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[Reuters] Hewlett Packard Enterprise to buy supercomputer maker Cray in $1.30 billion deal

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I don't mean this... badly.... but I feel like HP shouldn't even be a company, let alone in a position to do anything like this. All their products I've owned have been very subpar.

But I guess, they sell well? They have to be making money somehow.
 
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I don't mean this... badly.... but I feel like HP shouldn't even be a company, let alone in a position to do anything like this. All their products I've owned have been very subpar.

But I guess, they sell well? They have to be making money somehow.
HP Enterprise is a different company compared to the consumer facing HP you know of. Don't be so quick to write off HP Enterprise.
 

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I know @remixedcat deals with cisco equip alot but if anyone that I know of maybe @Kursah also that has had to deal with HPE at any point for switch/router/card/machine FW drivers etc, it is terrible.
 
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HP Enterprise is a different company compared to the consumer facing HP you know of. Don't be so quick to write off HP Enterprise.

All I remember is them backing Itanium. Maybe their products are good but I mean they couldn't have made a lot of money there?

Also didn't they do PA-RISC or was that someone else?
 

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All I remember is them backing Itanium. Maybe their products are good but I mean they couldn't have made a lot of money there?

Also didn't they do PA-RISC or was that someone else?

I thinik they did make money but imo it was probably because they bought 3com
 
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All I remember is them backing Itanium.
They are great if you have programmers to code for it and a workload that benefits from IA-64. IA-64 lands in between x86 and GPUs. It's got craploads of parallel cores but they don't understand complex instructions. The programmer has to tell the architecture how to do most things.

If memory serves, Itanium was just recently discontinued. It has lived and continues to live in the shadows.


I wonder if HP is going to embrace Cray branding or kill it.
 
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If memory serves, Itanium was just recently discontinued.

I mean, you could still get support for OS/2 as far out as 2006. It wasn't even "withdrawn from marketing" until then technically. Doesn't mean it was making money.

It has lived and continues to live in the shadows.

Which is precisely why I don't picture it being a very profitable enterprise.

Something is giving them bucks though.

They are great if you have programmers to code for it and a workload that benefits from IA-64. IA-64 lands in between x86 and GPUs. It's got craploads of parallel cores but they don't understand complex instructions. The programmer has to tell the architecture how to do most things.

RISC in a nutshell, yep. But to me they had PA-RISC. What were they doing with Itanium?

To me, HP is kinda like EA: It's where good companies go get bought up and die.

Well, I hope I'm wrong anyways.
 
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All I remember is them backing Itanium. Maybe their products are good but I mean they couldn't have made a lot of money there?

Also didn't they do PA-RISC or was that someone else?

Itanium servers were used highly in various warehouses up here. I have serviced many of them and was surprised how many are still in service.

HP and Dell are the only servers I ever see these days. Same with HP switches next to Cisco. They aren't bad at all. Just very pricey.
 

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RISC in a nutshell, yep.
Wasn't RISC; was EPIC. Like I said, hybrid between VLIW GPUs use and x86 (CISC/RISC hybrid).

But to me they had PA-RISC. What were they doing with Itanium?
Had to do some research on this...

PA-RISC...was RISC...that HP went to great lengths to optimize. It was supported for two decades. PA-RISC being fundamentally RISC, couldn't do the work that EPIC/IA-64 does (instruction-level parallelism).


Why was EPIC/IA-64 created? To solve the problem of throughput being limited by clock cycles (impacted PA-RISC too). EPIC works by bundling instructions together and executes them simultaneously. If there's a condition in the instructions where a result is needed before it can proceed, a stop bit was added to the bundle. The problem with this approach is performance is horrible without software and compiler optimizations. This is where PA-RISC fed into EPIC: PA-RISC took a wholistic approach (hardware and software) to maximizing efficiency without parallelism (beyond speculative execution). EPIC is like many PA-RISC packed into one execution unit.
 
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This news is Cray-Cray. HP sucks and their stuff is cheapest of any of the mainstream brands, Always had a lot of problems with their stuff. At one point their driver page was blocked on Meraki firewalls. LOL.
 
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All their products I've owned have been very subpar.

But I guess, they sell well? They have to be making money somehow.
If you buy their entry level printing devices and personal computers, you get entry level quality and reliability. You move into their upper-tier stuff and you get upper-tier quality - but you do have to dig deep in your pockets to get there. To get your money's worth, you have to "invest" in their better quality lines. That said, I don't see that being any different with any of their competitors.

What surprised me most about this news is the $1.3 billion. I would have thought Cray was worth more than that. With HP coming in at #55 in this year's Fortune 500 companies, $1.3 billion is almost chump change. I just hope they don't do like Norton/Symantec, Apple and other companies who buy out their competition then terminate all their products. Instead, I hope HP takes the best from Cray and incorporates it into their own products to make them better yet.

Wait and see.
 

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Wasn't RISC; was EPIC. Like I said, hybrid between VLIW GPUs use and x86 (CISC/RISC hybrid).


Had to do some research on this...

PA-RISC...was RISC...that HP went to great lengths to optimize. It was supported for two decades. PA-RISC being fundamentally RISC, couldn't do the work that EPIC/IA-64 does (instruction-level parallelism).


Why was EPIC/IA-64 created? To solve the problem of throughput being limited by clock cycles (impacted PA-RISC too). EPIC works by bundling instructions together and executes them simultaneously. If there's a condition in the instructions where a result is needed before it can proceed, a stop bit was added to the bundle. The problem with this approach is performance is horrible without software and compiler optimizations. This is where PA-RISC fed into EPIC: PA-RISC took a wholistic approach (hardware and software) to maximizing efficiency without parallelism (beyond speculative execution). EPIC is like many PA-RISC packed into one execution unit.
I was completely unaware of the EPIC paradighm, thanks, reading time...

and yes as @Bill_Bright points out, my only familiariaty with them is second hand from consumers who bring their stuff to me, so, yeah. Market segment bias.
 
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