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Yes using Identical benchmark settings, both stock cards (identical cards!) and both stock identical CPUs, only difference is that he has 8gb of RAM which wouldn't affect this benchmark. I will get him to check what his BIOS is in CPU-Z?


Hi there, thanks for your Input. Yes i realize that is a potential small bottleneck, but i doubt it would be very large and still be a noticable improvement. The issue is that when comparing to my friend i know that there is something not right. 134FPS vs my 105FPS. yes I almost got a 5600x but then decided to wait until Ryzen 7000 series
It's not a small bottleneck
The 2700x is not going to give you high FPS gaming in modern engines, period

It varies per game engine of course - but when you're in a game that is CPU limited, you really do have trouble feeding the GPU

Heres a 3080 with various CPU's at 720P, from TPU's 12900KS review
It doesnt matter if you have a 3090 or a 2070 here, a 3900x cannot provide above 120FPS in that game engine (with those settings) - where other CPU's can
A 2000 series CPU will be slower again - no matter what GPU it's paired with
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Heres from the 5600x review (it's older) - but shows more of the ryzen CPU generations. This ones with a 2080ti (You'll notice that after the 5600x, the 2080ti becomes the limit here even at 720p)

Notice the that a 2700x gains a good 30FPS to a 3700x, yet the 5600x is 50FPS up on it?
It matters.
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As to how to improve the gaming performance of ryzen CPU's, it's limited but simple: Don't do all core overclocks - do stock with PBO on. Run four ranks of memory (2x dual rank sticks or 4x single rank sticks) at 3200-3600Mhz (depending on generation) at the lowest timings you can.

@JoeDaPandaNZ whats your actual RAM setup? 16GB is the size, but says nothing about performance. That could be a single rank 16GB stick at 2133, four 4GB sticks at 4GHz or anything in between - all of which affect CPU and gaming performance
 
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There are your bios files. They are for WF 2 (2Fan model Cards)


175W is target
200W is the limit

This is another WF2

10DE 1F02 1458 4011


Same Power limits above

These are WF3(3fan)

10DE 1F021458 37C2




Verified and unverified files

 
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It’s not the CPU limiting anything when his friend has the exact same system and way higher FPS, another case of people not reading the OP.

OP, use DDU, clean the system of all drivers, then make a restart and install the Nvidia driver again and test the benchmark again and see if something improved.
 

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It’s not the CPU limiting anything when his friend has the exact same system and way higher FPS, another case of people not reading the OP.

OP, use DDU, clean the system of all drivers, then make a restart and install the Nvidia driver again and test the benchmark again and see if something improved.
very simple changes like the RAM setup can absolutely lead to differences like that - i even listed examples of how and what they are

I forgot the name of the article previously and went with my own experiences, but heres the TPU article to back that up - 30% performance difference depending on RAM setup
We don't know if he's running single or dual rank, XMP is on or off, etc.

AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide - Benchmarks: Performance Results | TechPowerUp
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Almost always, there is going to be more than one reason his performance is different - starting with the actual physical setup of the machine is an obvious starting point, and RAM setup/XMP is commonly missed.
 
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very simple changes like the RAM setup can absolutely lead to differences like that - i even listed examples of how and what they are

I forgot the name of the article previously and went with my own experiences, but heres the TPU article to back that up - 30% performance difference depending on RAM setup
We don't know if he's running single or dual rank, XMP is on or off, etc.

AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide - Benchmarks: Performance Results | TechPowerUp
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Almost always, there is going to be more than one reason his performance is different - starting with the actual physical setup of the machine is an obvious starting point, and RAM setup/XMP is commonly missed.
It’s only possible if he uses just one stick of 16 GB RAM or something atrocious like 2400 speed, otherwise I don’t see it. To me it seemed like his PC is simply throttling itself due to faulty drivers.

GPU benchmarks aren’t CPU heavy, btw
 
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maybe use some modern benchmarks and not this ancient DX9 Demo?
Um..
HeavenBenchmark.jpg

You were saying?

Tops out at about 1780Mhz on the core and 1750 on the memory, is this normal?
Sounds about right? Are you having problems with framerates in any games?

yes I almost got a 5600x but then decided to wait until Ryzen 7000 series
While your 2600X is no slouch, a 5600X would be a solid upgrade and would help maximize your GPUs full potential.
 
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OP post your system specs.
 
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Perhaps you missed them saying the following..


So yeah, they did post their system specs.
Wrong, that’s not specific enough.

“16 GB DDR4” can mean a lot of things
 

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I just upgraded from my GTX 1070 to a RTX 2070 (Purchased secondhand), i even got a brand new 850w PSU to run it. I have a sensor panel which reads that i am being limited by power (Checked GPU-Z and it says the same). Even after maxing power limit on MSI afterburner i only get sub-110FPS in the Unigine heaven 4.0 benchmark at 1080P. ran it three times and the average was about 105FPS, 109 was the best!.......please help! surely this isnt normal?

Have i been scammed with a fake card or am i missing something?
My old 1070 PerfCap was ALWAYS "Reliability Voltage" which is normal, whereas now it is usually "PWR" or "Voltage Reliability" Or something else voltage related............either way in the standard heaven benchmark only 109 FPS?????


Ryzen 5 2600 - Stock
Gigabyte Windforce 2X RTX 2070 - Stock
16gb DDR4
EVGA SupaNova G5 850w

Any help is muchly appreciated Thanks
Unigine should definitely not be reading 4GB. My 2080 SUPER shows 8GB in Unigine so something is definitely up with it. You said the screws have been tampered with which is suspicious. Is it possible for you to return it for a refund?
 
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Wrong, that’s not specific enough.
It is for the needs of this situation. The OP is VERY unlikely to be running a single stick of DDR4. And even if they were, they were running it that way with their 1070, so the differences would be the same.
“16 GB DDR4” can mean a lot of things
Perhaps, but system RAM is not going to factor in much for the situation the OP is having.

Unigine should definitely not be reading 4GB.
It's a known glitch. Happens a lot.
 
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Unigine should definitely not be reading 4GB. My 2080 SUPER shows 8GB in Unigine so something is definitely up with it. You said the screws have been tampered with which is suspicious. Is it possible for you to return it for a refund?
I think this is normal because the App is ancient. His GPUZ showed normal signs.

@lexluthermiester are you here to argue with me or help the OP? Seems to me you’re just here to do the former. Are you following the thread? Or just reading 20% of it? All rhetoric questions btw
 
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@lexluthermiester are you here to argue with me or help the OP?
If you're going to ask questions, ask the right questions, questions that will actually render meaningful information to the OP. When someone is having a problem with the performance of their graphics card after recently upgrading, asking about system RAM is not very helpful.
 
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If you're going to ask questions, ask the right questions, questions that will actually render meaningful information to the OP. When someone is having a problem with the performance of their graphics card, asking about system RAM is not very helpful.
I disagree and so does @Mussels . If you’re not here to help, and just annoy others, maybe don’t post in help threads? I don’t see you being helpful here with your bickering.
 
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I disagree and so does @Mussels .
The op upgraded a GPU and is asking about that upgraded GPU underperforming. They did NOT mention any other changes done to the PC in question. So whatever RAM they had with their GTX1070 is going to render identical results from card to card and will not effect card performance in a comparison situation. Just because two people ask about system RAM does not mean that question will be of any use in this situation.

Now quit letting your pride react and stop arguing.
 

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I'll clean this thread up to keep it on topic:
Someone got a temporary ban for actions elsewhere on the forum, and it got noticed here. Nothing major.

Let's focus on getting that 2070's performance up
 

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I'll clean this thread up to keep it on topic:
Someone got a temporary ban for actions elsewhere on the forum, and it got noticed here. Nothing major.

Let's focus on getting that 2070's performance up
I provided the stock bios above, not much more can be done other than OC the ram/CPU.
 
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maybe use some modern benchmarks and not this ancient DX9 Demo?
what's the problem with heaven? some test cpus with prime95. i could also say "maybe use modern aida64 one", but, it's really someone personal decision which tool to use. it's a tool in the end, not the OS.
 

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The op upgraded a GPU and is asking about that upgraded GPU underperforming. They did NOT mention any other changes done to the PC in question. So whatever RAM they had with their GTX1070 is going to render identical results from card to card and will not effect card performance in a comparison situation. Just because two people ask about system RAM does not mean that question will be of any use in this situation.
Just remember that often you dont notice bottlenecks until you upgrade.

My Dads 4770k system is a great example because of it's absurd overclocking
3.5GHz stock CPU + DDR3 1333 to 4.8GHz + DDR3 2400

With his previous GPU (RX570), the overclock to the CPU and RAM did nothing for his in-game FPS - but when it died and i loaned him my GTX 1070Ti a flat CMOS battery reset to default and it nearly halved his performance in world of tanks. Neither the CPU nor RAM alone was the key, it needed both faster to feed the new GPU.

The thing is, overall CPU performance was stagnant for a long long time. Honestly, look at this: a 4790K matching a 10th gen i3.
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I could rant for paragraphs, but it boils down to: Every CPU has a ceiling in every game engine, that no matter how fast the GPU or how low the settings, they simply cannot pass.


I can move my GTX 1080 between my various systems (I've got more than my specs show - 2500K, 3570K, 6700, 2700x, 3700x, 5800x) and performance wouldnt vary greatly, because that GPU is the limit.
My 3090? The 5800x can be 100FPS higher than the others, and that's not exaggerating. The OP's RTX 2070 here is a beast of a card - and for games that need more single threaded grunt to reach higher FPS Limits, ryzen below zen 3 just cant really break the 100-120FPS mark (Thats from my own personal experiences with 165Hz displays, and matches the screenshot above)


@JoeDaPandaNZ sorry your thread got derailed. Can we get detailed pics and screenshots of your hardware setup? (Win+Shift+S snipping tool lets you copy-paste straight into the forum here)

CPU-Z (CPU, mainboard, memory, SPD tabs), GPU-z (main page) and HWinfo64's sensors page (fullscreen that one so we can read all the sensors and readings min/max/average values - preferably minimise it, play games, and take the screenshot after leaving the game)

what's the problem with heaven? some test cpus with prime95. i could also say "maybe use modern aida64 one", but, it's really someone personal decision which tool to use. it's a tool in the end, not the OS.
Heaven is a great GPU tester - but it only tests the GPU.
It's extremely light on the CPU so its a good way to test a GPU alone (and i truly mean GPU alone, it's not good for VRAM testing either) - I use it regularly for overclock/undervolt testing but it doesnt represent gaming performance on modern titles well.

I provided the stock bios above, not much more can be done other than OC the ram/CPU.
Agreed - i asked above to get the OP's proper hardware stats so we can find out what they should be running at vs what they are running at
 
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Just remember that often you dont notice bottlenecks until you upgrade.
This can be true. However in the OP's situation I really don't think it's an issue. They have a modern CPU with modern RAM and it seems the card is running at it proper clocks. I hate to say this because I don't want the OP to feel insulted, it seems like their expectations were higher than the real performance of the card. This was a common complaint a few years ago when the RTX cards were new. It's not that they're not good performers it's just that they didn't give that quantum leap level of performance boost that was seen with GTX7X0->GTX9X0 and from GTX9X0->GTX10X0.
 
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This can be true. However in the OP's situation I really don't think it's an issue. They have a modern CPU with modern RAM and it seems the card is running at it proper clocks. I hate to say this because I don't want the OP to feel insulted, it seems like their expectations were higher than the real performance of the card. This was a common complaint a few years ago when the RTX cards were new. It's not that they're not good performers it's just that they didn't give that quantum leap level of performance boost that was seen with GTX7X0->GTX9X0 and from GTX9X0->GTX10X0.
lol, another... gtx 1070=gtx 1660 super. same turing cores. now there are rtx 2060 and 2060 super before rtx 2070 comes. not enough "quantum leap" difference? yes, it's not like going from 1030 to 2080ti, but, still, 1660 super and 2070 are 2 different worlds. 2070 can ez do 2k games @ 60 fps, while 1660 super is pure fhd even for slightly older games.
 
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lol, another... gtx 1070=gtx 1660 super. same turing cores. now there are rtx 2060 and 2060 super before rtx 2070 comes. not enough "quantum leap" difference? yes, it's not like going from 1030 to 2080ti, but, still, 1660 super and 2070 are 2 different worlds. 2070 can ez do 2k games @ 60 fps, while 1660 super is pure fhd even for slightly older games.
No one was talking about the GTX16X0 cards..
 
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The OP upgraded their GTX1070 to a RTX2060 and that's what was being discussing above. NO ONE but you mentioned the GTX16X0 cards.
you mentioned that ~37% better gpu isn't significant upgrade. well, to upgrade to 137% better gpu, you could buy like 2-3 average joe modern pcs, so, 37% is very reasonable performance difference in terms of either gpu or cpu upgrade.;)
 
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