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Russia unveils new fleet of 'invisible' supersonic fighter jets

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    The £120million Sukhoi-57, which will have a top speed of 1,615 mph, is said to rival America's F-22 and China's Chengdu J-20,

    Kremlin officials say the fifth-generation stealth jet has been 'christened like a baby after its birth' as Su-57 and will undergo another year of testing before it enters military service in 2019


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    The plane was called 'PAK FA' and 'T-50' during its developmental stage. Russia says the Su-57 will use state-of-the-art stealth technology to make it hard to track on enemy radars.

    According to Newsweek, the jet will carry K-77M missiles with a reported range of 125 miles. The U.S. AIM-120D Scorpion has a shorter range of about 100 miles.

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    In 2015, it was reported that it will be able to fly at a maximum altitude of 20 kilometers with top speeds of 2,600 kilometers per hour.

    Russia's state military aviation manufacturer has previously claimed the jet will be cheaper to produce than its US equivalent with units costing less than £120million.

    The country's armed forces will receive an initial batch of 12 of the aircraft, Tass reports.


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    The Sukhoi Su-57 is a stealth, single-seat, twin-engine jet multirole fighter aircraft designed for air superiority and attack roles. The aircraft is the product of the PAK FA, a fifth-generation fighter programme of the Russian Air Force. Wikipedia

    Top speed: 2,500 km/h
    Range: 5,500 km
    Length: 20 m
    Wingspan: 14 m
    Weight: 18,500 kg
    Unit cost: 50,000,000–100,000,000 USD
    Engine types: Saturn AL-41, Saturn AL-31, Turbofan


     
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    20 years behind the US. Man I miss old Russian advancements they used to hang/beat American tech. WTF happen.
     
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    When they relied on state sponsored industrial espionage you mean?
     
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    Hmmm, I can't see these invisible jets in the pictures, just blue sky. Can you please clarify Caps?
     
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    20yrs .... really .... :laugh:

    nonetheless the PAK-FA is not really new, tho the fleet is new indeed .... (production date of the SU-57 PAK-FA : 2009 till present) well at last that one is beautiful (dunno ... i don't like at all the F-22 or 35)

    btw it's still called PAK-FA .... it tend to stick to it, but it passed from T-50 to SU-57 as official designation.

    bound to happen .... pfahahahahah .... come'on, i know you know why :p :roll:
     
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    if you sit really close to your screen you will see this in the background

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    Ah, yes!

    That's pretty nifty flying right there.
     
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    what the .... is that a cobra-hybrid-barrel-roll? o_O ..... and that's not even a last gen fighter (Su-27 Sushka?) and has no vectorial thrust ....

    no wonder the Sushka is labelled as "supermaneuverable" not bad for a 80s plane .... pfahahahaha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev's_Cobra Russian have always been known to be quite ... crazy in term of plane handling :D

    oh well i might have a bias for Soviet/Russian planes .... even if my country's main plane is the F/A-18 Hornet :laugh:
     
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    this is "su-35". ptototype for testing AL-41F1S.
    you cant do this w/o vector
     
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    Dorset where else eh? >>> Thats ENGLAND<<<
    So they don't plan to combat test it (North Korean Airspace Soon comes to mind )
    Guess that's not practical to test if there is only an initial batch of 12
     
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    its pronounced Wector, Vector is someone's uncle.:kookoo:
     
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    Dorset where else eh? >>> Thats ENGLAND<<<
    sorry your wrong >>>>Victor is someone uncle
    IN English the V is pronounced as V with some languages ie German V is Accented into being pronounced as a w
    and relevant to thread on Vectored Thrust
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring
     
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    someone missed the joke...:banghead:
     
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    well the Su-27 was capable of cobra thought i wonder if it didn't had vectorial nozzle .... afaik the Su-30 MKM (2002) have them

    well yep the Su-30 MKM has it


    the Sushka design is still a marvel :) (20yrs behind ....LOL...)

    the prototype of the Su-35 didn't have the canard wing, i see ....


    wrong ... Victor is a beauty of the RAF .... :p (ok the term beauty is subjective ... tho i find it utterly beautiful )

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    su 27 has no vector or wector (pick whatever you like :)) and yes it is capalbe of cobra even w/o it.
    the one from the caps' gif is "su-35" moded su 27 for testing vector trust engines. show off from gif is not possible w/o vector trust.
    russians made a lot of mods of su 27 for testing aeordinamics and new tech and gave different names of every mod so it looks like they have something new while they acctualy had only same old su 27.
     
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    yeah i know that now .... i did some research ... i am a warplaneaholic .... (albeit i was affected to "panzer division" during my army time ... yearning to fly .... stuck on the ground .... :laugh: ) and indeed if that Su-35 was looking like an actual Su-35 i wouldn't have mistaken it for a Su-27 (since the airframe is the Su-27 original without the canard ) but i forgot about the prototype .... thanks for the heads up :toast:

    i'm a sucker for airshows and YEEEEE AWWW one is planed in September at the local military airfield of Sion (the capital of my canton, a bowshot from where i actually live )


    as for plane design .... even if i am a huge fan of Soviet/Russian plane design (oh god the Mig 25 and 31 ...) WELL none of the 5th gen has beaten the SAAB JAS 35 Draken
    draken.jpg maxresdefault.jpg
     
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    After 1:30.
    Heard about a Romanian fighter pilot doing it in the MiG-21, but have not seen video proof of it.

    As to the SU-57 hope we never see it going against F-22.
    Wrong, that is airplane p0rn.
     
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    yep :D me too ... i love warplane .... but in airshow and demonstration ... war isn't my blast ... unless in a video game/simulation :D

    AYE DRAKEN MY LOVE! i had a full set of airplane card (the one with picture classification on the front and technical data on the back) and the Draken was one i would never put in the box with the other ...

    even without video i would believe it .... after all many talented pilots are around the world (i am quite proud of Swiss F/A-18 demo ... i did hear quite some time they are beyond good, by many visitor of the local airshow, and Axalp live demo, from a lot of country )
     
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    come to Wales for a free show, its not often you get the chance to look down on a fast jet but you can do it in the northern valleys of Wales



     
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    :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

    what i always wanted to see is :



    in Switzerland free airshow .... is common, funny moment is when my door poped open by a loud bang and vibration .... i thought is was thunder .... but the day was clear.... next day in the newspaper : F/A-18 test above Aletsch glacier at Mach 1+



    what i love with Switzerland : we got the DH. 115 Vampire, DH. 112 Venom, Hawker Hunter (i love that one ... the quadruple Aden 30 sound is .... *no words* ) Hawk F-5 Tiger II and now F/A-18 (next one ... i doubt it will be the JAS 37 Grippen but there were talk about acquiring some .... i forgot the other plane it was put against .... iirc the Dassault Rafale was one of them )

    thanks to Breitling we have a Super Constellation and a PBY Catalina flying at the airshow (among other legends like the Supermarine Spitfire ... or a duo with a Hawker Typhoon and a Hunter was marvellous ) or the formation with 9 Pilatus PC-7 in delta in front of a F/A-18 during a low speed low pass ...

    trailer for the 2017 edition .... GOD i just want to put my life in fast forward ....


    my own small sequence at the 2011 edition (crappy digital camera ... Canon SX100iS)


    also, did you notice something funny ? the Swiss F/A-18 is the naval version .... i has the tailhook and the front landing gear catapult attachment point
    Fa-18c.hornet.j5003.swissaf.jpg
    great for our next gen aircraft carrier operating on high altitudes lake.... wait ....

    @ne6togadno .... Axalp 2015 ... aka: mountain dancing ;) i've found a neat section of a video that has a nifty maneuver from a swiss F/A-18 (i suck at chain screenshoting ... tho ... )
    Webp.net-resizeimage (1).gif
     
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    from funny to funnier ... i can't say if serious or sarcastic ...

    oh well i guess US army did have thrust vectoring jet beyond prototype stage before the Russian did the Su-30 MK (2002 mass production)

    the F-22 and F-35 are actually not really in advance over any other country's concurrent (including France .... the Rafale is actually Stealth capable just as the F-22 and also a upgrade/retrofit type like the Su-35/MiG-29SMT) well they were developed to counter the Su-27 Sushka and MiG-29 Fulcrum (Fulcrum is NATO designation, unlike Sushka for the Su-27, but was adopted by Russians pilot since the definition "a thing that plays a central or essential role in an activity, event, or situation" is quite adapted to the MiG-29 ) respectively introduced in 1985 and 1982 .... sooooo yep 1985 to 2005 = indeed 20 ... but not for the side you think it is :p (being nice i would rather say 3yrs since the Su-30 MK was 2002) obviously they didn't stop with the Sushka and modified the hell out of it (retrofit are cheaper and sometime just as efficient as a totally new design) the Fulcrum also got some upgrades in form of the MiG-29M and MiG-29SMT and MiG-35 (upgrade package, retrofit) both will be replaced by the Su-57

    if going be "years behind" in favor of the USA ... well actually the Su-57 is only 12yrs "behind" (rather 5 .... 1st production unit was 2010 )tho the 4th generation could still hold their ground to the 5th (luckily the pilot play a good portion of the plane performances)

    actually technologies used on the 4.5th and 5th gen russian jet (Su-35 and Su-57) where developed for and with the Su-47 Berkut in 1997 (first flight .... completed in 1992-3 iirc) too bad it didn't enter in production but, hey, still helped for the Su-35 and Su-57...
    Sukhoi_Su-47_Berkut_(S-37)_in_2001.jpg Zhy9j.jpg

    btw the X-29 doesn't coun't.... it was not in the same league as the Berkut and the only thing they have in common is the FSW

    i might have a bias for Russian design (and Swedish) but i consider all planes as equally good, i have more respect for the pilots .... and not only during wartime

    your disappointment is unjustified :p

    talking about pilot ....


    and yep US planes are also a piece of work ... our F/A-18 can do marvels


    the famous vid where i took the frames for the gif : at 6:05


    last word: F-35 Lightning II : Yakovlev Yak-141 americanised? ;) (design from 1987)
     
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    Wow, the Su-57 is so beautiful :wub:
     
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    I agree. As a whole Russian aircraft are so beautiful :)
     
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