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I mean, it's a fine card at a bad price but that is par for the course this generation. The problem I see with this card is what has been mentioned by other tech journalists in that the cards MSRP is probably not going to be hit by many cards since there are no 'Founders Edition' cards and most of the ones that have been listed are around $850 meaning that's most likely going to be where the card sits or higher. That is going to hurt its value when comparing to the more powerful RX 7900 XT which can be had at its MSRP and even a few aftermarket OC variants at that price point (Looking at the XFX Merc 310 7900 XT).

Still, at the end I don't like the value of any card this generation. I think they are all way above what they should be.
 
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You know its one sad gen when only the 4090 really brings meaningful new performance over last gen's top end. Because really, 20% is absolutely nothing (4080) and even then you're still in overpriced nonsense land.

I mean really, the 4080 at its price is completely forgettable. The 4070ti is not much different. Will it get better when we go lower? I doubt it...

1440P is what this card is geared for.

Imagine just managing 1440p on a 3 slot monster. Laughing stock of the month imho

Ada is so lazy all the way, I cant even. Shrinking Ampere and then having the audacity to increase pricing. Other than that its all proprietary software bs they added on top.
 
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You know its one sad gen when only the 4090 really brings meaningful new performance over last gen's top end. Because really, 20% is absolutely nothing (4080) and even then you're still in overpriced nonsense land.

I mean really, the 4080 at its price is completely forgettable. The 4070ti is not much different. Will it get better when we go lower? I doubt it...


Imagine just managing 1440p on a 3 slot monster. Laughing stock of the month imho
Imagine the MSRP for the RTX 3090 Ti is $2000 USD and it gets beat more times than naught by a card with an MSRP of $800 USD.
 
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Imagine the MSRP for the RTX 3090 Ti is $2000 USD and it gets beat more times than naught by a card with an MSRP of $800 USD.
The 3090ti is the worst perf/$ card of the stack and most pointless of it - this is an x70ti model.

Which generally means 'poor man's x80'.

I thought Moore's law was dead? Apparently we're being lied to ;) Its half the die size & half the VRAM.

Also, 'gets beat'... not exactly. It loses to it, despite the odd event where it doesn't. Its just 10% slower, and apparently then not 4K capable due to lack of bw/VRAM? Now we know why its 800, eh. Its priced perfectly along the lines of 3090ti insanity.

If you compare 1080p through 1440 and 4K, you can already see the planned obscolescent 12GB shine through. On release day. Nice! It loses a relative 14% over these resolutions to other cards with more VRAM.

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The 3090ti is the worst perf/$ card of the stack and most pointless of it - this is an x70ti model.

Which generally means 'poor man's x80'.

I thought Moore's law was dead? Apparently we're being lied to ;) Its half the die size & half the VRAM.
If Nvdea makes enough of these cards so that the scalpers don't screw everyone then you can expect it to be a hot seller.
 
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It's just another rebranded card, formerly know as 4080 12 gb. So it is now called 4070 ti and maybe 100 usd cheaper. Well guess nvidia has seen how well 4080 16 gb sells:roll:

So what I think is, you can now get 2000 usd performance for around 800 usd. Seems like a good deal, just remember ngreedia first wanted to sell you it as a 4080 12 gb and for 900 usd and at 800 usd, it is still 100 usb more expensive than 3080 10 gb. So now it's just a new name and maybe a bit cheaper. But it is still the same bs under the skin. You still pay 3080 12 gb pride for a 4070 tier card. Don't let them get away with it. If we don't start to say no, nvidia will keep up there cash grabbing.

Yes I know I have 4090. But that is at least almost same price as 3090. What I find wrong is that the slower cards, has become so much more expensive for just one generation of cards. That can only in my opinion be called cash grabbing. Had I been chosen to get a cheaper card. I had been looking over at amd in stead. 4070 ti/4080 no thanks nvidia.
You get $800 performance for $800.
 
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If Nvdea makes enough of these cards so that the scalpers don't screw everyone then you can expect it to be a hot seller.
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You know, none of this is even relative to the average consumer. I used to buy top of the line cards for $500. Now this mid range junk for 1000can. Top end for 3000can or more.
What the heck?
 
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Do people actually buy used gpu's online?
of course. where do you think they all go? i bought a bunch. geforce 6800 gt (back in 2007-ish), dual HD 6950 with BIOS flashes that turned them into 6970s, gtx 480, and a few others. used GPUs are the best way to get best bang for your buck when you are in high school or college and don't have money to throw around.

my brother had a gtx 1080ti that was mined on. used it for about 5 years. last summer he finally upgraded to a 3090 that was mined on as well for $750 on reedit. it works great. the seller even gave him the original receipt so he can RMA it if it dies.
 
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While 3DMark is an indicator of performance, ain't gonna bet the farm on just it alone. I'd like to see actual gaming performance, I doubt it has such a clear lead over the RX 7900 XT in rasterize gaming benchmark. More likely, in actual gaming benchmarks, it'd be better than the RTX 4070 Ti at rasterize gaming benchmarks.
 
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of course. where do you think they all go? i bought a bunch. geforce 6800 gt (back in 2007-ish), dual HD 6950 with BIOS flashes that turned them into 6970s, gtx 480, and a few others. used GPUs are the best way to get best bang for your buck when you are in high school or college and don't have money to throw around.

my brother had a gtx 1080ti that was mined on. used it for about 5 years. last summer he finally upgraded to a 3090 that was mined on as well for $750 on reedit. it works great. the seller even gave him the original receipt so he can RMA it if it dies.
I also did that, and my track record for used GPUs is quite terrible. Used GPUs are a terrible way to get bang for the buck because when they are dead outside of any return window, you aren't getting the money back.

2005 - ATI Radeon X800XL: ebay, lasted less than 6 months, came with wrong bios applied. Lost money.
2006: Nvidia Geforce 7800GT: ebay, lasted 1 year. Lost money.
2013: AMD Radeon HD 7850: ebay, DOA, paypal claim, hassle.
2013: AMD Radeon HD 7970: ebay, probably ex litecoin miner, Unstable, 2xRMA, sold the last RMA I received, broke even.
2017: Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB: techpowerup, Lasted 4 years, sold only because I upgraded, good card, bought from this forum from a guy I trusted.
2022: Nvidia Geforce GTX 1650 Super: ebay, looks new, works fine, still using in office computer.
 
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You get $800 performance for $800.
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$800 was a lie. And don't expect those ~$850 models to stick around if they do sell through, so better buy now if you want it.
So much for "just wait until next gen". 6800 xt/3080 are in the same general performance class for less, and you could buy them months ago.
 
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Yes and you’ll notice the whopping 30 fps average difference in games?
This is not an uplift that should cost a price premium over the $650-$700 msrp of the aforementioned cards. It should be in the same price bracket for a next gen card. I do not expect to have to scale up my price class for improved performance when I upgrade in the future.
Also, the 1080p results are the most friendly to the card. The 4k results are quite bad. In fact, that really runs home that I’m being generous saying this ought be a ~$700 class card. Its memory system is comparable to a 6700 xt, msrp of $480 but in reality sells in the mid $300 range today.

And to your point of price, you can get a new 3080 off newegg right now for $700. Sketchy peladn and biostar models sure, but it is possible. Also you could get more “respectable” brands in the $700 range a couple months ago, which was my main point.
6800 xt seems to have largely sold through, but was available as low as $550.
 
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Yes and you’ll notice the whopping 30 fps average difference in games?
This is not an uplift that should cost a price premium over the $650-$700 msrp of the aforementioned cards. It should be in the same price bracket for a next gen card. I do not expect to have to scale up my price class for improved performance when I upgrade in the future.
Also, the 1080p results are the most friendly to the card. The 4k results are quite bad. In fact, that really runs home that I’m being generous saying this ought be a ~$700 class card. Its memory system is comparable to a 6700 xt, msrp of $480 but in reality sells in the mid $300 range today.
30 more FPS at 1440P, lower power consumption, DLSS3 and the MSRP difference between the 3080 and 4070 Ti is $100 not to leave out the current state of cost of production which requires shipping, etc ... RE cost of fuel for starters.
 
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30 more FPS at 1440P, lower power consumption, DLSS3 and the MSRP difference between the 3080 and 4070 Ti is $100 not to leave out the current state of cost of production which requires shipping, etc ... RE cost of fuel for starters.

Meanwhile PS5, a 2 year old console has increased in prices instead of lowering, and some dumb YTT say console are godsend lmao
 
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30 more FPS at 1440P, lower power consumption, DLSS3 and the MSRP difference between the 3080 and 4070 Ti is $100 not to leave out the current state of cost of production which requires shipping, etc ... RE cost of fuel for starters.
Go ahead and buy this garbage then, you deserve to be ripped off making all these excuses.
 
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I dunno..

Its pretty much the exact same as what I paid for my 3070 Ti, and it smokes it.

I don't like the prices, but looks like nothing has changed in 2.5 years :/
 
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If you don't care about power efficiency, a used 3090 will give you similar performance at the same price, but with 2x the VRAM.
I don't trust used pc parts, especially used gpus. Miners have sold their used gpus, which is a risk because mining is bad for gpu's. Just get a new 3090 as I've seen a few at $850-$900 which is still a good deal for double the vram. Why get an $800 used one when there are perfectly new ones for $50-$100 more?
 
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I don't trust used pc parts, especially used gpus. Miners have sold their used gpus, which is a risk because mining is bad for gpu's. Just get a new 3090 as I've seen a few at $850-$900 which is still a good deal for double the vram. Why get an $800 used one when there are perfectly new ones for $50-$100 more?
Just means whoever your getting that info from doesn't know how to take care of GPU's.

Bought plenty of mined cards that worked fine. I think only ones that were dead where Vega 64's, 2 of them and a 580 that required a bios reflash, and rest worked.

Yeah, if they sell it not far from New then buy new. Telling people not to buy used is bad advice especially if used works fine. And you can also buy with protection via PayPal or if you buy via eBay.
 
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Motherboard ASRock B650 Pro RS
Cooling 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30
Memory 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora
Storage 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s) LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV
Case Phanteks NV7
Power Supply GPS-750C
I plan on it and I'm going to enjoy my 170+ FPS with all my settings turned on high at 1440P playing Warzone.

Aren't AMD cards like disproportionately faster in anything COD related ? That's an odd choice, considering that game underperforms the most on Nvidia cards.

 
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