RX 470 and Q6700 or GTX 1050 Ti and Q6700

MrDarkwraith · Mar 14, 2017

I know that the RX 470 is infinitely better then the 1050 Ti, but the issue is that I don't want extreme bottlenecking. How much of a hit will the RX 470 take if I paired it with a Q6700. I can't overclock it with my motherboard as far as I know. Or should I go used and get something better but won't bottleneck anything. If so, what do you recommend. About my previous forum post, the 780 is rip.

*PCIe 2.0

jboydgolfer · Mar 14, 2017

"infinitely"?

20% more like it.

regardless of bottlenecking, i wouldnt recommend buying a cheaper GPU just to avoid it, what about buying the better GPU, then down the road upgrading CPU?that P.O.S. CPU needs to go anyway....upgrading that CPU to a modern CPU would be MUCH closer to an "infinitely" more powerful system

Ferrum Master · Mar 14, 2017

Flip a coin... both will do the job for 1080p... depends on the price...

I am more concerned about your PSU kicking the bucket soon also... you should make an upgrade plan... starting with a new case PSU and new GPU. Then do the jump on a new platform.

MrDarkwraith · Mar 14, 2017

jboydgolfer said:
"infinitely"?

20% more like it.

regardless of bottlenecking, i wouldnt recommend buying a cheaper GPU just to avoid it, what about buying the better GPU, then down the road upgrading CPU?that P.O.S. CPU needs to go anyway....upgrading that CPU to a modern CPU would be MUCH closer to an "infinitely" more powerful system

Eventually.

Ferrum Master said:
Flip a coin... both will do the job for 1080p... depends on the price...

I am more concerned about your PSU kicking the bucket soon also... you should make an upgrade plan... starting with a new case PSU and new GPU. Then do the jump on a new platform.

The RX 470 is $119.99 and so is the 1050 Ti. I want to buy the 470 but the Q6700 is an issue.

SL2 · Mar 14, 2017

MrDarkwraith said:
The RX 470 is $119.99 and so is the 1050 Ti. I want to buy the 470 but the Q6700 is an issue.

Well then you have no reason not to buy the 470? I don't get your reasoning.
The 470 might not be much faster than the 1050 Ti in your current system, but it will be faster when you upgrade later on.

470 it is.

Don't worry about your PSU, the 470 uses half the power of a 780. But yeah, at some point down the line you might want a new PSU.

Edit: Now I realize how old that PSU must be, maybe time to swap after all.. and then there's the question if your system has Dell proprietary PSU - motherboard connectors.

eidairaman1 · Mar 14, 2017

Q6700, you will be fine with the 470.

Before slaving in the new card ensure you have the most current motherboard bios, even if a beta bios is newer than that.

From what I am seeing, grab a 470 from Sapphire if not msi, or Asus for compatibility

MrDarkwraith · Mar 14, 2017

eidairaman1 said:
Q6700, you will be fine with the 470.

Before slaving in the new card ensure you have the most current motherboard bios, even if a beta bios is newer than that.

From what I am seeing, grab a 470 from Sapphire if not msi, or Asus for compatibility

I'll be buying a ASUS RX 470 from MicroCenter for $149.99 ($119.99 Rebate)

Mats said:
Well then you have no reason not to buy the 470? I don't get your reasoning.
The 470 might not be much faster than the 1050 Ti in your current system, but it will be faster when you upgrade later on.

470 it is.

Don't worry about your PSU, the 470 uses half the power of a 780. But yeah, at some point down the line you might want a new PSU.

Edit: Now I realize how old that PSU must be, maybe time to swap after all.. and then there's the question if your system has Dell proprietary PSU - motherboard connectors.

The PSU has both 6 pin connectors and I bought an Power SATA to 8 Pin (for the dead 780 :'( )

SL2 · Mar 14, 2017

MrDarkwraith said:
The PSU has both 6 pin connectors and I bought an Power SATA to 8 Pin (for the dead 780 :'( )

Sorry, I meant PSU - motherboard connector pinout. Many Dell systems have a different pinout, meaning that if you use a regular, non-Dell PSU you might fry the board.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/473555-dell-proprietary-psu-is-this-the-new-dell

http://www.tested.com/forums/please-help/452542-dell-proprietary-24-pin-connector/

MrDarkwraith · Mar 14, 2017

Mats said:
Sorry, I meant PSU - motherboard connector pinout. Many Dell systems have a different pinout, meaning that if you use a regular, non-Dell PSU you might fry the board.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/473555-dell-proprietary-psu-is-this-the-new-dell

http://www.tested.com/forums/please-help/452542-dell-proprietary-24-pin-connector/

The stock PSU should work fine. 525 watts. Motherboard is OTP412, (server motherboard) so I probably can't use a different PSU

Cvrk · Mar 14, 2017

MrDarkwraith said:
I know that the RX 470 is infinitely better then the 1050 Ti,

I'm a bit confused

And i recommend Ryzen 5 when it will come out with GTX 1070. But w8 for the reviews. So far Ryzen 1800x is looking good.

MrDarkwraith · Mar 14, 2017

MrDarkwraith said:
The stock PSU should work fine. 525 watts.

Al

Cvrk said:
I'm a bit confused

The RX 470 is better than the GTX 1050 ti

P4-630 · Mar 14, 2017

Buy the faster card and do a CPU+mobo+RAM upgrade later-on.

Cvrk · Mar 14, 2017

P4-630 said:
Buy the faster card

Fast - er (by comparison to something else inferior) maybe. Fast? Never. There is nothing fast about about Rx 480.... i beg to differ the 470.

Vya Domus · Mar 14, 2017

If you plan to upgrade the CPU/platform soon grab the RX470 it's definitely faster , if not take to 1050ti , Nvidia's DX11 drivers are easier on the CPU. Although I should mention it might be a little bit of downgrade from the 780 if you go the Nvidia route.

Yukikaze · Mar 14, 2017

The RX470 for 119.99$ is a steal. Grab it and forget about the GTX1050Ti. I mean, if it were 20$ cheaper, there might be a point to it, but as it is? RX470 all the way.

ASOT · Mar 14, 2017

That phenom bottlenecks heavy gpu,for amd gpus u need power cpu,nvidia on the other side can play well with amd cpu

EarthDog · Mar 14, 2017

ASOT said:
That phenom bottlenecks heavy gpu,for amd gpus u need power cpu, nvidia on the other side can play well with amd cpu

Can't say I buy this...

If I put an AMD card and NVIDIA card that perform close to the same, they will both lose some FPS when using an older gen AMD CPU. There really isn't a significant enough resource difference between the cards/drivers to warrant much of a difference outside of margin of error.

Or.. maybe I'm wrong.. got any links to support you?

MrDarkwraith · Mar 15, 2017

Vya Domus said:
If you plan to upgrade the CPU/platform soon grab the RX470 , if not take to 1050ti , Nvidia's DX11 drivers are easier on the CPU.

Yukikaze said:
The RX470 for 119.99$ is a steal. Grab it and forget about the GTX1050Ti. I mean, if it were 20$ cheaper, there might be a point to it, but as it is? RX470 all the way.

The rebated price of the RX470 is 120$
The actual price is 150$
http://www.microcenter.com/product/468281/Radeon_RX_470_ROG_STRIX_Overclocked_4GB_GDDR5_Video_Card

Mussels · Mar 15, 2017

Q6700 still has some power, relevant to a modern i3. especially overclocked they're still better than an AMD FX*

*1: With DDR3 ram
*2 If games dont need SSE 4.2 or newer

Due to the relatively 'weak' CPU, i recommend the Nvidia card as they've got lower driver overheads.

eidairaman1 · Mar 15, 2017

Mussels said:
Q6700 still has some power, relevant to a modern i3. especially overclocked they're still better than an AMD FX*

*1: With DDR3 ram
*2 If games dont need SSE 4.2 or newer

Due to the relatively 'weak' CPU, i recommend the Nvidia card as they've got lower driver overheads.

Only Orochi they do, Vishera compete with Haswell.

ASOT · Mar 15, 2017

@EarthDog Due to the relatively 'weak' CPU, i recommend the Nvidia card as they've got lower driver overheads.

Mussels got yout answer.
My RX 480 performs way better with Skylake then with FX and GTX 1060 performs better with FX then with RX480.

EarthDog · Mar 15, 2017

ASOT said:
@EarthDog Due to the relatively 'weak' CPU, i recommend the Nvidia card as they've got lower driver overheads.

Mussels got yout answer.
My RX 480 performs way better with Skylake then with FX and GTX 1060 performs better with FX then with RX480.

As i said, I'd love to see a link of this happening more than a negligible amount...I haven't heard of that before.

ASOT · Mar 15, 2017

Come here in Ro and i show to u ..what u want benckmarks,numbers score? Tell me ))))

EarthDog · Mar 15, 2017

From someone else who would be qualified to run such things...

ASOT · Mar 15, 2017

Then ask Intel and AMD to make some for u,Especially!

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