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Retailers are Buying AMD RX Vega 64 at $675 Each

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Fake news? Looks like a single disgruntled retailer or reseller to me :rolleyes:
I don't know. It just doesn't feel right. What i am saying is this. If i was a retailer, and the distributor would tell me "you know mate, Vega 64 is 675$ per unit", i wouldn't buy them! It's pointless. Wouldn't you agree?
If a retailer buys them for 675$, the selling price including profit would be too high to be competitive.
 
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AMD can eat $hit and mad angry gamers need to stop blaming miners for the Vega problems, all mad angry gamers need to blame AMD
 

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I still haven't seen store prices on Vega 56.
 
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AMD can eat $hit and mad angry gamers need to stop blaming miners for the Vega problems, all mad angry gamers need to blame AMD
So we should blame NVIDIA for high pricing on 1070's cards for example? I guess so since it costs way more than it was several months ago.
 
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update: still no news of 56 & 64 coming on my end... highly doubt the shops here are gonna sell the 64. If they did, it's gonna be well over MYR4k a pop after conversion, shipping tax, customs tax & including 6% tax.
 
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wasn´t there a info from a big german retailer stopping with polaris sales because they couldn´t get reliable shippingdates, further they told that the cards where sold before even shipped to europe.

If that is true for Vega, too, than the first Members of the supply-chain directly after AMD and the AIB make sh**loads of money right now. Simultaniously drying out every part of the chain after them.

If AMD doesn´t stop that, then they will be out off the PC-Gaming-Business in a few month, resulting in every penny invested in Game-Developers, Vulkan, drivers, console to PC portability, etc. will be worth nothing if they give up market share like this.
Maybe in a few years we will tell newbies:
"Well the monopoly of nvidia in the PC-Gaming wasn´t alway there, until 2018 there was also the now cryptomining-company AMD building Gaming-Cards, too, but they lost focus to that somewhere around 2015 and disapeared from pc-gaming."
 
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HBM still too expensive, I wonder how much will be the price for Volta with HBM.. ?
 
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AMD, and in particular RTG, is under pressure to deliver something to shareholders. So they don't care who buys their cards - miners, Hollywood, gamers, or Satan - and at what price, as long as their cards are being bought.

In the long run, of course, this might mean we see AMD disappear from desktop graphics to focus on the far-more-profitable professional market, a la Matrox.
 

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HBM still too expensive, I wonder how much will be the price for Volta with HBM.. ?
As much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I don't think there will be a consumer-segment Volta card with HBM2, only expensive Tesla or Quadro. NVIDIA will pull through using GDDR5X or GDDR6 for GeForce.
 
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Lots of hate directed at AMD here.

I got my Vega 64 for 507€, so those of you bitching about the price, why don't you find a respectable retailer ?
Or even complain to your retailer ?

AMD isn't going to die anythime soon.

Putting the blame on AMD, is like putting the blame on BMW or Mercedes for crappy drivers....

Shame for putting this "News" out there on the front page, when there is no confirmation of diddly squat.
This should have stayed in the forums.

edit : Check this summary about the pricing : https://seekingalpha.com/article/4101362-amd-vega-pricing-scandal
 
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AMD, and in particular RTG, is under pressure to deliver something to shareholders. So they don't care who buys their cards - miners, Hollywood, gamers, or Satan - and at what price, as long as their cards are being bought.

In the long run, of course, this might mean we see AMD disappear from desktop graphics to focus on the far-more-profitable professional market, a la Matrox.
Matrox pulled out because they had no comparable GPU's.
It was costing them too much in R&D, and the Parhelia was a bit of a wrong step tech wise.
They never got back up from that.
Shame, I loved Matrox cards.
They use AMD Gpu's now iirc, as well as some of their own.....
 
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cry some more ... the cheapest Vega 64 is 676chf for me (close to the retailer buy price you mention and way cheaper than a 1080Ti for me, heck even a little cheaper than a 1080), unluckily no stock .... otherwise i would have sold my 1070 for 550 as i was offered for (by a friend who mine ETH :rolleyes:) and added the 126chf missing.

and the one in stock are rather between 999.80chf and1306chf (standard cooler and liquid edition respectively )

oh and 1 FE listed at 1632chf
 
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Why do we belive this in the first place? It can be as fake as pornstars' tits.
This is ONE suspicious invoice that has no currency on it, just numbers, yet the title says multiple retailers buy RX VEGA 64 for 675 USD.

This invoice contains no information about that it is 675USD. It can be 675 salty techpowerup comments.
It say the price is taxable, yet the are no spearate columns for net and gross price, that must be indicated on an invoice.

I just dont understand how can a tech-journalist team, that has pretty high reputation and expertise (yes im talking about you TechPowerUp) fall for such a cheap scam that this is.
 
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Why do we belive this in the first place? It can be as fake as pornstars' tits.
This is ONE suspicious invoice that has no currency on it, just numbers, yet the title says multiple retailers buy RX VEGA 64 for 675 USD.

This invoice contains no information about that it is 675USD. It can be 675 salty techpowerup comments.
It say the price is taxable, yet the are no spearate columns for net and gross price, that must be indicated on an invoice.

I just dont understand how can a tech-journalist team, that has pretty high reputation and expertise (yes im talking about you TechPowerUp) fall for such a cheap scam that this is.
bah .... the retail prices reflect on that "rumor" .... so .... why not, i.e.: a single Vega 64 is between +300 and +600 $/chf (well $ and chf are not far apart from each other) on retail price ....

for sure it's not 675 peanuts ... nor yen or won .... (dang at 675yen or won i would gladly take a bunch of them, if not the whole stock :laugh: and not for mining .... like on 101 of them 1 in the main rig and a wall of 100 box in my livingroom minus another opened to go to the shelf of my gpu collection tho ... )
 

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Why do we belive this in the first place? It can be as fake as pornstars' tits.
This is ONE suspicious invoice that has no currency on it, just numbers, yet the title says multiple retailers buy RX VEGA 64 for 675 USD.

This invoice contains no information about that it is 675USD. It can be 675 salty techpowerup comments.
It say the price is taxable, yet the are no spearate columns for net and gross price, that must be indicated on an invoice.

I just dont understand how can a tech-journalist team, that has pretty high reputation and expertise (yes im talking about you TechPowerUp) fall for such a cheap scam that this is.
Thanks for your appreciation of our hard work, and for the poor soul that might lose his job. I made things easier for you and banned your account, please don't come back to insult the intelligence of my staff.
 
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Ma Laboratories doesn't quite sound like a retailer to me or what have I missed?
 
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Thanks for your appreciation of our hard work, and for the poor soul that might lose his job. I made things easier for you and banned your account, please don't come back to insult my staff.
Considering the comments made in the article about what AMD could possibly do to mitigate this problem, "hard" work would have been getting a comment from AMD about pricing and what they can do about it, like a lot of other sites have managed to do in the last couple of days.

The poor soul who might lose his job, took it into his own hands when he leaked the invoice.

Its your site, and yes, you can do what you want with it, and its users.
I'd say swinging the banhammer is not an appropriate response, but you can do what you want with it.

edit : Whatever happened to Mods editing out what they consider insults in peoples posts ? I'd rather see a "Insults removed" and a PM, than a swing of the Banhammer.
 
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Why should AMD focus their efforts on making their GPUs unusable for miners? That wouldn't make any sense at all. As long as they sell their cards to whomsoever, they make their profit and investors are pleased. The more people are spending for their cards, the better for AMD and everyone in between AMD and the customer.

The real problem is that they just can't produce enough cards in total to satisfy demand. This is not a new problem to AMD and it is just beyond me why they won't do anything about it. One gets the impression that they did this short-supply thing on purpose for whatever reason they might have.

I mean if HBM is such a massive cost factor and limiting production volume big time, then why bother incorporating HBM on consumer products? It appears to have no apparent advantage when comparing their products to the ones from the competiton:
  • Higher bandwidth? -> Sadly not the case.
  • Lower power consumtion? -> Vega is using way more power for the same performance levels as the competition, so no again.
  • More compact board designs? -> Vega cards are as big as GPUs ever were, so again: no!
  • Lower latencies for memory access? -> Maybe, but apparently that doesn't reflect in better performance obviously.
All whats left is higher cost, lower production volume, angry customers and shady marketing tactics including dishonest communication about pricing.
 
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There are some very interesting undervolting tests going on at OCUK's forums at the moment (Vega owner's thread).

Results (stability to be determined) are showing massively less power draw and consistently keeping max boos clocks (1630MHz on AIO) for overall the same or better performance at much cooler temps with less power.

Wattman and the drivers still seem to be a rushed mess, so I would think things can only improve from here, if the pricing can be sorted.
 
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…The more people are spending for their cards, the better for AMD and everyone in between AMD and the customer.
The premium isn't spread across everyone, AMD gets the same share for one card sold for $500 and the same model sold for $1000 in another store. The question here is who takes the premium. Usually it's the stores, but it can also be the wholesalers or AIB partners. And of course AMD could also be lying, but I've not seen the evidence for that yet.
 
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