(Rumor) AMD's Upcoming Flagship GPU to feature 8192 RDNA stream processors

[MazeFrame]

One of the famous "leaker" named "wjm47196" also confirmed partially that at least Arcturus will feature 8192 SP probably on 7nm

Last thing I heared, Arcturus was a thing, but a "close to" 1000MHz server only.

My bet - this is going to be 4096SP chip and a dual-die Instinct card

With you on that. There was an interview a while ago where AMD talked about how the hardware for chiplet GPUs was doable, the software however was a problem. Something along the lines of "we need to hide the fact it is multiple GPUs from the application".

after they sort out their 7nm shortage

That is on TSMC, because every company that needs 7nm silicon is going

 

[Nater]

Despite the use of caps lock, that wouldn't be too far fetched considering what AMD could pull off with a lower mid-range card like the 5700 XT. Though, Instead of obliterating AMD will "only" beat the 2080 Ti and provide us with 4K 60 fps performance after they sort out their 7nm shortage. It is just a matter of when that will happen.

Hopefully before nVidia can get Ampere out at say +30% performance over a 2080Ti...for twice the price. Cause you know they will. (charge $$$$ that is)

 

[Space Lynx]

Despite the use of caps lock, that wouldn't be too far fetched considering what AMD could pull off with a lower mid-range card like the 5700 XT. Though, Instead of obliterating AMD will "only" beat the 2080 Ti and provide us with 4K 60 fps performance after they sort out their 7nm shortage. It is just a matter of when that will happen.

probably not even next year in terms of chip availability... don't forget folks, next gen xbox and ps5 are coming out holiday 2020 and using these same factories. not to mention the traditional iphone cycle taking up factory time... etc.

 

[refillable]

probably not even next year in terms of chip availability... don't forget folks, next gen xbox and ps5 are coming out holiday 2020 and using these same factories. not to mention the traditional iphone cycle taking up factory time... etc.

It could be that the old 7nm overlaps with the new one, but I doubt it. They are supposed to be 18 months apart. In fact I would be surprised if anyone releases a high power 7nm+ product before the end of Q3 2020. TSMC should've easily seen this coming, and historically, with the 28nm process they handled a similar situation pretty well.

 

[xkm1948]

probably not even next year in terms of chip availability... don't forget folks, next gen xbox and ps5 are coming out holiday 2020 and using these same factories. not to mention the traditional iphone cycle taking up factory time... etc.

Are iphones on 7nm? What about most Snapdragon CPUs?

 

[Space Lynx]

Are iphones on 7nm? What about most Snapdragon CPUs?

not sure, but they use the same TSMC facilities for their production of whatever SoC it is that year

It could be that the old 7nm overlaps with the new one, but I doubt it. They are supposed to be 18 months apart. In fact I would be surprised if anyone releases a high power 7nm+ product before the end of Q3 2020. TSMC should've easily seen this coming, and historically, with the 28nm process they handled a similar situation pretty well.

TSMC enters high volume production with N7+ EUV process

TSMC announced that it's bringing its N7+ EUV process node to the market in high volume, and it bears the distinction of being the first commercially available...

www.techspot.com

 

[refillable]

TSMC enters high volume production with N7+ EUV process

TSMC announced that it's bringing its N7+ EUV process node to the market in high volume, and it bears the distinction of being the first commercially available...

www.techspot.com

This is the second time you posted the same thing and on both occasions, you had no point.

 

[notb]

It could be that the old 7nm overlaps with the new one, but I doubt it. They are supposed to be 18 months apart. In fact I would be surprised if anyone releases a high power 7nm+ product before the end of Q3 2020. TSMC should've easily seen this coming, and historically, with the 28nm process they handled a similar situation pretty well.

Why do you think TSMC isn't handling 7nm situation well?

 

[refillable]

Why do you think TSMC isn't handling 7nm situation well?

I didn't say they aren't.

 

[Hellfire]

I feel (based on my gut) AMD are at least 6-9months away from announcing or even rumors of anything for the high end gaming market in the GPU space. This may be more likely a year + away however.

A space AMD have for many years troubled in and haven't released a highly competitive high end GPU for years (I'm saying that as a AMD/Sapphire Fanboy.

Whilst very different with the success of Ryzen I think that will have helped AMD gain the confidence it needed to re-enter the market with s bang, they've invested a lot with RDNA, 5700/5700XT as value for money, high midrange/low high-end cards have done very well and I think they're taking their time to get the solution right, I mean, they don't want another VII happening again.

Of course, this is just how I feel, it could be BS of course

 

[Space Lynx]

I feel (based on my gut) AMD are at least 6-9months away from announcing or even rumors of anything for the high end gaming market in the GPU space. This may be more likely a year + away however.

A space AMD have for many years troubled in and haven't released a highly competitive high end GPU for years (I'm saying that as a AMD/Sapphire Fanboy.

Whilst very different with the success of Ryzen I think that will have helped AMD gain the confidence it needed to re-enter the market with s bang, they've invested a lot with RDNA, 5700/5700XT as value for money, high midrange/low high-end cards have done very well and I think they're taking their time to get the solution right, I mean, they don't want another VII happening again.

Of course, this is just how I feel, it could be BS of course

I think Lisa Su already said RX 5800 will be here around end of year or January.

 

[Hellfire]

I think Lisa Su already said RX 5800 will be here around end of year or January.

But will the 5800 be flagship high-end, competing with the 2080ti? I think it'll be the 5900 series to see the return to high end, I know they trademarked the name so we can expect some. Or maybe a non 5XXX name.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think Lisa Su already said RX 5800 will be here around end of year or January.

She said there are more products coming (like RX 5500), she didn't provide any specifics.

 

[Space Lynx]

She said there are more products coming (like RX 5500), she didn't provide any specifics.

She said "very soon" that is direct quote. That could mean a lot of things though, but I doubt it means 6 months out.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

But will the 5800 be flagship high-end, competing with the 2080ti? I think it'll be the 5900 series to see the return to high end, I know they trademarked the name so we can expect some. Or maybe a non 5XXX name.

I think Arcturus, especially if it has the alleged 8192 stream processors, will have a different marketing name like how Vega 20 ended up being Radeon VII. There will probably be a RX 5800 and maybe an RX 5900 but I can't see anything coming out of Navi that has that many stream processors. RX 5800 would probably land between RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 where RX 5900 could be somewhere between RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Super. Navi doesn't have enough hardware resources to reach RTX 2080 Ti.

She said "very soon" that is direct quote. That could mean a lot of things though, but I doubt it means 6 months out.

RX 5500 came out "very soon."

 

[Hellfire]

I think Arcturus, especially if it has the alleged 8192 stream processors, will have a different marketing name like how Vega 20 ended up being Radeon VII. There will probably be a RX 5800 and maybe an RX 5900 but I can't see anything coming out of Navi that has that many stream processors. RX 5800 would probably land between RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2080 where RX 5900 could be somewhere between RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Super. Navi doesn't have enough hardware resources to reach RTX 2080 Ti.


RX 5500 came out "very soon."

Wishful thinking that we could see a 5900xt match or surpass a 2080ti :-(

I don't see Arcturus becoming consumer led for a long time, if at all, as had been said it's enterprise level hardware currently from what has been speculated and announced. I do miss competitive high end AMD cards, when was AMD last at the high end table?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

All of the Vega cards are enterprise yet AMD released variants for consumers because they didn't want to lose that market segment to NVIDIA. The only way Arcturus won't come to consumers is if Navi challenges most or all of NVIDIA's product stack. Even then, I could still see AMD launching a halo product like NVIDIA Titan based on Arcturus.

 

[Hellfire]

All of the Vega cards are enterprise yet AMD released variants for consumers because they didn't want to lose that market segment to NVIDIA. The only way Arcturus won't come to consumers is if Navi challenges most or all of NVIDIA's product stack. Even then, I could still see AMD launching a halo product like NVIDIA Titan based on Arcturus.

Very true, but timings, it won't be as soon as people may think.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Oh yeah, RTX 2080 Ti isn't what Arcturus is aiming for, it's RTX 3080 Ti. Arcturus will likely have consumer variants.

 

[londiste]

Wishful thinking that we could see a 5900xt match or surpass a 2080ti :-(

2080Ti is 40-50% ahead of 5800XT. 4096SP (64CU) RDNA would be 60% larger than Navi10/5700XT. Clocks would have to come down noticeably to resemble the 250W envelope but close enough. Add a little boost from 7N+ process and beating 2080Ti is doable.

Again, speculating on the 64CU part.

 

[Vayra86]

Choo choo, looks like another round of hype train of AMD flagship GPU coming up again.

From the original post translated:

"AMD's 7nm Navi family already has two series of RX 5700 and RX 5500. It is mainly positioned in the market of 3,000 yuan or less. High-end graphics cards lack the power products after the retirement of Radeon VII. However, rumors that AMD has been developing "N card" killers, the latest news also shows that the future Arcturus (Great Horn) will have 8192 stream processor units, the performance is more than three times the Radeon VII. For Arcturus GPUs, there is no specific specification information in HWInfo, but information from other sources shows that Arcturus will have 8192 stream processor units, which is twice the size of the Vega core. The Arcturus GPU is also uncertain about whether the RDNA generation or the RDNA second generation architecture is used, but even with the first generation, considering the 1.5 times performance per watt of the RDNA architecture, the performance of the Arcturus GPU can be achieved. Three times the Radeon VII graphics card, and considering that the performance of the Radeon VII can reach the RTX 2080 level, the performance of the Arcturus GPU graphics card is scary!"

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One of the famous "leaker" named "wjm47196" also confirmed partially that at least Arcturus will feature 8192 SP probably on 7nm

IMO it is probably fake. What do you think? All aboard the hype train one more time, or nah?

Did you pre order yet? Maybe theyll throw in a Fury for good measure

This is as fake as it gets, or so far out we shouldnt care. Best case scenario: another 295x2. Yay?

 

[silentbogo]

I'm not sure if it's doable even on 7nm+ and even for enterprise. Just look at current offerings: RX5700XT is a 225W card with "mere" 2560 SPs.
Upcoming flagship ain't gonna be much different that Navi in terms of drastic changes to arch, so even if they manage to squeeze out the last perf/W out of Navi and drop the power draw by 25-30%, just doubling CUs to 80 will put this card over 300W. 128CUs (8192SPs) will be in a ballpark of 500W.
Plus, as far as I understand, Arcturus is not arch, but AMD's codename for a specific GPU. Though, as much as all mass media brainlessly refers to it, I think AMD will have no choice but to name it "Arcturus" upon release.

 

[ShurikN]

Did you pre order yet? Maybe theyll throw in a Fury for good measure

This is as fake as it gets, or so far out we shouldnt care. Best case scenario: another 295x2. Yay?

Until they can fix the issues of quasi crossfire, another 295x2 ain't happening for desktop.

 

[HD64G]

2 dies on it with IF to connect them, HBM2 and used only for data centers. Possible for sure.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

My understanding of this is that it will be a compute focused GCN (vega-sucessor) based system, possibly not even capable of graphics rendering.