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Razer Orochi V2

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With the Orochi V2, Razer presents a mouse focused on mobility without compromising on performance: It has PixArt's PAW3369 capable of 18,000 CPI, second-generation Razer mechanical switches, and up to 425 hours of battery life in 2.4 GHz and up to 950 hours in Bluetooth mode, along with the ability to use any AA or AAA-battery.

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So this is the second Razor product with an MSRP that shocked me today. I know they consider themselves to be a premium brand but their prices are even over the top for Apple. A non-rechargeable wireless mouse for $70, the re-chargeable magic mouse is $79. Pure insanity, if I was in-charge there, the person or persons responsible for setting MSRP would all be fired.
 

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Roccat reminds me of Logitech during MX510+.
 

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So this is the second Razor product with an MSRP that shocked me today. I know they consider themselves to be a premium brand but their prices are even over the top for Apple. A non-rechargeable wireless mouse for $70, the re-chargeable magic mouse is $79. Pure insanity, if I was in-charge there, the person or persons responsible for setting MSRP would all be fired.

There is one big advantage of still using AA/AAA removable batteries though: You can change the battery.

It adds weight for sure but it would definitely last longer than 2+ years without having to worry about the battery losing its maximum-rated capacity. That's why I like mice like the G305 and the Rival 3 Wireless (although I hate that it doesn't follow proper BT standards).
 
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There is one big advantage of still using AA/AAA removable batteries though: You can change the battery.

It adds weight for sure but it would definitely last longer than 2+ years without having to worry about the battery losing its maximum-rated capacity. That's why I like mice like the G305 and the Rival 3 Wireless (although I hate that it doesn't follow proper BT standards).
I agree with that but that doesn't mean it is okay to way overcharge for it. On top of that using alkaline or disposable lithium batteries for something like a mouse is incredibly wasteful. Sometimes you can get around that with NiMH batteries but not every mouse/device likes to run on 1.2Volts. I really liked the Logitech G7 sort of replaceable re-chargeable battery concept. Those were great for a few years.
 

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I agree with that but that doesn't mean it is okay to way overcharge for it. On top of that using alkaline or disposable lithium batteries for something like a mouse is incredibly wasteful. Sometimes you can get around that with NiMH batteries but not every mouse/device likes to run on 1.2Volts. I really liked the Logitech G7 sort of replaceable re-chargeable battery concept. Those were great for a few years.
Definitely. I do agree the Orochi is a bit over the top. At $49 I'd get this.
 
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So this is the second Razor product with an MSRP that shocked me today. I know they consider themselves to be a premium brand but their prices are even over the top for Apple. A non-rechargeable wireless mouse for $70, the re-chargeable magic mouse is $79. Pure insanity, if I was in-charge there, the person or persons responsible for setting MSRP would all be fired.
I can't remember exactly how much my G602 was in 2013, but I bet it was closer to $70.. While I'm still using it to this day with fresh batteries every 5-6 months, in my opinion $79 for wireless mouse that does not have rechargeable battery is insane even in 2021.
 
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Roccat reminds me of Logitech during MX510+.
Dude it's Razer, personally I would recommend a Logitech g7 over this as it's actually reasonabley priced and excellent.
 
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So this is the second Razor product with an MSRP that shocked me today. I know they consider themselves to be a premium brand but their prices are even over the top for Apple. A non-rechargeable wireless mouse for $70, the re-chargeable magic mouse is $79. Pure insanity, if I was in-charge there, the person or persons responsible for setting MSRP would all be fired.
Rechargeable AA batteries exist.
 
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Yeah, I mentioned that in another post, but they should be included at that price.
But this is Razer. They could sell just an empty mouse shell for 100 USD. They are Apple of peripherals. And to be honest, expensive mouses are shit anyway. The only marketable stuff that can actually matter is polling rate, buttons, DPI options up to 3000, DPI memory on mouse itself, optical sensor (instead of laser). That's all. You can buy mouses with tons more DPI, adjustable weight, reconfigurable shape and other gamer shiz, but they are unproved to do anything. And well, I have few problems using Logitech M90 office mouse for gaming. Even the best gaming mouse offers only very little for gamer, cheap mouses are good enough and have been for ages. As long as I can get 1500 dpi, nothing else really sells me a gaming mouse. Even worse are gaming keyboards, those do literally nothing for gaming itself, their benefit even for typing is dubious. I own a mechanical keyboard and I type slower with it than with desktop scissor switch keyboard. N key rollover is nice and mechanical switches are nice, but they have zero effect in gaming. There's no difference in gaming between over 300 USD mechanical gamer shiz and 9 USD office keyboard. My take is that value and computer peripheral companies don't mix together well and thus there is this Orochi V2, great specs, but near zero real value and awful shape.
 
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But this is Razer. They could sell just an empty mouse shell for 100 USD. They are Apple of peripherals. And to be honest, expensive mouses are shit anyway. The only marketable stuff that can actually matter is polling rate, buttons, DPI options up to 3000, DPI memory on mouse itself, optical sensor (instead of laser). That's all. You can buy mouses with tons more DPI, adjustable weight, reconfigurable shape and other gamer shiz, but they are unproved to do anything. And well, I have few problems using Logitech M90 office mouse for gaming. Even the best gaming mouse offers only very little for gamer, cheap mouses are good enough and have been for ages. As long as I can get 1500 dpi, nothing else really sells me a gaming mouse. Even worse are gaming keyboards, those do literally nothing for gaming itself, their benefit even for typing is dubious. I own a mechanical keyboard and I type slower with it than with desktop scissor switch keyboard. N key rollover is nice and mechanical switches are nice, but they have zero effect in gaming. There's no difference in gaming between over 300 USD mechanical gamer shiz and 9 USD office keyboard. My take is that value and computer peripheral companies don't mix together well and thus there is this Orochi V2, great specs, but near zero real value and awful shape.
You're making my point! Razer is a rip off, nuff said...
 
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You're making my point! Razer is a rip off, nuff said...
Yes, but just like pretty much every other gaming peripheral brand. SteelSeries, Corsair, Logitech, Asus, Glorious PC Gaming Race (that's actually a brand :D), Roccat, Zowie and etc are in this for making profit margin and likely a huge profit margin. I wouldn't really exclude Razer, it's just that they were the OGs of overcharging for no good reason.

And then there is something like Cooler Master CM110. RGB, adjustable DPI in 5 steps, 1000 Hz polling rate, optical sensor (PixArt PWM3050) for just 22 EUR (26 USD). It's essentially SS Rival 3 clone, slightly worse (DPI adjustment steps), but at steal prices. That's really all what gamer needs, some might need more (more granular DPI adjustment and programmable DPI button) and there's similar, but better SS Rival 3 for them, which retails at 32 EUR or 40 USD. You can only dislike it, if you don't like its shape. Otherwise, those two mouses are awesome at their budgets and still have acceptable value for gamers. Beyond those two, it's near impossible to justify anything more expensive.
 
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Yes, but just like pretty much every other gaming peripheral brand. SteelSeries, Corsair, Logitech, Asus, Glorious PC Gaming Race (that's actually a brand :D), Roccat, Zowie and etc are in this for making profit margin and likely a huge profit margin. I wouldn't really exclude Razer, it's just that they were the OGs of overcharging for no good reason.

And then there is something like Cooler Master CM110. RGB, adjustable DPI in 5 steps, 1000 Hz polling rate, optical sensor (PixArt PWM3050) for just 22 EUR (26 USD). It's essentially SS Rival 3 clone, slightly worse (DPI adjustment steps), but at steal prices. That's really all what gamer needs, some might need more (more granular DPI adjustment and programmable DPI button) and there's similar, but better SS Rival 3 for them, which retails at 32 EUR or 40 USD. You can only dislike it, if you don't like its shape. Otherwise, those two mouses are awesome at their budgets and still have acceptable value for gamers. Beyond those two, it's near impossible to justify anything more expensive.
Until recently, I exclusively bought Logitech. They want a video now to honor their warranty so I switched to a cheaper brand, Redragon. First, I bought a K512RGB keyboard for my work PC. It is great so far, it's not mechanical but it has media/volume controls and backlighting. More recently, I got the M808 Storm Pro wireless mouse. It is wireless, has built-in battery, has a bunch of DPI settings and RGB which I will almost never use. Sure, they don't quite feel like the same quality level as a premium brand but if they break in year or two; I won't be upset if they don't honor their warranty.

I shouldn't say exclusively. Almost exclusively, I do own a Corsair Mechanical Keyboard. It's amazingly well-built and looks great. I don't like the layout, it is insanely loud and it feels hollow when you type.
 
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Until recently, I exclusively bought Logitech. They want a video now to honor their warranty so I switched to a cheaper brand, Redragon. First, I bought a K512RGB keyboard for my work PC. It is great so far, it's not mechanical but it has media/volume controls and backlighting.
It doesn't matter if it's mechanical or not. It's just a preference. I think that N key roll-over matters, layout matters, build quality matters, button shape matters and obviously price. If it's RGB, then software matters too, but I would avoid RGB crap like plague. I personally find that rubber dome switches can be really good. It's a bit bullshit that they don't last as long, if 8 years or more are too little, then yeah they don't last very long, but to me that' totally decent lifespan. In terms of typing feel, they are essentially a standard and most popular switches, they offer no surprises and they just work. Mechanical switches are hit or miss. Most of them imo are unbearable trash. Anything tactile mechanical has an awful loudness. Anything non linear is hard to get used to. It just feels that after click key can sink further and honestly, if you play games, you have to react fast and you will bottom them out and they will feel bad to use. Linear switches are fine, they feel like analog switches (yes, they exist) and are quite nice to use, but they have long travel distance and that will make them slower to type with. Quick switches also known as lower force switches are likely trash too, because normal switches can already feel quite light to press and making them lighter just feels like you are pressing nothing and your keyboard is broken. Perhaps that feels better with non linear switches, but I'm really skeptical about that. In the end, most of mechanical switches just introduce more annoying problems, while given questionable benefits and due to that, I think that rubber dome switches are just better. After all there were reasons why rubber domes became de facto standard switches and not mechanical ones. Buckling spring switches are seemingly a better choice than rubber domes, they last longer, feel more solid and they have satisfying clickyness, but like non linear mechanicals, they are loud. And they are more or less discontinued. Scissor switches are really decent and probably the only switches that can improve your typing speed and to some extent performance in games. Due to lower profile and nice clickyness, they are essentially fast rubber domes. They are truly rubber domes, but better with no disadvantage, they are also the quietest switches around. The only problem is their price and poor availability in keyboards. Topre switches are some odd experiment to blend rubber dome and mechanical switches into one. I have no idea why they were even developed, but some people say that they are very good for typing. I obviously really doubt that as they are very overpriced and seemingly very overcomplicated opposed to just plain scissor switches. I suspect that they are just worse version of scissor switches, knowing that most mechanical switches suck.


More recently, I got the M808 Storm Pro wireless mouse. It is wireless, has built-in battery, has a bunch of DPI settings and RGB which I will almost never use. Sure, they don't quite feel like the same quality level as a premium brand but if they break in year or two; I won't be upset if they don't honor their warranty.
Well, that's your decision. I think that if you pay that much for mouse, it has no excuse to feel bad. My own SteelSeries Rival 100 feels like it is built like a tank and I have no doubts that it will last at least decade. If you spent that much on no name brand, you should have saved 5 more dollars and got SS Rival 3 or something similar, it will pay off by not feeling poo and if you are buying it for decade or more, you won't feel bad about spending 5 dollars more. And I don't think that having some proprietary built in battery is good either, once it degrades, your whole mouse will become e-waste with no option to replace that battery. AA rechargeables have been there for ages and are always better than proprietary trash.

I shouldn't say exclusively. Almost exclusively, I do own a Corsair Mechanical Keyboard. It's amazingly well-built and looks great. I don't like the layout, it is insanely loud and it feels hollow when you type.
That's a shame. Some really cheap rubber dome keyboards are better than Corsair.
 
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