Review of Ryzen 2700X - X470

[Whitestar]

@WhitestarGo ahead, open your CPU box and forget about AMD.

Already did

 

[qubit]

Already did

Yeah, thought you had. Enjoy.

 

[TheGuruStud]

@Whitestar So, the reviews are out and the latest top end Ryzen is very good, but still isn't quite as fast as the 8700K in gaming. Go ahead, open your CPU box and forget about AMD.

Personally, when AMD makes a CPU that's faster than Intel's in gaming, only then will I consider going for it. This makes sense for me, as gaming is the only area where I need max performance from my PC.

Streamers with intel are crying, though LOL

 

[qubit]

Streamers with intel are crying, though LOL

Sorry, I don’t understand.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Sorry, I don’t understand.

Gamers Nexus did streaming tests. 8700K can't stream at decent quality. 10Mb is fine, though.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Sorry, I don’t understand.

Ryzen which is 5% slower at gaming in 1080p than Intel has 50% more cores per $ and so provides a better overall experience especially when you start to look at not just raw FPS but also productivity and streaming whilst gaming, would be my understanding anyway

 

[TheGuruStud]

LOL, intel fanboys are having a meltdown over on anandtech. They're throwing tantrums. These security patches sure are making things juicy (ram speed being the other offset)!

 

[NdMk2o1o]

LOL, intel fanboys are having a meltdown over on anandtech. They're throwing tantrums. These security patches sure are making things juicy (ram speed being the other offset)!

Seems many reviewers aren't taking into consideration the spectre patches and are comparing the latest Ryzen 2700x to unpatched Intel 8700k's

 

[trparky]

Seems many reviewers aren't taking into consideration the spectre patches and are comparing the latest Ryzen 2700x to unpatched Intel 8700k's

Is there any proof of that?

 

[R0H1T]

Is there any proof of that?

Only AT has mentioned all the BIOS+OS patches being applied to their system(s) while many others don't mention the same, should be easy to figure out if we see prior numbers & compare them to the latest scores.
Just to be clear I'm not saying there's anything wrong with other reviews, but the large discrepancy could be down to some of these patches.

 

[trparky]

Only AT has mentioned all the BIOS+OS patches being applied to their system(s) while many others don't mention the same, should be easy to figure out if we see prior numbers & compare them to the latest scores.
Just to be clear I'm not saying there's anything wrong with other reviews, but the large discrepancy could be down to some of these patches.

Why do I have a feeling that things could get messy? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy nutjob though. Intel has been known to be shady.

Edit
Wrong thing was on my clipboard of my phone when I initially posted this post, it has been edited with what I meant to say.

 

[W1zzard]

Only AT has mentioned all the BIOS+OS patches being applied to their system(s) while many others don't mention the same,

good that we mention it in 3 places

 

[R0H1T]

good that we mention it in 3 places

Yes it is but perhaps it'd be nice if you include the OS build number, like in my case it's Insider build 17133.73, now wrt AT they explicitly mentioned the spectre & meltdown patches (at the end) so there's that. If you look at MS & then win10 updates it's a giant mess, for instance ~

So while all of us appreciate the work you do, some extra info (wrt OS in the test bench) is always welcome, the same goes for other reviews who don't do that.

 

[qubit]

Gamers Nexus did streaming tests. 8700K can't stream at decent quality. 10Mb is fine, though.

My old 2700K can stream no problem, so why would an 8700K be unable to? Perhaps if you could link to it that would to get a handle on this.

Ryzen which is 5% slower at gaming in 1080p than Intel has 50% more cores per $ and so provides a better overall experience especially when you start to look at not just raw FPS but also productivity and streaming whilst gaming, would be my understanding anyway

Oh yes, as AMD gets more competitive, Intel’s displeasure grows. With gaming performance so close now, Ryzen could well be a better purchase, that’s why I was careful to specify for my specific use.

 

[ratirt]

I looked over the benchmarks for 2700X Ryzen and I must say I'm impressed. Honestly I don't see much difference between 8700k and 2700x in games for 1080p except 720p. 4 or 5 FPS difference average is like nothing. Of course there are 1080p res games (DOTA2) making 2700X lower in FPS than 8700K but with the FPS count over 170 does it really matter?
I'd like to see the minimum FPS count for the 2700X Oh and yet the 2700X hit 4.4Ghz according to https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_2700x_review,23.html
Pretty nice

 

[Whitestar]

Looking at the benchmarks it's hard to know how much that latest Spectre microcode thingy affects the 8700K performance. I wish all tech sites could just follow Anandtech's example and disclose all the relevant info in their tests. I mean, how hard can it be, right?
I know Techradar has it applied. And Steve from Techspot (Hardware Unboxed) said in comments that he has it applied.

Speaking of which: Anandtech apparently tested with everything stock, even the coolers. And with official memory from both manufacturers (2666MHz for Intel and 2933MHz for AMD). Also, they used a GTX 1080 for some reason.

 

[Vya Domus]

I really don't know why people give Anandtech so much shit , if anything they've always been extremely transparent about their testing.

 

[Whitestar]

Just found this comment. So that means at least 4 sites tested with the patches applied:
Anandtech
Techradar
GamersNexus
Hardware Unboxed

 

[ratirt]

Just found this comment. So that means at least 4 sites tested with the patches applied:
Anandtech
Techradar
GamersNexus
Hardware Unboxed


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So what does it mean? They are faking the results somehow? I thought that Anandtech is a genuine benchmarking site.

 

[Vya Domus]

They are faking the results somehow?

It means they used a different testing methodology which influences results in a way that it can't be easily accounted for. This happens all the time and it doesn't make the results any faker or truer , I hate it when reviewers call them "strange/fake" or "wrong" as if whatever is that they are doing must definitely be fault free.

 

[Whitestar]

It means they used a different testing methodology which influences results in a way that it can't be easily accounted for. This happens all the time and it doesn't make the results any faker or truer , I hate it when reviewers call them "strange/fake" or "wrong" as if whatever is that they are doing must definitely be fault free.

Completely agree. Steve could have left out that comment.
It would be interesting to see Anandtech test with higher mem speed, better cooler and a 1080 Ti though. Maybe that would skew the results more in Intel's favour.

 

[Vya Domus]

Steve could have left out that comment.

I noticed he is extremely defensive and vocal about his work and always assumes that everyone else that didn't get the same results as him is wrong.

 

[Whitestar]

I noticed he is extremely defensive and vocal about his work and always assumes that everyone else that didn't get the same results as him is wrong.

Yeah he doesn't like to be wrong, like the guy from Adored TV said. Still, he seems legit enough.
I like Steve Burke over at GamersNexus better, but his voice is really monotonous and makes me sleepy, lol.

I thought that Anandtech is a genuine benchmarking site.

They are. And have always been (IMO). Can't imagine they would EVER manipulate anything.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Reading the reviews I am very impressed with AMD.
I'm still glad I got an 8700k instead of upgrading my Ryzen system.
IMO AMD released exactly what they needed to release.
They actually have a high end desktop solution that is just as good as Intel's at stock speeds.

 

[ratirt]

Different testing methodology. Ok but why it must be wrong? Different doesn't mean wrong. Especially if people here agree that Anandtech is a genuine benchmarking site.
Anyway i'm pleased with the Ryzen 2700x The question is now. Do I really need to upgrade or leave it as it is for now.
AMD did good job in my opinion