RealTemp General Discussion

[Jadawin]

Thanks, good idea, but a bit too big for my liking. But funnily enough, with this version I managed to get the systray temps in the right order, never could do that with the older (official) one.

 

[unclewebb]

I managed to get the systray temps in the right order...

Don't reboot or change anything! Sometimes you get lucky so best to leave them alone.
I haven't changed anything recently, at least not that I can remember.

 

[Jadawin]

I rarely reboot

 

[Mussels]

Since I'm not a gadget fan I decided to create MiniMode instead. Just double left click on RealTemp and you get this:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3586/minimode.png

It's easy to drag it to any part of the screen you like, easy to minimize back to the System Tray and with a double right mouse click you can make it jump to where ever on the screen you like. Just hold down the Shift key when you double right click the mouse to set a new Anchor position.

More useful than a gadget. Even Core Temp has introduced a MiniMode in his latest beta.
You can also drag the edge of MiniMode if you need to have a look in there to see what's going on with the Min/Max etc.

Here's RealTemp3.20 RC4 if anyone needs it:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/3/1794507/RealTempBeta.zip

make an ultra mini mode, which only shows that bottom row of numbers!

 

[a_ump]

what's wrong with just having the numbers in your tray when it's minimized or exited?

 

[Mussels]

what's wrong with just having the numbers in your tray when it's minimized or exited?

they're no longer in order in win 7.

 

[unclewebb]

I checked out Everest and Core Temp today and same thing. Their system tray icons are not in any particular order in Windows 7 either. At least I don't feel so bad now. I think someone assumed at Microsoft that software would only put one icon per program in the system tray so there was no need to keep it ordered. It's broken and I've got a feeling that it will be a long time before MS gets around to fixing this, if ever.

 

[a_ump]

dam, well tomorro i'm going to get to work on backing up all my data and whatnot to install windows 7 RC as it will last till june 1st 2010, and then won't act strange until march 1st 2010 . a yr for the release candidate is quite a while i thk. Well i guess i'll be enjoying the lil mini view instead of 4 tray icons.

Now you've done an awesome job with realtemp but could you fix the tray issue for realtemp? or is it all on microsoft? and i haven't tried this mini mode but did you make it so it stays visible at all time when at the desktop, such as when a browser, ms paint, or other desktop app is open?

 

[Jadawin]

I checked out Everest and Core Temp today and same thing. Their system tray icons are not in any particular order in Windows 7 either. At least I don't feel so bad now. I think someone assumed at Microsoft that software would only put one icon per program in the system tray so there was no need to keep it ordered. It's broken and I've got a feeling that it will be a long time before MS gets around to fixing this, if ever.

I have rebooted 4 times now, just to test it, and every single time I was able to arrange the Real Temp temps without any problems, using your 3.20 Beta. Can't be coincidence. I use a different color for each core for easy sorting, though

 

[unclewebb]

I think it's just a coincidence but I found after coloring the icons that it seemed easier to keep them in order.

I'm going to wait until Windows 7 is finalized before worrying too much about the icon issue. Given that other programs have the same issues, I don't think there's anything that can be done about this unless Microsoft does something about it. Remember to click on the Send Feedback button and ask MS why RealTemp works fine in Vista and XP but not in Windows 7. Also mention Everest and Core Temp and any other program that needs to put multiple icons in the System Tray.

a_ump: RealTemp has always had an option to stay on top of other Windows if you need that. MiniMode is the same.

 

[Mussels]

Vista RC1 doesnt have the feedback button... they removed it, relying on automated reports now.

 

[Hawkwind]

Help: Stuck sensor(s) and very hi idle temps for i7 920

Calibration test 16min's after boot up with Calibration settings (CPU Multiplyier =12 VCore=1.1 in BIOS (CPU-Z reports as 1.08 which should show even lower temps) Also see Sensor tests screen shots at stock settings (some flux could be from Air Conditioning)

See screen shots. Amb temp as measured using Fluke 179 True w/ 80BK probe 3" from front of chassis (location of chassis intake fans) was 21.7-22.0C about the 3min mark into test then 23.2C after 16min. AC to room off for entire 16min test (was causing flux in temps, cause vent is close to front of chassis) after 16min inside chassis temp close to CPU HSF on the side of the northbridge and GPU card was 25.7C. So, why is idle temps of the cores 53-54c ? Could the stock HSF not be seated properly? (no additional thermal compound used, just what was already on HSF)

- Asus P6T Delux V2 Board ver: 1.02G BIOS upgraded from 0302 to 0502 (no OC, all auto settings except for required calibration test settings)
- Intel Core i7 920 Retail S-Spec SLBCH (C0 not D0) stock HSF
- Corsair Domminator 6GB 3x2GB DDR3 kit TR3X6G1600C8D G (still default 1066, not using XMP yet)
- Qty 4 WD Caviar Black 500GB WD5001AALS SATA 32MB RAID10
- BFG GeForce GTX 275 BFGEGTX275896OCE (still at its factory settings)
- SAMSUNG DVD SH-S222A/BEBE & 3.5" diskette drives
- PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 860
- Chassis large PCPC "Steel Tower" 10-bay server type tower 24"H w/o casters 22"D 7.5"W with 164mm clearance from top of CPU without HSF to inside of chassis
- New front bottom intake fans: qty 2 CoolMaster 80mm SAF-B83-E1 Ball Bearing w/ 3-pin flow control (Not using Q-Fan or other fan ctrl yet)
- Qty 2 PCPC TurboCool 80mm fans for top rear exhaust

I assumed better cooling from the i7's stock HSF but I could buy a CoolMaster V8 or Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 but they are expensive.

 

[burebista]

Holy s**t man! Check your push-pins something is awful wrong there.

 

[Hawkwind]

Holy s**t man! Check your push-pins something is awful wrong there.

I assume you're talking about the HSF's mounting pins and if yes, they are fully down. I'm still thinking its the HSF not making proper contact with proc. The HSF's bracket/mount does rock a little but just enough to barely notice movement, so I thought it was just it's spring pins. Maybe that slight rocking movement (when I tested to see if it was in all the way) spread the Intel compound too thin and left a space. Intel's docs state that even with 38c amb its stock HSF is designed to keep 920 under its 100c threshold. So what's up?

Should I start over with new compound? If yes, what is the best way to remove Intel's compound and use Arctic Silver or something instead?

OR, could I have a faulty processor?

 

[unclewebb]

It sure looks like the HSF is not making proper contact. At only 25.8% load, core1 and core3 are already starting to thermal throttle which will slow down all 4 cores of your CPU.

The Intel OEM cooler is not adequate if you intend to overclock but at your settings, it should be performing a lot better than that.

I'd think about pulling the motherboard and having a look on the backside to make sure those 4 push pins are all seated. The heatsink needs to be snug for proper heat transfer. If it's not then you're going to have to do something to snug it up.

The Intel thermal paste that comes on their coolers may not be the best stuff in the world but it's not that bad either. If you pull the cooler off then you will have to clean it off and replace it with some after market paste. I just use rubbing alcohol to clean the CPU and the HSF.

It's possible the heat spreader (IHS) on top of the CPU is not square or not making proper contact with the cores but that doesn't happen very often. Check the HSF first.

 

[Linky]

I don't know if this already has been reported, and atm i havn't installed my gfx drivers so i cba scrolling around on the pages

well, i found a bug at the logging section.

If you open the log file with notepad or something while it's active, the logging disables and it stops logging until i disable/enable logging in settings and clicks apply again.
I don't know how you coded it, but speedfan and such programs doesn't screw up, when you open it's log files, while they are logging.

I don't know if it's because you don't close the ostream, but i guess you quickly will repair this little issue

EDIT: or what... It doesn't seem to happen now lol. Maybe it was just buggy at the start. Wierd.

 

[unclewebb]

If you open up the log file in a separate application while logging is enabled in RealTemp, there's no way for it to continue to write to the log file. It should cache any new data while you have the log file open so it shouldn't be a problem for you to have a quick look in the log file.

As soon as you close Notepad, it should have a chance to get caught up. I think by default, RealTemp only writes log data to the hard drive once per minute so it's not constantly thrashing your hard drive. This can also be changed with an INI file option if you need to. One man's bug is another man's feature.

 

[Linky]

yea allright

By default it logs every fifth second

 

[unclewebb]

In the INI file there is also another option that controls logging:

HDWrite=60

This controls how often data is written to your hard drive. The default is once every 60 seconds. If you want your data to be written every second that it is generated then just change this value to 1. I don't like programs constantly writing to my hard drive so I included this option for users.

 

[Linky]

In the INI file there is also another option that controls logging:

HDWrite=60

This controls how often data is written to your hard drive. The default is once every 60 seconds. If you want your data to be written every second that it is generated then just change this value to 1. I don't like programs constantly writing to my hard drive so I included this option for users.

Oh nice, thanks! That was why i didn't see the new temps i guess

 

[Mussels]

thats rather handy, i gave you a thanks for that feature. you're so considerate - i'm sure SSD owners love you.

 

[alex_z0ne]

hello guys !


I need some readings :


Normal (2.5) : (with q fan Optimal)



And 3.0 Ghz : (no Q-fan )





my pc spec:


Asus p5kc
Intel q9300
Artic Freezer 7 pro
Artic Silver 5


Its normal its ok to keep it up at 3.0 ghz?



One more thing when the CPU cool down test begins i hear some strange noises from the cpu dont know how to explain them like a power shortage.

 

[unclewebb]

alex_z0ne: There's nothing wrong with 3 GHz or your core temperatures. Of course if it was my CPU, I'd be pushing it a lot harder than that.

Some motherboards have capacitors and other goodies that snap, crackle and pop at full load. That's probably what you're hearing. Nothing to worry about.

 

[alex_z0ne]

so its a safe OC?

WEll i will try to keep it at 3.0 ghz for a while


About the Q-fan. Its safe to set it at Optimal Level? When it reaches 60-62 C it starts to spin fast so in my opinion i guess its safe.

 

[unclewebb]

By design, most Intel CPUs start to thermal throttle or slow down when they hit about 97C. If a CPU was going to blow up at this temperature then obviously Intel would lower the thermal throttling point to well below 97C to prevent this.

The thermal shut down point isn't until approximately 125C. Intel obviously has a lot of confidence in the durability of their products. You should too.