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Sometime in the coming months I'm upgrading my system, or when Ice Lake comes out, which will be a longer wait, but yeah...

Anyways, I was mulling over storage solutions, as I currently have just a 128GB SSD and a 500GB SSD. Games are getting bigger and bigger, and I could get 3 1TB drives for the price of one 1TB SSD, throw them in RAID 5, and wind up with 2TB storage. Then, I can use that for games and anything else for a long time. I'm not too concerned with write performance, but I do want good read performance. Would 3 drives in RAID 5 be good for that, or would I maybe be better off with 2 2TB drives in RAID 1?
 
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Get a HDD and cache it with an SSD. Btw I know games are getting bigger,but who keeps all of them installed ? Do you play 20 at once ? 500GB SSD is more than enough for games, 1TB SSD is plenty. I suggest getting a second 500GB SSD if you can't fit them on one. HDDs are good for storage but performance/noise-wise they're absolutely awful compared to SSDs.

2TB HDD,even in raid5,stands no chance in comparison against 1TB SSD for games. It's only better for data that does not need constant quick access.
 
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personally i have 2 wd blacks in raid 0 and they dont hold a candle to my 960 evo or even my mx300. ssds are just such a big performance jump. Something like r6 takes ~30 seconds to load a map on the black array, ~5 seconds on the mx300 and less than a second on the 960.
 

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That's what they said back when I got my 512gb ssd, which is now in another system. I wasn't impressed with the performance in games at that time...
 
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unfortunatly his current machine wont support optane/NVMe.
 
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He's upgrading. Read what the man wrote.

I think amd's storage MI is a neat option, especially when you combine it with a big SSD, like +500GB. Still, I'd rather have all my games on a dedicated SSD but overall it's a very good option.
 
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Again with the helium HDD thing? Like that makes it faster? B to the S.

I briefly had one of the Barracuda Pro 256MB 8TB drives. Wasn't as fast as the Toshiba X300 128MB 5TB(I also briefly had) in sequential R/W. And was only slightly faster in random R/W. Yet the Seagate cost more than twice as much. NOT impressed. Returned it(just like I did with the Toshiba prior, for being as loud as a chainsaw). And that was the last time I will ever spend another dime on an HDD. I've gone SSD now...and ain't never going back!

Anyway. Seen that link posted for a Micron 1100 2TB SSD the other day. $268 on sale. Throw your games on one of those. You'll be glad you did. Instead of dicking around with an HDD RAID array. ;)
 
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I somehow managed to forget all about RAID 0. I wouldn't really care if it blew up and I had to download my games again. I could RAID 0 two 1TB drives for a total cost of about $90 today (Seagate Barracudas) giving me 2TB for games and whatever other crap. A single 1TB SSD still costs $190 for the cheapest one one Newegg. So I could save about $100 and get more storage space. Question is, is the performance really there? As I mentioned before, it sure didn't seem like it back when I picked up a 512GB SSD, coming from a single 500GB WD Caviar Black.

The OS is already on a 128GB SSD at this point, so the storage solution in question is pretty much just for games and other non critical bulk storage.
 
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For drives bigger than 2 Tb RAID 5 is obsolete. So in this case sure. But RAID 0 would be better
 

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For drives bigger than 2 Tb RAID 5 is obsolete. So in this case sure. But RAID 0 would be better
Yeah, not sure how I missed the possibility of raid 0 in this case. Been thinking too much about other types of raid for other applications lately...
 

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Yeah, not sure how I missed the possibility of raid 0 in this case. Been thinking too much about other types of raid for other applications lately...
In my experience, RAID0 is great for sequential read/write speeds, but the random speeds aren't that great.

If it was me, I'd buy a single 2TB hard drive, and an inexpensive 240-250GB SSD, then use Primocache to setup the SSD as a cache for the HDD. It actually works pretty well. Yeah, it isn't always as fast as an SSD, but it definitely is a boost over just a normal SSD. And once I upgraded to the 8700K and 1080Ti I really noticed the HDD causing stutter in big open world games, but adding the SSD cache eliminated that.
 
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Again with the helium HDD thing? Like that makes it faster? B to the S.

I briefly had one of the Barracuda Pro 256MB 8TB drives. Wasn't as fast as the Toshiba X300 128MB 5TB(I also briefly had) in sequential R/W. And was only slightly faster in random R/W. Yet the Seagate cost more than twice as much. NOT impressed. Returned it(just like I did with the Toshiba prior, for being as loud as a chainsaw). And that was the last time I will ever spend another dime on an HDD. I've gone SSD now...and ain't never going back!

Anyway. Seen that link posted for a Micron 1100 2TB SSD the other day. $268 on sale. Throw your games on one of those. You'll be glad you did. Instead of dicking around with an HDD RAID array. ;)
Again,prove me wrong. All you do is bark at me while reviews tell I'm right. This is not how winning arguments works. Faster than WD black almost every time in real world testing.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-barracuda-pro-10tb-hdd,5210-2.html
https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/79...p-storage-wars-test-results-pcmark8-subscores

Synthetic sequential testing doesn't matter for how your programs run at all. Do you really think it does ?

Where did you get the twice the price number from ? This is absolutely not true. X300 5TB is PLN620 here, Barracuda Pro 6TB is 900PLN. That's PLN124/GB for Toshiba, PLN150/GB for Seagate and it's well worth it with Seagate being faster,quieter,with a 5 year warranty.

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In my experience, RAID0 is great for sequential read/write speeds, but the random speeds aren't that great.

If it was me, I'd buy a single 2TB hard drive, and an inexpensive 240-250GB SSD, then use Primocache to setup the SSD as a cache for the HDD. It actually works pretty well. Yeah, it isn't always as fast as an SSD, but it definitely is a boost over just a normal SSD. And once I upgraded to the 8700K and 1080Ti I really noticed the HDD causing stutter in big open world games, but adding the SSD cache eliminated that.
What about a sshd?
 

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I just realized I could go even cheaper and get another 500GB WDC Black and put it in RAID 0 with the one I already have. I don't need all 128GB of my SSD for my OS and programs either... currently I'm skimming by on a 30GB partition for that. I figure I could RAID some hard drives, and use the rest of my SSD to either store the most demanding games on, or set it up as a cache for the RAID array, though it would only be 80GB or so.
 
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I just tend to go along with the thoughts, my internet sucks, so doesn't matter how fast I can load a program/game up, I'd be waiting for someone else loading the map or something, so why worry if it takes 3 seconds or 30?? If it takes longer then well that's just personal preference :)

Plus I would say that SSDs for the 'big games' like GTA 5, Battlefield etc would probably make more sense, but then it might depend on what games you play and at what res and so on... There's a few variables :) Just depends on your budget or your wants for your system and what that can support I think :)

I would like to go all SSDs if I'm honest, but even with SATA 3 based models, I'd believe that standard single drives would be much easier to deal with than raid'ed modes..
 

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I've never messed with RAID myself previously, so I'm kind of interested in it as a learning experience if nothing else...
 
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I've never messed with RAID myself previously, so I'm kind of interested in it as a learning experience if nothing else...
Oh it's definitely a learning experience :) But may I suggest that you try it with no important data?? Use benchmarks or something if you want to just have a go at it.. Then if anything does go wrong, you won't be stressing out... :)

Oh but definitely backup everything first !! :)
 

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Yeah, it's just for storing games and potentially other storage that isn't critical. If something goes wrong, not the end of the world.
 
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I've never messed with RAID myself previously, so I'm kind of interested in it as a learning experience if nothing else...
I learned about RAID0 with flat ribbon cables running at ATA/133 MB/s per drive on an older Abit board with a Promise controller integrated on the mobo. The drives were from Maxtor if I remember right. Worked well enough at the time.
 
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If you don't want to re-install your entire steam library if a drive fails, RAID-5 is the way to go. RAID-5 only has a couple downsides compared to RAID-0 but, it has some upsides too.
  • RAID-5 offers redundancy so, you won't lose all of your stuff if you have a single drive failure.
  • RAID-5 offers similar read performance as RAID-0 which tends to scale to the number of disks you have.
  • RAID-5 has worse write performance as RAID-0 due to the need to store a parity data for redundancy.
I personally have a steam library on both my RAID-5 (HDDs,) and RAID-0 (SSDs,) for the bigger games that I don't play as often, I install them to the RAID-5. For the smaller or more often played games, I install them to the SSD RAID-0 and that works out fairly well for me.

FWIW, RAID-5 read speeds can be pretty good. This is what I get with 4x1TB drives. Bigger drives are going to have better transfer speeds too since single 1TB can't really break 130MB/s at its best. It's the access time that makes the drive feel slow which is why SSDs feel fast.

RAID-5 (4x1TB WD Black,)
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RAID-0 SSDs: Corsair Force GT 120GB
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Single 1TB WD Black:
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If you're thinking about ssd in raid0 for just regular use, forget it. I've been there. Had 850 Pro in raid0, it was hard to see any benefit. It was no faster than a single drive. A single 850 pro in rapid mode was more responsive in daily use than two of them in raid0.

All in all, the best setup would be a separate ssd for games. Period. I'd rather have a larger SSD than cache a HDD with one. And why would you wanna get rid of your 120GB ssd ? It's perfect for a system drive. I'd be glad to have one myself and just leave the rest of my drives (256+256+512) for games and data.

I think the worst part about your raid5 setup is having three 7200rpm drives running all the time. They're noisy and fail more often than decent ssds due to mechanical parts.
 

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#24
I wouldn't get rid of my SSD. I'm still keeping it, using it as a boot drive for sure. The question was if it would be worth it to partition it out keeping 40GB or so for the system and the rest as a cache, or a separate drive (albeit small) for the most demanding games.

I could care less if I have to redownload my Steam library or whatever other insignificant data on the drive goes. Don't care much for write performance either in this case. Still, $20 more for a third drive for better read performance wouldn't hurt, and the redundancy is there too which doesn't hurt. But then I have a decent storage solution that more than likely isn't gonna blow up so I could store other stuff on it, but it's only 1TB. Or just go big and SSD the whole thing.

Too many decisions. At least I have a while to work it all out and decide what I want to do... :banghead: still got months of saving to go before I can do anything at all, let alone potentially holding until Ice Lake comes around.
 
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#25
Well I can tell you this .... we conducted two experiments:

1. Desktop system ... 5 users over 6 weeks; each system had (2) 256 GB Samsung Pros (2) Seagate 2 TB 7200 rpm SSHDs and (1) 7200 rpm HD. Users were told that we had installed new AV / system monitoring software and asked them to report any periodic performance issues on booting, application or gaming usage. The system had multiple OS installs, set up such that system could be booted of any of the drive types and were changed w/o anyone's knowledge daily via boot menu. Over the 6 weeks, one user reported in one instance where boot time "seemed slower".

2. Twin laptops ... same 5 users, two lappies, one equipped with SSD and HD, one equipped with SSHD. No reported differences

This does not show that all those storage devices are the same speed ... it does show that the user impact is negligible enough that user's are not impacted. These are measured results:

Boot Times:
HD = 21.2 seconds
SSHD = 16.5 seconds
SSD = 15.6 seconds

AutoCAD load large file times were identical which was puzzling

Game load times with MMO were also identical which was attributed to server handshaking being the bottleneck


3. The desktop box was iniially set up, prior to above test as RAID 0 on SSDs and RAID 1 on SSHDs ... after 3 months, arrays were broken.. interestengly when we called Samsung they advised that RAID was not supported nor recommended.

4. We have tested RAID about every three years over the last dozen or so years ... looking for answers as to why we saw no gain in either apps that we use or gaming (RAID does have a place in animation, rendering, video editing) and collexted the following about 10 years ago ... nothing's changed:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_0#RAID_0

RAID 0 is useful for setups such as large read-only NFS servers where mounting many disks is time-consuming or impossible and redundancy is irrelevant.

RAID 0 is also used in some gaming systems where performance is desired and data integrity is not very important. However, real-world tests with games have shown that RAID-0 performance gains are minimal, although some desktop applications will benefit.[1][2]


http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2101
"We were hoping to see some sort of performance increase in the game loading tests, but the RAID array didn't give us that. While the scores put the RAID-0 array slightly slower than the single drive Raptor II, you should also remember that these scores are timed by hand and thus, we're dealing within normal variations in the "benchmark".

Our Unreal Tournament 2004 test uses the full version of the game and leaves all settings on defaults. After launching the game, we select Instant Action from the menu, choose Assault mode and select the Robot Factory level. The stop watch timer is started right after the Play button is clicked, and stopped when the loading screen disappears. The test is repeated three times with the final score reported being an average of the three. In order to avoid the effects of caching, we reboot between runs. All times are reported in seconds; lower scores, obviously, being better. In Unreal Tournament, we're left with exactly no performance improvement, thanks to RAID-0

If you haven't gotten the hint by now, we'll spell it out for you: there is no place, and no need for a RAID-0 array on a desktop computer. The real world performance increases are negligible at best and the reduction in reliability, thanks to a halving of the mean time between failure, makes RAID-0 far from worth it on the desktop.

Bottom line: RAID-0 arrays will win you just about any benchmark, but they'll deliver virtually nothing more than that for real world desktop performance. That's just the cold hard truth."


http://www.techwarelabs.com/articles/hardware/raid-and-gaming/index_6.shtml
".....we did not see an increase in FPS through its use. Load times for levels and games was significantly reduced utilizing the Raid controller and array. As we stated we do not expect that the majority of gamers are willing to purchase greater than 4 drives and a controller for this kind of setup. While onboard Raid is an option available to many users you should be aware that using onboard Raid will mean the consumption of CPU time for this task and thus a reduction in performance that may actually lead to worse FPS. An add-on controller will always be the best option until they integrate discreet Raid controllers with their own memory into consumer level motherboards."

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1001325
"However, many have tried to justify/overlook those shortcomings by simply saying "It's faster." Anyone who does this is wrong, wasting their money, and buying into hype. Nothing more."

http://jeff-sue.suite101.com/how-raid-storage-improves-performance-a101975
"The real-world performance benefits possible in a single-user PC situation is not a given for most people, because the benefits rely on multiple independent, simultaneous requests. One person running most desktop applications may not see a big payback in performance because they are not written to do asynchronous I/O to disks. Understanding this can help avoid disappointment."

http://www.scs-myung.com/v2/index. [...] om_content
"What about performance? This, we suspect, is the primary reason why so many users doggedly pursue the RAID 0 "holy grail." This inevitably leads to dissapointment by those that notice little or no performance gain.....As stated above, first person shooters rarely benefit from RAID 0.__ Frame rates will almost certainly not improve, as they are determined by your video card and processor above all else. In fact, theoretically your FPS frame rate may decrease, since many low-cost RAID controllers (anything made by Highpoint at the tiem of this writing, and most cards from Promise) implement RAID in software, so the process of splitting and combining data across your drives is done by your CPU, which could better be utilized by your game. That said, the CPU overhead of RAID0 is minimal on high-performance processors."

Even the HD manufacturers limit RAID's advantages to very specific applications and non of them involves gaming:

http://westerndigital.com/en/products/raid/http://westerndigital.com/en/products/raid/
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5. BTW, other than for that test box, we have not installed a HD in over 7 years. None of those we installed (gotta be 50+) has failed. I have replaced two older SSDs, well 3 as a warranty replacement also failed, but they were when SSDs were relatively new and didn't have the life span of current drives.

Yes, you can post benchmarks all day long and i will agree that there is a HUGE speed difference in benchmarks.... but what those benchmarks simulate are things that are not performed often every day ... I just don't have the need to move 500 GB of files very day ... yes I have 2 TB of backups, but after the 1st one, the rest only take seconds since they are incremental. When I decide that work day is over and it's now "play time", I start the game load, walk away to gran a bio or a snack and all ready when I sit down again. My son does the same thing and who cares if game loads in 23 versus 21 seconds while he's logging in to discord, putting his headphones on and opening his browser to display game related web pages that he uses for a resource ?

We recommend an SSD paired with an SSHD in every build .... if budget restrictions result in say dropping GFX card down a tier, starting with the SSHD and adding the SSD later is the recommended option. We put a backup OS install on the SSHD anyway. Given your system specs, if you sticking with just 8 GB of RAM, and budget is an issue, I'd:

a) Use the 500 GB SSD for OS and fav games.
b) Use the 128 GB for pagefile , temp files and maybe even a RAM drive
c) Use a 2 TB SSHD Firecuda 7200 rpm

In gaming, the older Seagate SSD was 50% faster than the WD Blacks in gaming, far greater than anything you will see w/ RAID 0 on the desktop in gaming ... THG Hard Drive charts not loading today but here's the link

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/
 
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