really? have you ever tried one? I have owned a Wolf King, a N52te, and a G13. stick with the g13 as the stick is in a more ergonomic place - but I loved my n52te. it totally changes long-session gaming. it is comfortable, fast, and programmable. what's not to like? as far as shooters- YEAH! I can't even use a regular keyboard and be competitive anymore. the layout just throws me off and even the best "gaming keyboard" is simply not comfortable. ergonomics are where it is at. exactly i am using a g13, this mouse, and a g110. a few macros on the 110 for chat stuff, like sorry and thank you. everything else on the g13. the only thing about this mouse is you can't reprogram the fine aim, dpi switch, or profile switch buttons. I emailed and they responded a future update will allow the profile switch button, but never fine aim or dpi switch. even so, 4 programmable buttons and second wheel are enough customization for my mouse hand they are also REALLY useful for things like photoshop and illustrator. a thumbstick and easy macro keys at hand are a blessing. WASD as Cut Copy paste delete for example, fly through my work. also, anything that is boring and repetitive. a lot of time in coding applications for work i have to go through and rename hundreds of variables to a standard convention, removing automatic formatting by Adobe - this makes 10 minutes of work equal hours of repetitive copy paste deleting. and the scripting for logitech macros is very flexible.