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1080 is 20-25% faster than 1070, yet they're both same tier in your view. 1080Ti is 25%-30% faster than 1080 but it's a tier higher. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but a lot of things don't click in your theory as much as you would like to make it seem like they're so very obvious. And they are kind of basic things too.
 

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1080 is 20-25% faster than 1070, yet they're both same tier in your view. 1080Ti is 25%-30% faster than 1080 but it's a tier higher. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but a lot of things don't click in your theory as much as you would like to make it seem like they're so very obvious. And they are kind of basic things too.

His theory is based off of something that is a hard fact. GPU die size, there is no feelings attached to that like seem to be attached to your opinion. If you really want to play games GP100 should have been the enthusiast level chip released to us for Pascal, but since AMD didn't deem it necessary to provide a GPU this go around we were stuck with just GP102.
 
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1080 is 20-25% faster than 1070, yet they're both same tier in your view.

They are the same god damn GPU. They fall without question in the same tier. You didn't even bother to pay attention to that fact that I specifically used GPU codenames in my explanation not the cards themselves , as it is pretty obvious that if say , GP102 is the most capable GPU Nvidia makes all the products based on it fall in the same "high end" category.

And they are kind of basic things too.

Can it possibly get any more basic than the one stated above ? I just gave you an example with Fermi as to how Nvidia names their GPUs according to what they can manufacture and how they classify them in relationship to that. If you think that there is no reason for that , then quite frankly there isn't much I can discuss anymore.
 
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How do you classify 1060 then ? Low-end ?
So you've got low-end at $250 msrp, but the jump to mid-range is 100% the price (1080 at $400) and 1.71x performance, while the jump from mid-range to high-end is just 40% more money for 1.35x performance. The difference between low-end and mid-range is now more than twice as much price premium and performance gain than mid-range to high-end.
I know chip classification is something you're gonna cling to no mattter what but this is just stupid.
 
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Already explained , not going to spend any more time.
 
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No, you explained nothing. You just copied chip numbers and though it can pass as an explanation.
 
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You ignore any sensible argument as usual and choose to remain oblivious.

Not my problem.
 
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No, I do get your what your point is, 100%. I just think it's plain wrong. As for sensible arguments, I don't see any in what you posted.
 
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Sure , Nvidia and the entire industry are a bunch of idiots who name their GPUs randomly with no meaning behind.
 

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How do you classify 1060 then ? Low-end ?
So you've got low-end at $250 msrp, but the jump to mid-range is 100% the price (1080 at $400) and 1.71x performance, while the jump from mid-range to high-end is just 40% more money for 1.35x performance. The difference between low-end and mid-range is now more than twice as much price premium and performance gain than mid-range to high-end.
I know chip classification is something you're gonna cling to no mattter what but this is just stupid.
Dude, it’s not what he “clings to.” It’s how Nvidia themselves classify their chips. Yes, the gaps between tiers are not even, and rise exponentially in price. That’s about selling for as much as the manufacturers can get away with at given price points, based on customers perceptions of corresponding performance.

As to why he won’t tell you what the classification of GTX 1060 is, it’s because he already told you the chip classifications. If you are unable to look that up though, I will help. It is mid-tier.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
So, is Vega is all enthusiast? Mainstream? 56 and 64 are, for all intents and purposes, the same chip.... as much as gp104 is the same for 1080/1070ti/1070, right? Just different clusters active, etc?

Performance and sku name has to be a consideration in CONSUMER classification of cards. 99% of users have no idea of the core names and have to go by name and position in the product stack as far as how to classify the card. So, i see the logic behind the core name segmentation, but i also see the market doesnt look at it that way because it cant. You ask someo e if gp100 is faster than gp104, most will pick the latter as it is a bigger number. So sure NVIDIA may classify things internally, bht there is clearly more grey area for the consumer.

What post was it that listed the pascal gpus cores? What are the tiers for all 5?

What about kepler and its 6 tiers (4 of which are gk1xx, 2 of which are gk2) and its 7 cards? What are each tier's name there?
 
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Performance and sku name has to be a consideration in CONSUMER classification of cards. 99% of users have no idea of the core names and have to go by name and position in the product stack as far as how to classify the card.
Thanks for reinforcing! I know I said the same thing earlier.

@cucker tarlson why is this such a big deal? Why the need to attach a classification to your card? Does it work? Does it produce all the images you want at the performance you want? If it does, great....you’ve got an excellent card.
 
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Well why is anything a deal ?
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I personally break it down into three categories...enthusiast, mainstream, and budget. For NVIDIA'S current crop of cards....ignoring pro cards.

Enthusiast - Titan (flagship - blurs lines of consumer and pro), 1080ti, 1080, 1070ti.
Mainstream - 1070, 1060
Budget - 1050ti, 1050, 1030 etc...

Obviously that will change if someone comes up with 4 categories.... so in the end it really depends. We dont have a concrete way to divide it out as everyone has a different number and names for categories... so, enjoy talking in circles. :)
 

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In fairness to all posts so far, the semantic merry go round here is irrelevant.

GP100 > GP102> GP104 > GP106

But GP100 is not a consumer card, it's HPC only but it's still Nvidia's flagship (well was until Volta).

GP102 exists as a myriad of forms, Prosumer, Titan and 1080ti (except 1080ti is a little gimped).
GP104 exists as three main cards, 1080/1070/1070ti - all in various gimpage.
GP106 etc etc etc.

Mixing descriptive terms (Performance/flagship/high end) is very misleading as they mean different things to different people.

This is a tech forum where something described as mainstream really means nothing. Mainstream is simply a place on the heirarchy such that few people have flagships and many have budget. Everything in between can be considerd on a spectrum. If a 1080ti for some ridiculous reason was sold at the same price as a budget card and then more people owned the 1080ti - it would then be considered mainstream and flagship consumer gpu. Quanitites of ownerhip equate a far higher relevance to the heirarchy (depending on language used).

Context is very relevant in this ongoing argument. Is it a technology flagship? Or are we discussing volume of ownership?
 
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No, I do get your what your point is, 100%. I just think it's plain wrong. As for sensible arguments, I don't see any in what you posted.

You are looking way too blindly at the short term and you include the marketplace and its insanity in your conclusions. But those arent even up for discussion here! Price?? NOT relevant. The market determines the price, if mining proved one thing, it is exactly that... We have seen times where a 1070 would almost be the same price as a cheap 1080...

1080 - 1070, same chip, different memory, and yes, bigger perf gap than ANY GEN before it. But now take a long look at the 970 vs 980: 10-15% perf gap, that is 54 verus 60+ FPS, a gap many gamers will barely even notice. This is why everyone shunned the 980 back then. Or Kepler: 670 vs 680, exact same story...

Speaking of Kepler, did you guys for once consider that if only the x80ti is 'high end', that Kepler has never had it anyway?? And that even Kepler V2 shoved a GK100 into the stack as a 780 AND a 780ti?? Think on that one for a while. Really.

And on top of all the misguided thinking in the past few pages, nobody even considered the slew of cards below the 1060.. but there is a whole segment under there, called entry/low end. Your/everyone's personal metrics about price, budgets, resolution or quality levels do not apply here, y'all are arguing points that the manufacturers themselves have never put up for discussion at any given point in time. Its hilarious, and its really really silly. A product stack simply is what it is, and neither time nor personal opinion really affects it. You can deviate from this however you like but all it does is display a lack of industry knowledge.
 
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WCCFtech, LOL... Interesting article.

I do believe that it will be higher... $999 at most.


7950 was like 10% slower than a 7970 and priced at $449 MSRP. How is that not high end, one card down??? Is the 1080 not high-end compared to the 1080ti??? I don't get that logic.

Well aint those peeps smart lol. predicting high prices for the next nVidia card. Well unless nVidia can actually find away around the mining that is which i cannot see happening as a sale is a sale in the end.
 
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This was pretty much expected. Prices have been climbing for a few generations, irrespective of mining.

I just paid $840 for my 1080 Ti... it sucks but I tried console gaming, and I can not stand that blurry mess. I am fine with paying $200 over MSRP, it should last me a solid 3 years as I have a ton of older backlog games that this card will max out at 120 fps 120hz 3440 x 1440, first up is the Dragon Age and Dead Space trilogies. this card should be able to do 120hz at that rez for all 6 games... then i still have ton of backlog on top of that. so i am content :D

Sorry for off topic you can PM me if you like, how do you like 3440 x 1440? Assuming it is the panel in your sig, did you have an IPS before and how does the image quality compare for the VA panel?
 

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Well aint those peeps smart lol. predicting high prices for the next nVidia card. Well unless nVidia can actually find away around the mining that is which i cannot see happening as a sale is a sale in the end.
By the sound of it, NVIDIA will release mining specific cards without video outputs and cheaper prices which should tempt miners away from regular cards.

I also suspect that the GPU may be tuned more for compute as well (hence Ampere/Turing rumours) which might help to make better mining cards too. This last bit is my personal speculation from what I've read.

In the end, as much as flogging lots of cards to miners helps NVIDIA's bottom line, it's a much more volatile market than the gaming one, so it's in their interest to protect it and I think they will. One of their reps made a statement to this effect that I saw reported somewhere.
 

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By the sound of it, NVIDIA will release mining specific cards without video outputs and cheaper prices which should tempt miners away from regular cards.

I also suspect that the GPU may be tuned more for compute as well (hence Ampere/Turing rumours) which might help to make better mining cards too. This last bit is my personal speculation from what I've read.

In the end, as much as flogging lots of cards to miners helps NVIDIA's bottom line, it's a much more volatile market than the gaming one, so it's in their interest to protect it and I think they will. One of their reps made a statement to this effect that I saw reported somewhere.

Only way that is useful is if the cards are available through regular venders. Otherwise every small to medium miner will just buy gaming cards since they cannot get cards from venders that have minimum order quantities of 100-1000.
 

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Only way that is useful is if the cards are available through regular venders. Otherwise every small to medium miner will just buy gaming cards since they cannot get cards from venders that have minimum order quantities of 100-1000.
Yes of course, but I can't see why they wouldn't. I'll bet they sell them in singles and also bundles at discount prices too. How many are in a typical rig? Perhaps that will be the size of the bundle.
 

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Yes of course, but I can't see why they wouldn't. I'll bet they sell them in singles and also bundles at discount prices too. How many are in a typical rig? Perhaps that will be the size of the bundle.

6/8/12 is normal. Microcenter carried 470 mining cards from power color for a short term, but that was it and they never got them back. Newegg only seems to have them third party.
 

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This was pretty much expected. Prices have been climbing for a few generations, irrespective of mining.
Actually, really not so much. Until mining it was pretty stable:

I remember also buying almost as soon as released for near that.

Really, high end prices have not gone up much over the years (other than the current mining markup). Factor in inflation, and that 2006 8800GTX was probably more expensive than 1080 today.

Fluffmeister actually found a chart which tracks it all, accounting for inflation:
Yeah Hexus covered this last year:


https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphic...price-history-high-end-nvidia-gpus-tabulated/
 
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Great chart and certainly not what I expected.

Still, with the exception of the 8800 Ultra and 285 there is a rather clear shift from $400 - $500 to $500 - $600+. I still think the general trend has been going up but just not as drastic as I thought.
 

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By the sound of it, NVIDIA will release mining specific cards without video outputs and cheaper prices which should tempt miners away from regular cards.

I also suspect that the GPU may be tuned more for compute as well (hence Ampere/Turing rumours) which might help to make better mining cards too. This last bit is my personal speculation from what I've read.

In the end, as much as flogging lots of cards to miners helps NVIDIA's bottom line, it's a much more volatile market than the gaming one, so it's in their interest to protect it and I think they will. One of their reps made a statement to this effect that I saw reported somewhere.

Ok lets go with what your saying, that nVidia do come out with cheaper cards for mining, how they going keep up with the demand ?, as isn't that the issue now ?.
 
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