didn't bother trying to change it. They just followed Intel's lead.

Here, AMD is setting the precedent. So nVidia will have to react to maintain sales. Though Titan may not be affected due to it's DP compute capabilities. It remains in a niche where AMD has no direct competition.


That said, have AMD's drivers improved? I went green after all the driver issues I had with the 4k and 5k series. I'll consider them again if their software quality has improved.
 
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7990? That is now half price in the UK :) So AMD is also guilty of over inflating the price of a card. Everything you say could be applied to this situation with the 7990, yet you dont make a case against that either, because you are here to specifically knock NVidia for all intents and purpose.
How can you even compare the 7990, it has 2 GPUs. I don't expect any company to give away the 2nd GPU for free. But anyway, I have never been a fan of the $1,000 GPU from any company for that reason, they don't hold their value. So instead of assuming and accusing people you don't even know. How about you grow up?

Its OK for you to criticize the AMD card(as you have a few times in the 290X review thread) but when someone criticizes NVidia you get upset and accuse people of being fanboys. You're talking to a Nvidia 680 lightning owner lol.

Care to show the proof that Titan lost almost 50% of its value in just a couple of months? Any paper or sheet or legit article you can show everyone here? Or that was just your stupid argument out of blind hatred, being a fanboy and all? I've read many comments like that talking shit about Intel or Creative or any other company. Yet people who posted comments like that always failed to make a case against those company. Sorry, but I have to say this; I hate fanboys. Fanboys = retards, doesn't matter the color or side. :nutkick:

I've been an Intel and NVIDIA user since the GeForce 2 MX days and I bought their hardwares mainly for productivity but I never looked down upon other companies. ATI/AMD is surely inefficient regarding power consumption and there are many things like driver issues and whatnot but there's no need for me to say bad things about them like AMD=FAIL or whatever. Maybe it's just ATI/AMD trademark, maybe it's just the way they do things. So what? Love it or leave it.

But yeah, maybe that's because I'm not a fanboy to any side and I'm not a retard.

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You need to grow up too. I'm running a 680 lightning at the moment you fool. If you go back through my comments. I don't personally attack people but I will make an exception in your case because you personally attacked me. I'm getting so sick of you juvenile ignoramouses who think they can pass judgement on people they don't know based on one generic comment.

Its obvious that the only 2 people who got offended happen to own a titan or 780 and are butthurt. You accused me of being a fan boy but my comment to Rcoon was a result of him trolling the AMD 290X/290 release stories on TPU and complaining and whinging and putting AMD down every chance he gets. I didn't start this shit. Maybe you butthurt Nvidia fanboys who spent a fortune on titan should stay out of the AMD threads so you wont get upset and cry about all the money you spent.

I buy cards from both Nvidia and AMD but I don't like it when companies overprice graphics cards and Nvidia is much worse than AMD in that regard. Proprietary tech is also bad for consumers. Nvidia started it , now AMD is joining in and its not going to be for us consumers down the road. That is my opinion and the opinion of many in the tech field. My hope is that Nvidia will listen to public backlash on its prices and proprietary tech and change. If you're happy to bend over and take it up the ass that's up to you.

TPU is not what it used to be, I know a lot of us who have been here for years are sick of these blowin teenagers who signed up like a year ago and like to talk shit on the forums.
 

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EDIT: Wrong thread. damn phone app...
 

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That said, have AMD's drivers improved? I went green after all the driver issues I had with the 4k and 5k series. I'll consider them again if their software quality has improved.
People say they have.
 
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I'm assuming that just like Nvidia's last series of cards we will not be able to use something like MSI Afterburner to unlock and overclock? (I've just ordered a battlefield edition from XFX)
 
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Gibbo has been in bed with AMD for months now. You can bet on it these results are cherry picked and very specifically set up.
There is a thin guideline for reviewer or tester,we cannot express explicitly our discrepancy regardless its perform worse or better than competitor.If you were neutral and unbiased reviewer you might serve anything in a silver plate,include your personal opinion in closing and let readers make their own conclusion.

As predicted before,but i couldn't believed AMD could take a small lead from GTX 780 since they only equipped with 2560 SP.
Oh and...just a big dreaming...AMD could planning dual card as 7990 predecessor,maybe R9 299X (dual R9 290) at much "affordable" price ($899) in case nVidia going nuts and release $1250 GTX 790 (dual GTX 780).

i don't think so. :rolleyes: However, we will see the actual number in the next few days .
If turn out on par with GTX 780 and only causing $450 damage what will you do? :p

Are you getting a 290X/290?

The 290 might be an awesome value for the price if it's faster than the GTX780 out of the box, it might have some good OC potential if the disabled steam processors help the silicon run cooler than its older brother.

For now it would be wise to wait until the card is officially released before making conjectures IMHO :)
I was excited yet reluctant to have crossfire 290X.It undoubtedly suit my eyefinity needs,yet my 760W PSU will scream like ol' granny if i take two of them without any consideration.On the other hand,i cant have more juice since my shack only had 10 Amps :laugh:

I'm just wish R290 power consumption within 7970 envelope,unlike its older brother which is skyrocketing near 7990.Even if they perform 3% slower than GTX 780,they will had my money :D
 

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People say they have.
I certainly think that they have, but granted my experience with nVidia cards has been the opposite as others' have had. I had a nVidia card fry DDC on a display at work which was stepping over the line. At least AMD hasn't damaged any of my devices. :p

On to the note of drivers, I've felt that crossfire has been more stable lately and with the new frame pacing, it runs very smoothly as well. I can't complain about it.
 
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#69
I'm assuming that just like Nvidia's last series of cards we will not be able to use something like MSI Afterburner to unlock and overclock? (I've just ordered a battlefield edition from XFX)
You will just check the 290x review w1zz tested voltage scaling on the card which means it is definitely possible but it depends on AIBs to provide a unlocked bios. Asus xfx and gigabyte have started voltage locking their cards but sapphire and MSI don't voltage lock. Though sapphires cards tend to have software compatibility issues and you have to wait a little before voltage control works.
 
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#70
prolimatech have a heat sink for R9 290x at ocuk....

theres 4 versions with and without fans, in black or chrome but I need to see some perf numbers between a few hsf's before I throw 80quid at cooling a gpu...
 
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#71
@buildzoid, thanks.
Looks like my case is going to be perfect for this hot card, even though it's going straight under water I'm sure it would still kick out some heat into the case.
Got it on a before 12 delivery, next few hours are gonna suck.
 

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#72
How can you even compare the 7990, it has 2 GPUs. I don't expect any company to give away the 2nd GPU for free. But anyway, I have never been a fan of the $1,000 GPU from any company for that reason, they don't hold their value. So instead of assuming and accusing people you don't even know. How about you grow up?

Its OK for you to criticize the AMD card(as you have a few times in the 290X review thread) but when someone criticizes NVidia you get upset and accuse people of being fanboys. You're talking to a Nvidia 680 lightning owner lol.



You need to grow up too. I'm running a 680 lightning at the moment you fool. If you go back through my comments. I don't personally attack people but I will make an exception in your case because you personally attacked me. I'm getting so sick of you juvenile ignoramouses who think they can pass judgement on people they don't know based on one generic comment.

Its obvious that the only 2 people who got offended happen to own a titan or 780 and are butthurt. You accused me of being a fan boy but my comment to Rcoon was a result of him trolling the AMD 290X/290 release stories on TPU and complaining and whinging and putting AMD down every chance he gets. I didn't start this shit. Maybe you butthurt Nvidia fanboys who spent a fortune on titan should stay out of the AMD threads so you wont get upset and cry about all the money you spent.

I buy cards from both Nvidia and AMD but I don't like it when companies overprice graphics cards and Nvidia is much worse than AMD in that regard. Proprietary tech is also bad for consumers. Nvidia started it , now AMD is joining in and its not going to be for us consumers down the road. That is my opinion and the opinion of many in the tech field. My hope is that Nvidia will listen to public backlash on its prices and proprietary tech and change. If you're happy to bend over and take it up the ass that's up to you.

TPU is not what it used to be, I know a lot of us who have been here for years are sick of these blowin teenagers who signed up like a year ago and like to talk shit on the forums.
Proprietary tech is not always bad. It drives innovation. Take CUDA, for example. Direct Compute and OpenCL would not be where they are today if not for CUDA. And nVidia still supports both of those open standards. CUDA is just able to do things those APIs don't have provisions for. And because of that, those features will find their way into the open standards. Proprietary is only bad if it locks you out from open standards in the process.
 

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#74
I look at it this way, Providing a win in competition, bringing down prices for both camps- amd fans get agood card just as nvidia fans do.