i never ever claimed GT200b was a new GPU, its a shrink, no more, no less. like i said, we "know" (from preliminaries) it performs the same as a 4870 at that speed, so really, what does it bring to the table except for higher speeds (which arent to be downplayed, everyone loves faster gear) whatever changes have been made on the CHIP serve to facilitate this speed, clock for clock we are seeing no benefits. as you say its a different GPU carrying the same specs, so pretty much the same deal as GT200 to GT200b except in place of a shrink we have some minor tweaks. I am a huge fan of the competition, and it would be nice to see this card force nvidias hand on pricing or a new card. and @ Steevo, get used to it man, the better part of us are irrational when it comes to hardware. ATi lovers will always think their new unreleased GPU will tear nvidia limb from limb and it never really does, they compete well, as they should. just as nvidia fanboys think they can hold the crown forever, they cant, and it wouldn't be fun if they did.