Rumor: AMD next-gen RDNA 3 and RDNA 4 GPUs 50 percent performance gain

[P4-630]

The rumor mill about AMD's next generation GPUs is starting to get going.
Moore's Law is dead (MLID) has uncovered a lot of information about these new components and shared it with the world.

MLID reports that the performance of this new generation is much higher than the current generation.
The RDNA 3 GPUs should perform 50 to 60 percent better than the predecessors.
MLID does say that the difference between theoretical peak performance should be separated from what the ultimate “real-world” performance should be.



However, the RDNA 3 Radeon RX7000 cards will be more expensive than the current generation. MLID talks about “almost an entire tier”.
This includes what Nvidia had done with the RTX 20 cards compared to the RTX 10 cards.



MLID expects the RDNA 3 RX 7000 cards to hit the market in the second half of 2022 and RDNA 4 cards to see the light of day in late 2023 or early 2024.
Both generations should achieve a 50 percent better performance compared to their predecessor.

 

[The red spirit]

If it's true, then it's very underwhelming. Not performance gains, but how woefully they are unsuitable for any budget builder. It surely doesn't' cost them that much to make even with logistical crisis they are just milking gamers for as long as they can. If motherboards don't cost significantly more than they were, GPU shouldn't either. Even peasant class x500 cards are 300 USD. I don't care about any of their competition if prices don't come down. A real competition cannot exist, if they are both price fixing their cards. I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to do or at least should be. Fuck AMD and nVidia.

An even budget cards aside, what's the point of cards like 7950XT? If you save up that much, just buy workstation card. More features and better hardware for your money than on Radeon, even if at that point you are still pissing money down the toilet.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Current amd cards are way overpriced so making them even more expensive is pretty wild
Even miners aren't clearing stock out in the US all micro center has is amd cards in stock most of the time.

 

[Chomiq]

Hi,
Current amd cards are way overpriced so making them even more expensive is pretty wild
Even miners aren't clearing stock out in the US all micro center has is amd cards in stock most of the time.

Miners aren't clearing stock because rdna 2 is bad at mining.

 

[The red spirit]

Miners aren't clearing stock because rdna 2 is bad at mining.

And bad at price. lol would anyone buy 6700 XT for 1.1k EUR? That's rip AMD for gamers and miners.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

What does it matter when they'll be either A too expensive via driven up prices, or B not available to buy.

 

[The red spirit]

Besides still awful prices are there some news about architecture itself or something like whitepaper? APUs might be still okay, but still those are dark times ahead.

 

[Ellertis]

Besides still awful prices are there some news about architecture itself or something like whitepaper? APUs might be still okay, but still those are dark times ahead.

I hope so when amd will switch to rdna arch in apus. For now the just make them more efficient in perf/die space/price, for example vega 8 in Cezanne vs ryzen 3400g vega11, and it's also is much better at low bandwidth.

Edit: For now, I'd just want an eight core cpu with 20 ish CUs, but with ddr4 it ain't gonna cut it. Maybe with ddr5 or infinity cache?

 

[The red spirit]

I hope so when amd will switch to rdna arch in apus. For now the just make them more efficient in perf/die space/price, for example vega 8 in Cezanne vs ryzen 3400g vega11, and it's also is much better at low bandwidth.

Edit: For now, I'd just want an eight core cpu with 20 ish CUs, but with ddr4 it ain't gonna cut it. Maybe with ddr5 or infinity cache?

I doubt that they will increase amount of core on APU by that much. A10-7850K had 512 cores and today, Vega 8 IGP in x200G parts still have that many. Only x400G and other higher end x600G or x700G parts have slightly more (704). If we want a value hero, then it should have 4C/8T, perhaps 576 rDNA 2 cores and priced at 120-130 USD. If it can't do this, then it pretty much won't be good enough for budget gamers. That should be 6200G, Athlon 600GE could be 4C/4T part with 256 rDNA 2 cores. 6400G could be 6C/6T part with 640 rDNA2 cores and upper end 6600G should be 6C/12T part with 832 rDNA 2 cores. I don't see much point of higher end APUs, but as display adapter, they can have 3 CU rDNA 2 IGP. Obviously all of them should be Zen 4 APUs with none of that old architecture bullshit, maybe with exception for Athlon due to how price sensitive it should be.

20 CUs are really unrealistic as that's literally 6700 XT and those chips are cooled by that AMD Spire e-waste and should be limited to 65 watts. Also no budget gamer would pay for beefy board with beefy VRMs to make it run. Everything must be cheap and handle harsher climates well.

 

[Ellertis]

I doubt that they will increase amount of core on APU by that much. A10-7850K had 512 cores and today, Vega 8 IGP in x200G parts still have that many. Only x400G and other higher end x600G or x700G parts have slightly more (704). If we want a value hero, then it should have 4C/8T, perhaps 576 rDNA 2 cores and priced at 120-130 USD. If it can't do this, then it pretty much won't be good enough for budget gamers. That should be 6200G, Athlon 600GE could be 4C/4T part with 256 rDNA 2 cores. 6400G could be 6C/6T part with 640 rDNA2 cores and upper end 6600G should be 6C/12T part with 832 rDNA 2 cores. I don't see much point of higher end APUs, but as display adapter, they can have 3 CU rDNA 2 IGP. Obviously all of them should be Zen 4 APUs with none of that old architecture bullshit, maybe with exception for Athlon due to how price sensitive it should be.

20 CUs are really unrealistic as that's literally 6700 XT and those chips are cooled by that AMD Spire e-waste and should be limited to 65 watts. Also no budget gamer would pay for beefy board with beefy VRMs to make it run. Everything must be cheap and handle harsher climates well.

Actually, with the node shrinks coming, maybe a 20 CU is super optimistic prediction, but what about 12CUs then? On 5nm, with the cut down l3 cache, I think there will be enough space. Though to address the power limit, guess we'll have to wait for rdna 3 another 50% power efficiency?

 

[The red spirit]

Actually, with the node shrinks coming, maybe a 20 CU is super optimistic prediction, but what about 12CUs then? On 5nm, with the cut down l3 cache, I think there will be enough space.

There is Vega 11, 11 CU APU. There will likely be 11 CU or 12 CU rDNA 2 IGP. But 20 CUs, no bueno.

Though to address the power limit, guess we'll have to wait for rdna 3 another 50% power efficiency?

Likely, but I have no idea about figures and possible gains.

 

[Ellertis]

There is Vega 11, 11 CU APU. There will likely be 11 CU or 12 CU rDNA 2 IGP. But 20 CUs, no bueno.



Likely, but I have no idea about figures and possible gains.

Rdna CUs take up much more space than vega, so its not very comparable