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I've always heard 30.
Depends on the product. We make and import small electronics (non-PC related) from China and our tariffs are going up from 3.9 to 13.9 on 1-1-19.
 

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The only pre built i ever owned was a pentium75 olivetti envision, it looked like a hifi seperate and got repossessed due to a payment dispute.
Taught me one thing, they are built to a price and without later upgrades in mind at all.
Me built all the way since then.
My first was a Slot 1 Celeron 333 in a Mid/Baby AT case from a Local PC shop in Houston back in 98
 
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My first was a Slot 1 Celeron 333 in a Mid/Baby AT case from a Local PC shop in Houston back in 98
Nice ,you posh git:p i could only dream of such power , think I was rocking a cyrix 286 homebuilt tatty thing with if i recall at that time.
 
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The Orange man is a business man and tells it how it is
This need not be political. Thats all I was saying. However comments like this assure it most certainly will be... please keep them away.
 
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This need not be political.
Well technically it's already political by mentioning tariffs in the first post - you can't ignore the politics here they're going to come up and that's how it is.
 
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I remember a decade ago, Cyberpower PC had lower prices than Newegg on the same hobbyist parts and you got the machine prebuilt. I serviced a friend's cyberpower machine and they did a good job building it.

I don't think its ever been the greatest deal to build yourself. For the average person, you can buy Dell outlet machines for a huge discount on building it yourself. If they play games, just throw in a midrange graphics card.
 
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tell that to the clintons & obama

i think it is important to keep a realistic head when dealing with what might happen, or what will happen. right now, on newegg.com, a GTX2070 is $499. thats about 3 times less than when miners killed enthusiast PC culture for those of us without the massive budget to continue our hobby, so if it goes up another 20%, im cool with that, since i build a PC once every few years. If it gets too expensive to build one more often, id say to those bothered, "lets be glad were only talking about a hobby price hike, and not a "feeding our families" price hike". first world problems
 
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It still makes perfect financial sense, given that OEM's and Boutique's overprice their items by around 10% give or take compared to building it yourself. Besides making just financial sense, the customization options are literally endless
 

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Nice ,you posh git:p i could only dream of such power , think I was rocking a cyrix 286 homebuilt tatty thing with if i recall at that time.

I Believe cyrix might of had a Superior part at that point too

This need not be political. Thats all I was saying. However comments like this assure it most certainly will be... please keep them away.
Tell that to the others then not just 1.
 
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Tell that to the others then not just 1.
It applies to everyone, obviously. I was only replying to him because he quoted me directly.
 
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I think the topic is interesting. And ironical in a way too.

Financially interesting to DIY PCs it was not really ever, though, was it? DIY PCs were never really cheaper than a store bought OEM box. I remember my parents buying one at the local supermarket one time, cheapest they could find for what it offered.

At the same time, from an enthusiast point of view, DIY PCs are definitely not financially interesting (let's keep mining out of this for now), its a waste of power, effort and money. We piss away money on overpriced components all the time. Look at the RGB craze. Look at the premium brands that consumer space has so many of in DIY parts.

I think the real motivation to DIY something has never changed and will not change in the future. You DIY because you believe it provides a greater sense of control and higher quality.
 
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There were three major reasons why the "Build Your Own" culture developed:

1. You had more control of parts selection
2. You wound up knowing more about and could add an aesthetic flair to your build
3. It was cheaper

Well make that 2 reasons.... with tariffs looming here in US, heres' what we are facing

A. Dell has a box built overseas at below living wage labor rates, imports it here .... a) they pay no tariff charge and b) their tax rate was just cut from 39.6 to 20%.

B. Mom and Pop shop builds to your specs, buys the parts individually and pays a 30 (or 35) % tariff on them ... far more than their typical 15% labor cost. Their tax rates are much higher % wise.

C. I buy the parts including the 30% tariff and build it myself. Despite my time investment, it's cheaper now to buy a Dell.

So how exactly is this tariff helping anyone here at home ? It basically insures that all assembly labor will be done overseas.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/280356-if-youre-planning-to-build-a-pc-youd-best-build-soon
For small office boxes for basic content, pre built has been cheaper then hand assembled for a LONG time. $300 complete boxes have been available for years now, building your own with similar specs always led to a box that cost a bit more AND was much larger physically, often with a cheap, bad looking case to top it off. Tariffs have nothing to do with those suddenly being cheaper then homemade PCs, they have been cheaper for the last 5-6 years at least. You just cant compete with chinese slave labor

(and lets be honest here, if you want a box for basic content, a used office desktop off of EBAY can be had for a fraction of new computer's costs. You can get an optiplex 7020 with a core i5 and 8GB of RAM for $150, practically brand new. Paying for a brand new content box is just silly).

That leaves high performance boxes. And honestly, are you really going to sit here and try to convince me that dell's alienware PCs are going to be somehow cheaper then a home assembled model? :roll:No way, go look at alienware's prices, or any pre built high end machine. Insane prices compared to home built.
 
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I used to buy off the shelf from Evesham Micros many years ago because I was running a business and didn't have time to build them. But once I started upgrading components like memory and gfx, I got the bug and was smitten.
For me, it's not the cost but the flexibility. Besides, it's criminal the crap that big stores throw at unsuspecting non tech savvy customers, many of which come in for repair and it's often complete rubbish.
 
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No way, go look at alienware's prices, or any pre built high end machine. Insane prices compared to home built.
Your looking at the wrong brands (Alienware has been cost effective since never). You can easily find OEMs that will knock the socks off any home built build from a price/performance standpoint. And it's been that way for a bit, really. We do this (or at least I do) for the customization, control, and learning.
 
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Your looking at the wrong brands (Alienware has been cost effective since never). You can easily find OEMs that will knock the socks off any home built build from a price/performance standpoint. And it's been that way for a bit, really. We do this (or at least I do) for the customization, control, and learning.
I do a lot of part new ,part old builds for people, to get them exactly what they want and need but to save money.
I tend to have more bits than i need and pass them out at good prices for example i bought 3 Rx580s to mine on as it ended, wasted money but three mates who actually gsme got less than half price bargains, that were in near new nick.
 

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I Believe cyrix might of had a Superior part at that point too



Tell that to the others then not just 1.
He started the Orang man BS, then brings that up, i have no issue with talking politics. but as you said everyone cannot deal with it their for cannot be talked about even though it is part of what's going on here with silly name calling which i am sure if you called it to his face he would just simply wave to them :eek:).

Anyways done with this one sided crap.
 
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I thought tariff on China imports is only 10% until Jan 1 2019? Then it becomes 25%. How did you get 30%?
It was 30% ... then after complaints was dropped to 10% till after holidays ... then it goes back to 30% with some sources reporting 35% ... That's why I said "with tariffs **looming** here in US, heres' what we are facing [soon] " We already are being hit with the 10%

Sounds like a rant against tariffs more than anything else. Assembly labor was being done overseas long before any tariffs. I'd still build my own due to points 1 & 2 and system builder markups are typically much higher than the temporary 10% tariff.
If you want to call it a rant, be my guest if ya makes ya feel better. But if you want to be accurate and stay within the stated focus of the post, it's solely about the reverse logic as it relates to the application of tariffs on this industry and this community. While the tariff stategy as a whole is questionable, that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is about "why tariifs are being applied to PC parts and not entire PC's ?"

1. What effect will a tariff on parts have ? Logically a tariff is supposed to have the effect of encouraging the consumer to by an alternative made product. How does that tariiff do that ? Please go to PCpartpicker and make us a list off 100% made in USA products so we can all do the right thing.

2. How does making entire PCs exempt from a tariiff serve to promote "Buy American" ? If anything, it's going to promote buying ONLY from companies that do NOT make anything here.

The tariff as applied here does the exact opposite of what tariffs are intended to do.

1. It's not creating American jobs, it's eliminating them
2. It's taking purchasing power out of the hands of consumers resulting in them buying less.


Over the last month i saw +20% (over then 10%), then + 25% then + 15% ...

building your own still makes financial sense... even if you buy a dell, you're getting a super crappy motherboard, no OC potential, bad PSU that cant support upgrades, and a case that looks like it belongs in a school library.
Dell, especially in laptops, will make some perty hi end stuff ... not what you find at Best Buy but the intent here was to address any major box builder... let's face it most PCs sold wind up in offices and and I don't see how exempting them from tariffs fits the role of tariifs.
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Same here,

political smear this topic is...
And yet, your only response is to attack the messenger ... only because the facts are unassailable. I'll give ya another shot .... care to address the facts this time ? If it 's smear, you should be easily able to refute it with a logical factual response.


1. I have orders for 6 new builds after people get their tax refunds. I want to support the American economy so can you list the companies I can buy the MoBos, SSDs, SSHDs and GFX cards from ?

2. Can you explain why exempting full built PC's should be excemp from the tariffs ? How many jobs will this create ?


Its never been cheaper to DIY. Not unless your buying used. Large companies buy in bulk and use cheap parts. A small PC business cannot complete with the big outlets like Dell and HP. They have to do better work using premium parts and customs builds
I'm directing the question to the forum audience here .... which for the most part bulds their own PCs... but there is also Cyberpower and all the other US businesses who will be crushed by this. How does Cyberpower and all the other custom builders compete when they and they alone are subject to a 25% penalty ? What happens to all the people they employ.


The guy from Long Island complaining about component prices?? My 8700k is more valuable than a month of rent for this studio that I live in.
I live out in farm country in a 200 year old dairy bar, I'm semi-retired, no mortgage and drive a 13 year old car and co-signed on $180k of college debt. Why shouldn't having to spend 30% extra be a concern for me ?

This need not be political. Thats all I was saying. However comments like this assure it most certainly will be... please keep them away.
Agreed. The concept of tariffs as a whole was never brought up. The duality and reverse logic of selectively applying tariffs to only parts was. Tariffs have a specific function. If you want to accomplish that intended function, then:

1. Don't lay the tariffs on the products that will kill the American tech industry and reduce jobs; want to create more jobs then Cyberpower gets no tariffs since the build products here... just like the auto industry does.

2. Lay the tariffs on companies that are using 100% Chinese labor instead of American Labor

3. Putting a tariff on products that are available only from one source serves no purpose. What's the game pan here... Keep increasing the tariff until US companies build fab plants here ? What do we do in the interim ?

What can we do about it ? There's no defense here, as we have already seen there is not one economic argument that makes sense other than Dell, HP and company have some linked in lobbyists. But if this starts to be talked about by the mainstream media, I see both sides of the aisle questioning the logic here. Reverse the applicability here, (tariff on assembled PCs / no tariff on parts) and everything makes sense again.

I think the topic is interesting. And ironical in a way too.

Financially interesting to DIY PCs it was not really ever, though, was it? DIY PCs were never really cheaper than a store bought OEM box. I remember my parents buying one at the local supermarket one time, cheapest they could find for what it offered.
It is if we talking apples and apples ...same parts list, to the letter

1. I build myself
2. I give local store the parts list and they build it for me for $125
3. I buy from Computrade, CyberpowerPC or any other company that build PCs here in the states.
 
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He started the Orang man BS, then brings that up, i have no issue with talking politics. but as you said everyone cannot deal with it their for cannot be talked about even though it is part of what's going on here with silly name calling which i am sure if you called it to his face he would just simply wave to them :eek:).

Anyways done with this one sided crap.
Agreed,

Better to be a free thinker than a communist where the gov tells when to blink and breathe, then they tax you for the air.
 

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Agreed,

Better to be a free thinker than a communist where the gov tells when to blink and breathe, then they tax you for the air.
You're basically calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a communist... Just take a moment and think about that.

As far as I can see these tariffs won't benefit you, and it won't hurt China either since only the buyer gets stung.. I'm glad you're so happy about paying more, just because your leader wants a 'trade war'. Thing is until you guys can mass produce electronics, you HAVE to buy parts from China. Putting a tariff in place when you don't have an in-house alternative is just ridiculous imo.
 
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edit: Damn! Checked the prices if I'd build a similar loop, it would be over 400eur. :eek:
 
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You're basically calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a communist... Just take a moment and think about that.

As far as I can see these tariffs won't benefit you, and it won't hurt China either since only the buyer gets stung.. I'm glad you're so happy about paying more, just because your leader wants a 'trade war'. Thing is until you guys can mass produce electronics, you HAVE to buy parts from China. Putting a tariff in place when you don't have an in-house alternative is just ridiculous imo.
I didn't call anyone a communist I just set it out right.
 
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He started the Orang man BS
No, I actually said it was possible to talk about it without being political. The exact statement you claim "started it" is.

Whether or not the orange man did it or not and regardless of the reasons, it hurts us all in the wallet and that is fact.
If you have issue with that you have an issue with the facts and not the politics.

PS: The current "Orange man bad" meme is generally used to mock liberals, not the other way around. I was specifically trying not to offend by not referencing anyone by namev and saying politics could be avoided, but it seems that simply isn't going to happen here.

Agreed,

Better to be a free thinker than a communist where the gov tells when to blink and breathe, then they tax you for the air.
Time for me to pull out my favorite chart. Sad to have to use it here, I usually reserve it for reddit. Let's see which logical violation you have commited today:

Looks like "Either/or" today, (with a possible side of straw man?):

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I didn't call anyone a communist I just set it out right.
I'm not a communist. Begging the claim, above.

Can we return to the non-political discussion that was almost succesfully happening here before everyone got all off-track again?

Your looking at the wrong brands (Alienware has been cost effective since never). You can easily find OEMs that will knock the socks off any home built build from a price/performance standpoint. And it's been that way for a bit, really. We do this (or at least I do) for the customization, control, and learning.
 
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Well technically it's already political by mentioning tariffs in the first post - you can't ignore the politics here they're going to come up and that's how it is.
It’s actually completely possible to talk about tarrifs without being political. They are a fact of life and history. They’ve been around in most leading nations back over a thousand years. One can make all comments fact based without personal opinion.
 

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