results of my new GTX1070 FE, is it normal?

[qubit]

From that, and all reviews:

Cheers e, but what I meant was what optimizations does W1z do to the core Windows installation to maximize performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he uninstalls a whole load of unneeded stuff from there etc.

@W1zzard please enlighten us!

 

[RodoGodo19]

I generally go with a 1:1 fan curve these days, most cards that's far more aggressive than stock as I generally value lower temps over noise.

Considering in one of your screenshots it was 79 degrees and ~50% fan if you ran 1:1 I don't see it ever really going over 75 deg.

look at my fan curve now, what do you think about it, is it good enough?

 

[RodoGodo19]

Ok, @RGT I've just checked the screen shots of your game with the performance results below from TPU's review of your card and you know what? They're bang on. You're getting the performance that you've paid for. As you can see, the 1080 performs significantly faster. Not surprising since it costs a lot more. Are you ok with your card now? You'll just have to get a 1080 again if you want better performance.

When comparing, remember that results on a different system will always be different to yours, especially depending on things like CPU model and clock speed, plus Windows version and driver version and finally, game settings.

Also, you can be sure that TPU's benchmarking computer will be pretty well optimized for performance (for the most accurate results) by doing things like removing unneeded processes etc so it could well run faster than yours which is unlikely to be so optimized. The TPU PC has a 6700K running at 4.5GHz. Do you?

@W1zzard Would you care to describe the kind of optimizations that you do with the benchmark rig?

This link takes you to the review page showing the graph below and you can access the rest of the review from there if you want.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/7.html

I have my processor at stock speeds, the thing is that they said that the games was maxed out and he is getting 71.2 FPS, I'm not getting that, even not close.

@op: just overclock the card as far as it goes, or until your ears are at the edge of exploding because of that shity fail edition cooler/fan. That way at least you get some more performance.

Doing an overclock I will just gain 4-5 FPS with a hotter and noisy GPU.

Cheers e, but what I meant was what optimizations does W1z do to the core Windows installation to maximize performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he uninstalls a whole load of unneeded stuff from there etc.

@W1zzard please enlighten us!

I have a clean windows installation and newest drivers.

Note: What about if I sell this GTX1070 and buy a GTX1070 Hybrid? for $30 more?.
To be honest, I don't want to spend money in a GTX1080 to gain tons of FPS that my monitor can not handle.
But, with a GTX1070 Hybrid, at least I will have the Turbo Boost all the time on.

What do you think?.

Due to I have a Mini ITX case and the PSU close to the GPU, I can not have an ACX GPU, the hot air coming from the PSU will go up to the GPU directly.

 

[qubit]

I have my processor at stock speeds, the thing is that they said that the games was maxed out and he is getting 71.2 FPS, I'm not getting that, even not close.

Your screenshots show 46fps and 65fps which sounds about right.

Remember, your CPU is clocked slower than the TPU test rig's 4.5GHz and that will definitely make a difference. Plus, the TPU graphs show averages, so as GPU frame rates vary by a very large amount from moment to moment, it's likely that the test GPU was doing as low as 20-30fps at some points and as high as 200fps or more at others. Given that, is why I say that your card is performing normally.

I know that's not very satisfying, but it's even less satisfying to go on a wild goose chase trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[ASOT]

Set fan more agresive,u need to keep the gpu @65 C max

 

[wolf]

look at my fan curve now, what do you think about it, is it good enough?

Looks quite aggressive whats your max temps now?

 

[RodoGodo19]

Set fan more agresive,u need to keep the gpu @65 C max

more than that?.
Give me a settings, I don't know how to make it better.

 

[RodoGodo19]

Your screenshots show 46fps and 65fps which sounds about right.

Remember, your CPU is clocked slower than the TPU test rig's 4.5GHz and that will definitely make a difference. Plus, the TPU graphs show averages, so as GPU frame rates vary by a very large amount from moment to moment, it's likely that the test GPU was doing as low as 20-30fps at some points and as high as 200fps or more at others. Given that, is why I say that your card is performing normally.

I know that's not very satisfying, but it's even less satisfying to go on a wild goose chase trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Set fan more agresive,u need to keep the gpu @65 C max

Looks quite aggressive whats your max temps now?

GPU 71 C max now.
Look at the photos attached.
Can not get 60 FPS yet, I think I need to turn off a few more settings.

 

[wolf]

70-75 deg is more than reasonable from my perspective, I see the area to avoid as 80+, not only for card life/excessive heat around the card/in the case etc but it keeps you away from throttling the core speed, at least thermal throttling.

 

[ASOT]

Is better now,i usualy use 40 C/20,70 C/50,90 C/80 fans on my 2 pc's

U need it stay @Max load temp 70 C for safe and no throttling

 

[wolar]

at 30$ more for the hybrid i think its worth it , but i wouldn't get a hybrid i would just get an aftermarket one (msi,asus,gigabyte ... whatev).
Although if you can't get an aftermarket one for 30$ more then get the hybrid, also do not expect to run each and every game maxed out,
some games have settings that are crazy Gpu intensive without that much of a difference , at least not in my eyes.

 

[newtekie1]

I have my processor at stock speeds, the thing is that they said that the games was maxed out and he is getting 71.2 FPS, I'm not getting that, even not close.

I'm pretty sure the processor makes a very big difference in AC:S. So that right there will explain the difference between what you are getting and what W1z does in the reviews.

Cheers e, but what I meant was what optimizations does W1z do to the core Windows installation to maximize performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he uninstalls a whole load of unneeded stuff from there etc.

@W1zzard please enlighten us!

I doubt he does a whole lot, as there really isn't a lot you can do to a stock Windows installation that will drastically improve FPS in games.

 

[slozomby]

is the 4000mhz video ram reading on those screenshots incorrect? memory clock on my 1060 and 1080 are both more than double that.

 

[newtekie1]

is the 4000mhz video ram reading on those screenshots incorrect? memory clock on my 1060 and 1080 are both more than double that.

Nah, that's correct. Memory clocks are weird, and somewhat confusing. The base clock is actually 2000MHz. But Afterburner assumed DDR, so it doubled the base clock and displays 4000MHz. However, GDDR5 is actually QDR, so the actual effective clock speed is 8000MHz.

 

[RodoGodo19]

at 30$ more for the hybrid i think its worth it , but i wouldn't get a hybrid i would just get an aftermarket one (msi,asus,gigabyte ... whatev).
Although if you can't get an aftermarket one for 30$ more then get the hybrid, also do not expect to run each and every game maxed out,
some games have settings that are crazy Gpu intensive without that much of a difference , at least not in my eyes.

I'm pretty sure the processor makes a very big difference in AC:S. So that right there will explain the difference between what you are getting and what W1z does in the reviews.



I doubt he does a whole lot, as there really isn't a lot you can do to a stock Windows installation that will drastically improve FPS in games.

is the 4000mhz video ram reading on those screenshots incorrect? memory clock on my 1060 and 1080 are both more than double that.

Why when I'm playing games, the CPU is just at 48% 60% of use?, why the game don't use the CPU entirely?.

 

[Vayra86]

The more I read in this thread, the more I tend to think OP is trolling, but then my little angel on the other shoulder gives him benefit of the doubt. But seriously OP, maybe you should start getting into basic info on how a PC works before you start asking literally every basic thing that happens when gaming. The things you ask are so basic, it's literally all over the internet. Google works wonders.

Just some essential points about PC gaming then, that will probably make you a lot wiser.

- Every PC has a bottleneck. A bottleneck is something that shows you have reached a performance (FPS) limit for your system. In your case, this is the GPU in most games you will be playing.
- Your CPU showing 48% - 60% usage, is an indication of a bottleneck on your GPU. The GPU is doing all it can do (99% usage), and the CPU does whatever needs to be done to 'feed' your GPU. Whenever ONE part of your PC has 99-100% usage, that is your bottleneck. It will also mean that the only way to increase performance further, is to make that part faster, or get a better part. In this scenario that is an upgrade to a stronger GPU, like the 1080.

- Performance levels (and in-game FPS) differs per game, per quality settings, but even within one game FPS can fluctuate wildly. You may see 90 fps in outdoors and once you get inside and a lot of lighting effects are added to the image, you will be seeing much lower FPS, even to 30-40 fps or even lower. This depends NOT on the GPU, but on the game in question. Therefore: you can NEVER say that 'this GPU needs to give me 60 fps at all times' because no single GPU will ever accomplish that. Every combination of game+PC and every different part of the game, every different game engine, will show a different performance.

- Because of the above, what you want to do when purchasing a GPU is consider your 'minimum acceptable FPS' and 'minimum acceptable quality setting'. Get that into your head, and buy a GPU that ticks the boxes. Also be realistic about image settings and the actual perceived quality - most 'ultra' settings do almost nothing above the 'high' setting, but they do give you a crapload of performance.

So if a game ducks below 60 fps, tone it down abit. Tweaking like that will also get you a lot of information about how graphics cards behave, it's valuable experience for future purchases.

Last but not least, I'll repeat this again, NEVER buy Nvidia reference cooling. It's shit, and your card is underperforming or louder than it needs to be because of that.

 

[qubit]

@RGT Why are you still going on about this and looking for a fix? I've explained to you how framerates vary wildly from moment to moment and that you're getting the performance that you've paid for - I've even given you the graphs to prove it. You've had posts from others explaining that it's ok too, yet you're still trying to "fix" it and still going on about this or that causing a "problem". Just give it a rest.

We now have @Vayra86 giving you a very nice explanation of how framerates work too. The fact that your GPU is showing more usage than your CPU is telling you that you're getting the full performance out of your GPU. It's obviously not as fast as a 1080, because it's cheaper, simple as that. Either accept it or get a 1080 or Titan X, or another 1070 for SLI. Nothing else is gonna significantly improve the performance of your hardware.

Whenever ONE part of your PC has 99-100% usage, that is your bottleneck. It will also mean that the only way to increase performance further, is to make that part faster

Yes indeed. If there was no bottleneck, then the framerate would be infinite.

 

[newtekie1]

Why when I'm playing games, the CPU is just at 48% 60% of use?, why the game don't use the CPU entirely?.

Because the game isn't using all the cores or threads on your CPU. Seeing 40-60% is actually really good for a 8-thread processor like your 6700K, that means its using at least 4 threads. Most games only use one, so your CPU would only be hitting ~12% use with those.

 

[RodoGodo19]

70-75 deg is more than reasonable from my perspective, I see the area to avoid as 80+, not only for card life/excessive heat around the card/in the case etc but it keeps you away from throttling the core speed, at least thermal throttling.

Is better now,i usualy use 40 C/20,70 C/50,90 C/80 fans on my 2 pc's

U need it stay @Max load temp 70 C for safe and no throttling

at 30$ more for the hybrid i think its worth it , but i wouldn't get a hybrid i would just get an aftermarket one (msi,asus,gigabyte ... whatev).
Although if you can't get an aftermarket one for 30$ more then get the hybrid, also do not expect to run each and every game maxed out,
some games have settings that are crazy Gpu intensive without that much of a difference , at least not in my eyes.

The more I read in this thread, the more I tend to think OP is trolling, but then my little angel on the other shoulder gives him benefit of the doubt. But seriously OP, maybe you should start getting into basic info on how a PC works before you start asking literally every basic thing that happens when gaming. The things you ask are so basic, it's literally all over the internet. Google works wonders.

Just some essential points about PC gaming then, that will probably make you a lot wiser.

- Every PC has a bottleneck. A bottleneck is something that shows you have reached a performance (FPS) limit for your system. In your case, this is the GPU in most games you will be playing.
- Your CPU showing 48% - 60% usage, is an indication of a bottleneck on your GPU. The GPU is doing all it can do (99% usage), and the CPU does whatever needs to be done to 'feed' your GPU. Whenever ONE part of your PC has 99-100% usage, that is your bottleneck. It will also mean that the only way to increase performance further, is to make that part faster, or get a better part. In this scenario that is an upgrade to a stronger GPU, like the 1080.

- Performance levels (and in-game FPS) differs per game, per quality settings, but even within one game FPS can fluctuate wildly. You may see 90 fps in outdoors and once you get inside and a lot of lighting effects are added to the image, you will be seeing much lower FPS, even to 30-40 fps or even lower. This depends NOT on the GPU, but on the game in question. Therefore: you can NEVER say that 'this GPU needs to give me 60 fps at all times' because no single GPU will ever accomplish that. Every combination of game+PC and every different part of the game, every different game engine, will show a different performance.

- Because of the above, what you want to do when purchasing a GPU is consider your 'minimum acceptable FPS' and 'minimum acceptable quality setting'. Get that into your head, and buy a GPU that ticks the boxes. Also be realistic about image settings and the actual perceived quality - most 'ultra' settings do almost nothing above the 'high' setting, but they do give you a crapload of performance.

So if a game ducks below 60 fps, tone it down abit. Tweaking like that will also get you a lot of information about how graphics cards behave, it's valuable experience for future purchases.

Last but not least, I'll repeat this again, NEVER buy Nvidia reference cooling. It's shit, and your card is underperforming or louder than it needs to be because of that.

@RGT Why are you still going on about this and looking for a fix? I've explained to you how framerates vary wildly from moment to moment and that you're getting the performance that you've paid for - I've even given you the graphs to prove it. You've had posts from others explaining that it's ok too, yet you're still trying to "fix" it and still going on about this or that causing a "problem". Just give it a rest.

We now have @Vayra86 giving you a very nice explanation of how framerates work too. The fact that your GPU is showing more usage than your CPU is telling you that you're getting the full performance out of your GPU. It's obviously not as fast as a 1080, because it's cheaper, simple as that. Either accept it or get a 1080 or Titan X, or another 1070 for SLI. Nothing else is gonna significantly improve the performance of your hardware.


Yes indeed. If there was no bottleneck, then the framerate would be infinite.

Because the game isn't using all the cores or threads on your CPU. Seeing 40-60% is actually really good for a 8-thread processor like your 6700K, that means its using at least 4 threads. Most games only use one, so your CPU would only be hitting ~12% use with those.

Thanks guys for all your help.
I will return the FE on Monday.
I have bought the FTW right now.

I hope to get better results as you said to me.
Thanks.

 

[qubit]

Nice one RGT. It'll perform better at stock and also overclock well. Let us know how you get on with it.

 

[Vayra86]

Well played!

 

[Recon-UK]

Your performance looks very good, what i would do is drop your expectations a tad and start enjoying your games with maybe SSAO instead of HBAO, high shadows instead of uber duper 8K shadows.
You will be surprised by how little these maxed out settings make a visual difference and how big the performance delta is for not enabling them.

 

[qubit]

You will be surprised by how little these maxed out settings make a visual difference and how big the performance delta is for not enabling them.

Yeah, the law of diminishing returns really kicks in here.

 

[RodoGodo19]

True, thanks guys for your help.
Well, I have received my FTW 1070, I'm happy with it.
I think this topic can be close.

 

[qubit]

Nice one, glad to have helped.