Reports of Ryzen 3000 High Idle Voltage Exaggerated, a Case of the "Observer Effect"

TheGuruStud · Jul 12, 2019

Eskimonster said:
I dont know, just the first time i hear of such issues.

B/c there isn't one except in the case of iCue.

ZoneDymo · Jul 12, 2019

Frick said:
Ah yes, Big CPU bought monitoring software devs ages ago. A stripclub was blown up a few weeks ago, but up to that point it wasn't blown up. It's all connected man.

What you just said makes no sense at all, I never said anything was connected.
I just remembered how software that was meant to just measure something, influenced the results and now its happening here with the cpu.

Its a simple comparison/bit if recent history of similar concept and you seem to get all worked up over not getting it.

Slizzo · Jul 12, 2019

TheGuruStud said:
I have C6Hs and they're fine until you enable PBO. So....

C6H isn't a C8H is it?

TheGuruStud · Jul 12, 2019

Slizzo said:
C6H isn't a C8H is it?

i.e. it's not universal or anywhere close to it. Asus is incompetent, what else is new? Yet, the V works fine. I don't buy them anymore, b/c of said incompetence, but these were cheap refurbs (it's so bad that their rgb control app hard freezes the PC).

Why is this even news? AMD needs to fix ryzen master to show values better, so dumb dumbs can shut up.

danbert2000 · Jul 12, 2019

It's interesting to me that Intel has had no problem with this but AMD does. Different solutions to the same boosting question I guess. Is Intel doing more work to determine the type of load vs AMD? I have always found the Ryzen Balanced to be odd coming from Intel processors. It doesn't seem to sleep all that much and has these kinds of problems, where speed is usually more important than sleeping the processor. Probably why Ryzen laptop chips still have a way to go before they are as performant and power efficient as the blue chips.

R-T-B · Jul 12, 2019

Octopuss said:
What cat?

Schrodingers Cat. It is a phenomena/thought experiment (I would hope never attempted, but probably) described here:

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Frick said:
Ah yes, Big CPU bought monitoring software devs ages ago. A stripclub was blown up a few weeks ago, but up to that point it wasn't blown up. It's all connected man.

Frick, he made something we call a joke, AKA a funny. Maybe it doesn't translate well but that was the intent.

lexluthermiester · Jul 12, 2019

Slizzo said:
What do they have to say about this:

Looks like their partners making motherboards aren't helping them at all (ASUS in this particular case commanding WAYYYY too much voltage, stock.)

While the problem Jay talks about is a voltage problem, it is not directly related to the problem discussed in this article. However, if default voltages are out of whack like the ones shown in that video, they will directly affect idle voltages.

R-T-B said:
Schrodingers Cat. It is a phenomena/thought experiment (I would hope never attempted, but probably) described here:

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ah, the quantum kitty theory.

Basard · Jul 13, 2019

Slizzo said:
What do they have to say about this:

This was the only think I heard about the issue--the Jayz video. I was wondering what this article was all about.... Apparently it's only about iCUE software, according to some posters.

ypsylon · Jul 13, 2019

Observer Effect, give me a break. I like the bits of quantum physics, but it's bloody difficult to not observe high voltage without looking at the voltage meter(s).

Voltage is not exactly neutrino or stray electron with unpredictable spin.

Ryzen 3000 series, nothing to shout about it. Was excited for a day, not anymore.

Octopuss · Jul 13, 2019

R-T-B said:
Schrodingers Cat. It is a phenomena/thought experiment (I would hope never attempted, but probably) described here:

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Oh I remember this.
I understand nothing of that. Nothing.

Patriot · Jul 13, 2019

ypsylon said:
Observer Effect, give me a break. I like the bits of quantum physics, but it's bloody difficult to not observe high voltage without looking at the voltage meter(s).

Voltage is not exactly neutrino or stray electron with unpredictable spin.

Ryzen 3000 series, nothing to shout about it. Was excited for a day, not anymore.

It's about polling rate and which registers to read and how.
Same goes with reading Intel turbos... can't actually read it directly without changing it.

shyet · Jul 13, 2019

"AMD highly recommends Ryzen 3000 users to use the latest version of Chipset drivers, and enable the Ryzen Balanced power-plan "

I installed the latest chipset drivers and the Ryzen power plan wasn't an option during installation, and I do not see in my Windows power plan options. I did see the option on previous drivers and in my power plan options.

Am I missing something? I am using an older x1600 and C6H x370, could this be the reason?

lexluthermiester · Jul 13, 2019

shyet said:
I am using an older x1600 and C6H x370, could this be the reason?

Yes.

advanced3 · Jul 14, 2019

TheGuruStud said:
B/c there isn't one except in the case of iCue.

God, ICue is the worst piece of crap software ever created. 90% of the time it doesn't even detect my keyboard, its enough of a POS that I am getting rid of using a Corsair keyboard all together.

BorgOvermind · Jul 15, 2019

Crackong said:
Where is the cat ?

There it is. Now you see it...but you don't.

Ontopic: why the pick on idle voltage anyway ? It does not mean much if the CPU is really IDLE.

INSTG8R · Jul 15, 2019

Slizzo said:
What do they have to say about this:

Looks like their partners making motherboards aren't helping them at all (ASUS in this particular case commanding WAYYYY too much voltage, stock.)

Sounds like typical ASUS to me. I’ve run negative offsets on my last 2 ASUS boards to keep they heavy handed approach in check. When I say a negative offset I mean the absolute minimum(0.005) it literally changed ASUSs 1.41 to a reasonable 1.35V for my old Sandy and same on my current Haswell it’s 1.35 to 1.26 with just a minimal offset.

Slizzo · Jul 16, 2019

INSTG8R said:
Sounds like typical ASUS to me. I’ve run negative offsets on my last 2 ASUS boards to keep they heavy handed approach in check. When I say a negative offset I mean the absolute minimum(0.005) it literally changed ASUSs 1.41 to a reasonable 1.35V for my old Sandy and same on my current Haswell it’s 1.35 to 1.26 with just a minimal offset.

Yeah, I too swore off ASUS after my Sandy build. My X99 was MSI and current X299 is Asrock. Very happy with the Asrock board, the MSI board was "meh", but that was probably due to it being one of the lower available models in the stack.

Xzibit · Jul 17, 2019

INSTG8R said:
Sounds like typical ASUS to me. I’ve run negative offsets on my last 2 ASUS boards to keep they heavy handed approach in check. When I say a negative offset I mean the absolute minimum(0.005) it literally changed ASUSs 1.41 to a reasonable 1.35V for my old Sandy and same on my current Haswell it’s 1.35 to 1.26 with just a minimal offset.

I run a negative offset of -0.150 on my Asus

zorandesign · Apr 23, 2020

Monitoring tools (for me - Core Temp ) affect performance up to 5%. It is consistent impact tested dozens of times in Cinebench.

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Reports of Ryzen 3000 High Idle Voltage Exaggerated, a Case of the "Observer Effect"

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