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well my big box of bits has arrived yesterday.. i was kind of surprised how heavy the box was.. 6 x 1070 cards and couple of 850 PSUs plus motherboard and cpu weigh in at a fair bit.. he he..

i wont get the frame and some other small stuff for a couple of days so cant really put much together..

i have the mobo and one card running just to make sure those bits work and to let me install software.. i did a C drive clone from my normal gaming machine.. it surprised me by remaining activated.. two similar asus motherboards maybe..

i am about to install nicehash and set up a wallet.. any tips would be appreciated.. he he..

the noise and temp factors seem good.. the I3 kaby lake cpu runs silently at around 50 C with a small artic I11 cooler.. and the EVGA black edition 1070 runs near silent at about 60 C running furmark with a plus 500 mhz on the memory.. i left the core at stock and dropped the max power to 85%.. it seems stable at this..

trog

ps.. i am kind of stuck with this wallet business.. its complicated.. i dont want to transact with the stuff i just need somewhere to put it and leave it.. :)
 
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ps.. i am kind of stuck with this wallet business.. its complicated.. i dont want to transact with the stuff i just need somewhere to put it and leave it.. :)

As you're using Nicehash, you might just want to use the bitcoin core wallet (though it will take a while to sync initially)
https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Make an encrypted backup of your wallet.dat and think about keeping an offline copy too (on usb)

Also, make sure that you run a firewall and AV on whatever computer you are using for your wallet.
 
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you might just want to use the bitcoin core wallet (though it will take a while to sync initially)
https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Make an encrypted backup of your wallet.dat and think about keeping an offline copy too (on usb)

Also, make sure that you run a firewall and AV on whatever computer you are using for your wallet.

agreed, bitcoin core is the gold standard. https://bitcoin.org/en/download

you will need space for the blockchain, currently around 130 gigs. use a SSD if possible for the blockchain it will speed up initial syncing (core uses tons of I/O). probably take a day (or several) depending on your internet speed.

make sure you encrypt your wallet with a passphrase. and back up wallet.dat to several places.

the new version of the core wallet can use seed words when creating a new wallet to allow you to recreate the wallet, including all balances if it all goes into the weeds for whatever reason. make sure you copy them down and keep copies of that several secure places too. do not keep the list of seed works on any internet connected computer, as anyone who gets your seed words can empty your wallet, even if your computer is offline. i keep a copy of my seed words in a safe deposit box among other places.
 
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I used electrum prior to just swapping to coinbase. You don't need any space to store anything. It is all offsite accessed like any other banking app.
 
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am i wrong in assuming nicehash has its own wallet.. if so whats the pros and cons of using it..

coinbase refused to authenticate me.. i made the mistake of giving it my landline number.. it was all down hill from then on..

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agreed, bitcoin core is the gold standard. https://bitcoin.org/en/download

you will need space for the blockchain, currently around 130 gigs. use a SSD if possible for the blockchain it will speed up initial syncing (core uses tons of I/O). probably take a day (or several) depending on your internet speed.

make sure you encrypt your wallet with a passphrase. and back up wallet.dat to several places.

the new version of the core wallet can use seed words when creating a new wallet to allow you to recreate the wallet, including all balances if it all goes into the weeds for whatever reason. make sure you copy them down and keep copies of that several secure places too. do not keep the list of seed works on any internet connected computer, as anyone who gets your seed words can empty your wallet, even if your computer is offline. i keep a copy of my seed words in a safe deposit box among other places.

Damn, I totally forgot about storing the blockchain locally. Guess I'll try a third-party service until a get a larger SSD.
 
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Damn, I totally forgot about storing the blockchain locally. Guess I'll try a third-party service until a get a larger SSD.

there is an option in core to prune all but the last so many blocks (user configurable i believe). dont recall what the command line option is but it will prevent the need to store 80 or 90% of the blockchain. it still needs to download (to verify) them before discarding them. so SSD is still your best bet.

shoulda mentioned that, but forgot. i like to have the whole blockchain local for various reasons.
 
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Nicehash does have their own wallet, but all you can do with it is use the bitcoin you've mined to pay someone else to mine bitcoin for you. If you want to see any cash from your operation you'll need to use an exchange like Coinbase. Sucks that they didn't authorize you. I'm sure there are other services like it, but I don't know their names. If you're planning on just building up BTC and leaving it, it would probably be better to use another service, though.
 
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Nicehash does have their own wallet, but all you can do with it is use the bitcoin you've mined to pay someone else to mine bitcoin for you. If you want to see any cash from your operation you'll need to use an exchange like Coinbase. Sucks that they didn't authorize you. I'm sure there are other services like it, but I don't know their names. If you're planning on just building up BTC and leaving it, it would probably be better to use another service, though.


i have the nicehash wallet set up now.. what confused me was i never logged into the the dashboard soon enough.. as soon as i did and got the wallet address its all seemed obvious..

i dont want to turn anything into cash i simply want to mine the coin and let it accumulate and see where it goes over time.. the only downside i see with nicehash is it only pays you in bitcoin.. but that might not be a downside who konws.. i for sure dont..

using another email address and not being daft enough to put my landline phone in i recon i will be able to get coinbase going.. it f-cked up with the photo id.. i tried sending one with my mobile but it wanted the landline number i had put in.. then i tried to change my phone number and it went into security mode and refused to verify the web cam stuff it insisted i use.. he he..

dumb f-ck software that would not let me use the email that it had already verified to send it photo id the only option it gave me was a f-cking blurry web cam..

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About those wallet, i just wanted to tell everyone that quadrigacx is really a good option. At first i tried to use coinbase, and it worked, but i just could not cash on my earnings. I live in Canada and coinbase cannot be used to transfer to my bank account. With quadrigacx, i can buy/sell Bitcoins (obviously that's how i transform what nicehash gives me into cash), bitcoin cash and ethereum and transfer the money into my bank account, all from one screen. Really easy to use and quite a bit secure if you use all security options available. I receive the money within 24 hours to three weeks (that's not precise at all i know). So in short it does everything i need. I highly recommend it to any Canadian miner.

I could just store my Bitcoins here and wait, but the many times i red about a site just going down and taking everything with it scare me enough to just use the cash instead.
 
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At coinbase if you just do their Tier 1 verification all you need is your name and I believe a mobile number. No need for photo IDs or anything like that. I linked it to my bank account so all I have to do to cash out is send coin from my core wallet to my coinbase account, sell it and it automatically goes to my bank account. Tier one allows up to $2,000 withdraw per day.

I mine at nicehash and send payouts to my core wallet. I don't like leaving coin at an exchange, they are not wallets as you don't control your private keys. Although many folks do use exchanges as wallets, it's not recommended.
 
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i dont think cash (money in the bank) is a good thing to hold at the moment.. it can only go down in value and i dont trust the banks.. to be honest the only way i see as to making a mining profit is to hold the coin i mine long term and hope it goes up in value.. my tin foil hat machine tells me it will.. he he..

i have worked it out and recon it will maybe take a year to get my hardware and leccy costs back.. my only hope for profit will be if the coin i mine doubles in value.. converting it to fiat money in the bank seems a negative thing to be doing.. in short i am investing in bitcoin.. mining is just a hardware geeks way in.. :)

i have tried a test run on my gaming machine just to see.. its not looking that good it tells me my mining rig will generate $20 dollars per day or £140 dollars per week.. in UK pounds maybe five grand in a year.. my hardware costs are about £3200 and a years leccy will be at east £1250..

as i say its not looking that good unless the mined coin goes up in value.. he he

trog

ps.. i am gonna join notb here and say if a quick profit is your thing there are easier ways of heating your house.. :)
 
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Does anyone holding for the long term diversify any?

I'm not cashing out, as I don't make enough for it to be worth it really.

I am mining ZCash and exchanging part of it it for Ether (40%) Ripple (10%), SC & VTC (5%) and other (1%)

I'd be interested to hear of any other suggestions for diversifying. There are a large number of coins out there.
The big 3 seem to be BTC, ETH and XRP.
SiaCoin seems interesting as it has the potential to disrupt the cloud storage market, especially if industry get involved more.
Vertcoin was really cheap, so I figure buying a few units as a hail Mary wouldn't do any harm.

Has anyone else come across anything worthy of a few % investment for diversification?
 
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Does anyone holding for the long term diversify any?

I'm not cashing out, as I don't make enough for it to be worth it really.

I am mining ZCash and exchanging part of it it for Ether (40%) Ripple (10%), SC & VTC (5%) and other (1%)

I'd be interested to hear of any other suggestions for diversifying. There are a large number of coins out there.
The big 3 seem to be BTC, ETH and XRP.
SiaCoin seems interesting as it has the potential to disrupt the cloud storage market, especially if industry get involved more.
Vertcoin was really cheap, so I figure buying a few units as a hail Mary wouldn't do any harm.

Has anyone else come across anything worthy of a few % investment for diversification?
I would suggest Litecoin and monero as two more.
 
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SAFEX seems like a good buy atm,what you think of this asset?
 
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Time to get helpful then , you mentioned hedging to mine for what price i want , so advise me how would you mine to make the most return on investment ,i mine through a pool already and I've not heard of anywhere to mine or anything to mine where i pick the price i want to mine at.

No problem. :)

Most home miners use one of 2 most natural strategies: they either cash crypto ASAP (selling at market price) or they accumulate it until the price goes up (selling at last price in a "mining period").
Hedging means choosing the third option: selling at the first price - the one true when you start mining. So the essential mechanism is simple: you sell first and produce afterwards.

Mining companies (I mean physical commodities: coal and stuff) are contracted - they sign an agreement with a buyer that - at some particular moment in the future - they'll ship their product for some agreed price (hence the instrument name: futures). But since we're talking about small volumes here, you don't have to find a contractor (someone who will really buy your crypto). You can buy a futures contract (a financial instrument) on a crypto exchange and just sell it later.
I will use BitMEX in this example (which doesn't mean I recommend this site - it was the first google result for "ethereum futures").
Here's their contract for ETH/BTC: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETHU17
Once you get this, you're not affected by ETH variability any more - just that of BTC (because you know how much BTC you'll get for your ETH).

Example:
Lets say it's 2017-06-19 and ETH is worth 0.14 BTC - you like the price, so you buy the contract above for some Y ETH.
Lets assume that today is exactly the moment when you accumulated Y ETH. You sell both the contract and the ETH (for BTC!).
What is the total outcome? You get as much BTC as if the ETH price was 0.14 during these ~10 weeks (while in reality it was different).

The lucky part of this is that BTC went significantly up lately. So how much did you make in USD?
Exactly as much as if you were just mining ETH and cashing as soon as possible - like most do - ... if the price was constant ~$582 (0.14*4160). :)

In reality you'd usually hedge (secure yourself with contracts) in the currency you're earning/spending the most. So if you'd get an ETH/USD contract in the above scenario, you'd be mining at constant $360 (the price from 2017-06-19) - still not bad.

Does this sound complicated? I guess it might, but it's pretty simple to perform. If you don't feel very well with these kind of activity, you could ask someone for help. I guess in 2017 everyone has a friend working in finance. :)

Where's the catch?
Of course financial instruments are not free (someone is taking your risk after all). What I've described above would cost something like 3% of the revenue, so even over 10% of profits (if your GPUs aren't effective and electricity is expensive).

I decided to invest in a new hobby for the summer.....fishing. So far, my investment has netted me nothing.
Unnecessary sarcasm. And spending money on something is not investing if you don't do it for profit.

So far nothing you said in this thread is helpful to anyone.
I for example I've been helpful by answered people questions and trying to get rid of you. lol
Second of all I don't try to convince people either way good or bad.
I just give them facts and they need to decide for them selves.
You see, here's where our approaches differ. I do believe there is more to life than just answering questions precisely. Sometimes you can share a bit of additional information/wisdom as well.
If someone asked on this forum about the most effective way to commit a suicide, would you call an answer "cyanide poisoning" more helpful than "don't do it"?

Also, I don't think you're as straightforward in answering questions as you might think.
If someone asked "which $10 cooler would be best for my overclocked 7700K?" you would tell him that this is no good and he should get a better one, wouldn't you?

But I've already put the work in have the machines setup so they don't need my intervention at all they just make me money.
According to more experienced miners here, it's not as easy as you say. Rigs need maintenance (at least resetting when they crash and cleaning). Someone has even called it a "full-time job" (although I do believe he had a bit more gear than you do).
I've sad this before I do a lot of stuff like fixing and modding consoles never saw it as a extra income just something to support my hobbies.
And I've said before that I'm not talking about a situation when someone is doing this for fun. But some people in this topic were clearly after the profit and they weren't warned that at least some of those recommending mining see it as a great hobby.
At least one guy here said he is betting on mining to pay his mortgage/taxes!

BTW: I have to point how your (and other mining fans' here) opinion on mining evolved in this thread:
1) Great profitability (June): basically free money; no risk; one should cash out instantly; ROI in 2 months!
2) Decreasing profitability (July, early August): surely will go up; don't cash out - hold BTC because it'll be worth 10x more.
3) Awful situation we have today: it's a great hobby.
Correct, isn't it? :)
 
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No problem. :)

Most home miners use one of 2 most natural strategies: they either cash crypto ASAP (selling at market price) or they accumulate it until the price goes up (selling at last price in a "mining period").
Hedging means choosing the third option: selling at the first price - the one true when you start mining. So the essential mechanism is simple: you sell first and produce afterwards.

Mining companies (I mean physical commodities: coal and stuff) are contracted - they sign an agreement with a buyer that - at some particular moment in the future - they'll ship their product for some agreed price (hence the instrument name: futures). But since we're talking about small volumes here, you don't have to find a contractor (someone who will really buy your crypto). You can buy a futures contract (a financial instrument) on a crypto exchange and just sell it later.
I will use BitMEX in this example (which doesn't mean I recommend this site - it was the first google result for "ethereum futures").
Here's their contract for ETH/BTC: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETHU17
Once you get this, you're not affected by ETH variability any more - just that of BTC (because you know how much BTC you'll get for your ETH).

Example:
Lets say it's 2017-06-19 and ETH is worth 0.14 BTC - you like the price, so you buy the contract above for some Y ETH.
Lets assume that today is exactly the moment when you accumulated Y ETH. You sell both the contract and the ETH (for BTC!).
What is the total outcome? You get as much BTC as if the ETH price was 0.14 during these ~10 weeks (while in reality it was different).

The lucky part of this is that BTC went significantly up lately. So how much did you make in USD?
Exactly as much as if you were just mining ETH and cashing as soon as possible - like most do - ... if the price was constant ~$582 (0.14*4160). :)

In reality you'd usually hedge (secure yourself with contracts) in the currency you're earning/spending the most. So if you'd get an ETH/USD contract in the above scenario, you'd be mining at constant $360 (the price from 2017-06-19) - still not bad.

Does this sound complicated? I guess it might, but it's pretty simple to perform. If you don't feel very well with these kind of activity, you could ask someone for help. I guess in 2017 everyone has a friend working in finance. :)

Where's the catch?
Of course financial instruments are not free (someone is taking your risk after all). What I've described above would cost something like 3% of the revenue, so even over 10% of profits (if your GPUs aren't effective and electricity is expensive).


Unnecessary sarcasm. And spending money on something is not investing if you don't do it for profit.


You see, here's where our approaches differ. I do believe there is more to life than just answering questions precisely. Sometimes you can share a bit of additional information/wisdom as well.
If someone asked on this forum about the most effective way to commit a suicide, would you call an answer "cyanide poisoning" more helpful than "don't do it"?

Also, I don't think you're as straightforward in answering questions as you might think.
If someone asked "which $10 cooler would be best for my overclocked 7700K?" you would tell him that this is no good and he should get a better one, wouldn't you?


According to more experienced miners here, it's not as easy as you say. Rigs need maintenance (at least resetting when they crash and cleaning). Someone has even called it a "full-time job" (although I do believe he had a bit more gear than you do).

And I've said before that I'm not talking about a situation when someone is doing this for fun. But some people in this topic were clearly after the profit and they weren't warned that at least some of those recommending mining see it as a great hobby.
At least one guy here said he is betting on mining to pay his mortgage/taxes!

BTW: I have to point how your (and other mining fans' here) opinion on mining evolved in this thread:
1) Great profitability (June): basically free money; no risk; one should cash out instantly; ROI in 2 months!
2) Decreasing profitability (July, early August): surely will go up; don't cash out - hold BTC because it'll be worth 10x more.
3) Awful situation we have today: it's a great hobby.
Correct, isn't it? :)
Well at least its along the lines of helpful , however when i started this i accepted its cost as a tool for speculation and in my admittedly unlearned hands i mined aprox £430 but through buying and selling portions of it i got it upto 689 ,i then admittedly self spanked my way out of £80 , but im up or was until i rash bought this vega.

ill look into this though because if its as you say , the best way ,then ill happily defer to a better way of doing things ,and as the above demonstrates im learning still.:)

on the topic of learning a few weeks ago i had a worse case scenario, main pc gaming/mining rig blown up.

its the one still listed since ive not changed that yet but i have i swear ran 5 gpus in it before , so thought four rx 580s would be fine with one on a riser. it looked nice check the pics

note the nice colour of the power feed wires in pcd2,3, i didnt when i took the pics.

@erocker it took me some time to post because i didnt know what to say or do.

after fixing it via new motherboard and psu cables(one sata power feed down for life thoguh since it melted) i came to realise id had a water leak so thought id investigate further since one rx480/580 stopped working i deblocked it and found water in its vrms, it was the top card so i thought well waters dripped from my shitty swivel monsoon fittings on the cpu block over time , picked up dirt and blew the shit out of stuff, not that simple either.

upon further investigation the monsoon fittings are crap and gone now but i killed it , it was me.

i fitted some hepa filter in the res two years ago and it caught stuff fine for that time however it went brittle as chalk dusk blocked a gpu block which then blew a fitting and drowned gpu1s pciex socket and vrms leading to loads of power killing both motherboards power feeds cables and connectors, not good but i bought good stuff , the psu is fine and mines on in a miner and im on a crappy gigabyte fx mobo for a bit , the gpu got fixed up fine last night after a big cleanup and i hope to save my crosshair via swapping its connectors soon but i learned some stuff yet again.

1 dont put anything and i mean anything that isnt specifically designed for pc waterloops in a pc waterloop.
 

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i dont think cash (money in the bank) is a good thing to hold at the moment.. it can only go down in value and i dont trust the banks.. to be honest the only way i see as to making a mining profit is to hold the coin i mine long term and hope it goes up in value.. my tin foil hat machine tells me it will.. he he..
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i sell enough to cover electric every month, and occasionally pull some for toys for the wife and i. used it for vacation money this year also.

but i hodl most coin as im a believer in crypto.

Does anyone holding for the long term diversify any?
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I'd be interested to hear of any other suggestions for diversifying. There are a large number of coins out there.
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Has anyone else come across anything worthy of a few % investment for diversification?

keep in mind im no expert, but i also hold eth and ltc at the moment. may keep a few bcc/bch just in case it goes somewhere, but i sold most for btc.
 

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And I've said before that I'm not talking about a situation when someone is doing this for fun. But some people in this topic were clearly after the profit and they weren't warned that at least some of those recommending mining see it as a great hobby.
At least one guy here said he is betting on mining to pay his mortgage/taxes!

BTW: I have to point how your (and other mining fans' here) opinion on mining evolved in this thread:
1) Great profitability (June): basically free money; no risk; one should cash out instantly; ROI in 2 months!
2) Decreasing profitability (July, early August): surely will go up; don't cash out - hold BTC because it'll be worth 10x more.
3) Awful situation we have today: it's a great hobby.
Correct, isn't it? :)

Since some of us started earlier when ROI was still very good, a lot are paid off and just mining for the heck if it. I still make $1500 a month with the few boxes I have going, but had to put some form of effort into efficiency. Everything evolves over time and this has been no different. With the right equipment it is still heavily profitable.
 
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my miner is up and running on three 1070 cards.. i have lost the bit to connect up the other PSU to run the other three cards..

the evga black edition cards are still at stock.. i havent tweaked them as yet..



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my miner is up and running on three 1070 cards.. i have lost the bit to connect up the other PSU to run the other three cards..

the evga black edition cards are still at stock.. i havent tweaked them as yet..

trog

Seems like pretty good results. How many watts are you pulling from the wall? Or each card?

I had to return my PSU because it was DOA. Hoping to get my replacement on Friday.
 
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running six card i estimate a bit less than 1000 watts.. on three a bit over half that..150 watts or a bit less per card.. all estimates i havnt tried a watt-meter yet..

the estimated money return per day looks abysmal.. he he..

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running six card i estimate a bit less than 1000 watts.. on three a bit over half that..150 watts or a bit less per card.. all estimates i havnt tried a watt-meter yet..

the estimated money return per day looks abysmal.. he he..

trog

I don't know, I think it seems okay. Not like it was 3 months ago, but you can still turn a profit. Depending on how much your electricity costs are. This calculation is based on $0.13/kWh (USD) and 6 GTX 1070 pulling 1000W

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Taken from here
https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/vertcoin-mining-calculator
 
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I don't know, I think it seems okay. Not like it was 3 months ago, but you can still turn a profit. Depending on how much your electricity costs are. This calculation is based on $0.13/kWh (USD) and 6 GTX 1070 pulling 1000W

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Taken from here
https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/vertcoin-mining-calculator
The values here are a bit higher than what I see @nicehash, but whatever - still way over 1 year ROI for the rig, so IMO likely above these cards' lifetime...
It's good that people treat this as a hobby. :)
 
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