• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Ryzen 2700x OC air cooling and a scratched heatsync base.

Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#1
Hi all. I've been busting my ass installing and reinstalling my CPU cooler hoping to get better temps than I have been. Maybe my expectations are too high.


I replaced the stock cooler a) because it's really loud when it's effective and b) because I figured I could get more from a massive heatsync. Enter the Cooler Master MA620P. It's huge, It has good fans, and 6 heat pipes vs the 4 pipes on the stock cooler. Not to mention its almost 4x the surface area of the stock cooler.

In the end the temps Im getting arent as good as I expected...

As I remounted the cooler for the 4th time I decided to look closer. I did notice scratch/deformity in the base of the MA620p and I wondering if it's been part of the problem.

I should also mention that I've tried a few different methods of applying the TIM and Ive tried the included CM Master Gel and AS5.

What temps should I expect when running the CPUz stress test or Prime95 Small FFTs?



Here's a photo of the base for consideration.
 

Attachments

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
23,789 (5.69/day)
Likes
7,703
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
19,970 (4.53/day)
Likes
4,141
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply EVGA 500w 80 Plus :: Wounded Corsair CX600
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#3
That scratch looks nasty, but shouldn't really impact performance all that much unless it is deep enough to ruin the heatpipe. What are your before/after temps? Also, note that prime95 is pretty stressful (especially with AVX) so it'll cook your CPU pretty good. Here's two screenshots of coretemp: the first represents what I'd call "normal" load. It's just WCG at 100%. The second is prime95 (avx). Notice the ~30w higher power consumption and higher temps.
 

Attachments

Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#4
That scratch looks nasty, but shouldn't really impact performance all that much unless it is deep enough to ruin the heatpipe. What are your before/after temps? Also, note that prime95 is pretty stressful (especially with AVX) so it'll cook your CPU pretty good. Here's two screenshots of coretemp: the first represents what I'd call "normal" load. It's just WCG at 100%. The second is prime95 (avx). Notice the ~30w higher power consumption and higher temps.
Admittedly, I wasnt that thorough with recording before temps but I was monitoring them onscreen while gaming and benching. I can tell you what Im seeing now temp wise and it's only ~4-5c better than the stock cooler. Ignoring prime95 results... Running Cinebench @ 4.2 Ghz 1.35v I hit 85c and CPUz stress test looks to hit around the same.
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
23,789 (5.69/day)
Likes
7,703
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#6
Joined
Feb 2, 2015
Messages
2,181 (1.55/day)
Likes
1,829
Location
On The Highway To Hell \m/
#7
That'd be a big fat...NON-ISSUE...in my book. I mean...I probably wouldn't like it...but I'd get over the thought of it pretty quick. Because I'd bet it makes no measurable/observable difference whatsoever in terms of cooling performance. Shit...the surface finish on those pipes is HORRID anyway. Not that that matters too much either. But that little scratch can't be making things too much worse. Use some top of the line TIM and forget it.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#8
I agree, the finish quality of the whole base is quite poor.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
19,970 (4.53/day)
Likes
4,141
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply EVGA 500w 80 Plus :: Wounded Corsair CX600
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#9
What stock cooler, wraithripper? It's supposed to be quite good, but not sure how good exactly... I haven't seen any test that compares it to other coolers. Still, 85c is kinda scary... especially when we're talking cpuz "stress test" which doesn't push my system any harder than WCG, so even prime95 produces higher temps.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#10
Wraith Prism? Its not bad, just loud.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
19,970 (4.53/day)
Likes
4,141
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply EVGA 500w 80 Plus :: Wounded Corsair CX600
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#11
It doesn't look like it should only be 5c better than the Wraith Prism. Maybe the old cooler was throttling? IIRC, 4.2GHz @ 1.35v is quite a lot for these chips...
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2012
Messages
2,523 (1.15/day)
Likes
2,154
Location
Jyväskylä, Finland
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE @ 3.8/2.42GHz
Motherboard Asus M3N78 SE
Cooling Watercooled
Memory 4GB DDR2-800 5-5-5-12
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX 780 @ 1202/1750
Storage 256GB SSD + 500GB HDD + 2TB HDD
Display(s) 3x 1920x1080
Case Corsair Carbide Air 740
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster Z
Power Supply Super Flower Golden Green 500W
Mouse Logitech G400s
Keyboard Logitech G410
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores TS: 5128, FS: 14018
#12
A scratch doesn't matter much, if not at all. Never seen a direct touch heatsink to be lapped, those have always less or more scratches, that's not the problem.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#13
@hat No thottling on either cooler. I should mention my clocks were locked across all cores. No boosting of any nature. From what I've read some people and sites are needing 1.42v+ for anything over 4.2. I dont even think mines stable until 1.37v at 4.2. The gamers nexus article about Ryzens vcore to clock scaling is a good read.
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2016
Messages
1,475 (1.48/day)
Likes
1,623
Location
AK, USA
Processor Ryzen 5 2600X
Motherboard MSI B350M Gaming Pro
Cooling Scythe Kotetsu with AM4 bracket
Memory PNY Anarchy-X XLR8 Red DDR4 3200 MHz C15-17-17-17-35
Video Card(s) XFX RS RX 480 GPU @ 1288 MHz - 1.040 mV from 1.175 | GDDR5 @ 2075 MHz
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB, SanDisk Ultra II 480 GB
Display(s) IP2362 OCed refresh rate - 76Hz (Freesync supported over HDMI with CRU)
Case Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS)
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC887 (dead)
Power Supply EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse Kingston HyperX Pulsefire FPS
Keyboard Logitech K520
Software Windows 10 Professional 64-bit
#14
My Hyper 212+ had a nice sized gouge into one of the middle heatpipes and lapping looked as well done as OP.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#15
Looks like my last effort remounting the HS is producing better results but I need to test more before I decide to keep this unit or dump it for a 240/280 Aio.

I clocked down to 4ghz 1.29v and despit not breaking 55c while playing Destiny (fairly CPU intensive) I still feel like the heat from CPU isn't transferring to the HS very well, or as well as I hoped.
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
23,789 (5.69/day)
Likes
7,703
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
#16
Looks like my last effort remounting the HS is producing better results but I need to test more before I decide to keep this unit or dump it for a 240/280 Aio.

I clocked down to 4ghz 1.29v and despit not breaking 55c while playing Destiny (fairly CPU intensive) I still feel like the heat from CPU isn't transferring to the HS very well, or as well as I hoped.
The direct contact units tend to be uneven. Better to have a base plate model
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#17
You mean direct contact to the heat pipes vs having a solid block mounted to the his?
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
23,789 (5.69/day)
Likes
7,703
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
#18
You mean direct contact to the heat pipes vs having a solid block mounted to the his?
Solid block tends to stay even. Look at my cooler for example.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
3,987 (2.01/day)
Likes
2,414
Location
USA
#19
@TRIPTEX_CAN
If it were me, I'd get some 2000 grit sand paper and lap the bottom of it. However as is, it should not allow the CPU to get above the high 70's under load without an OC, unless your case has bad airflow, which based on your specs, it shouldn't. With your above stated OC, only liquid cooling is going to keep those temps below 80c under load. Drop your OC to 4GHZ and the voltage shouldn't need to go higher than 1.3ish volts which will drop your temps a decent margin.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#20
@lexluthermiester Thanks, I'll probably do that if I do decide to keep it.

Update: 4000mhz 1.3v, i ran prim95 small fft until temps leveled out and at stayed at 70c. I guess i cant say im disappointed with that. Ill be lapping the base anyway since its terrible looking. I cant imagine that it wont help even a little.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
19,970 (4.53/day)
Likes
4,141
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply EVGA 500w 80 Plus :: Wounded Corsair CX600
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#21
Be careful lapping HDT coolers. The pipes are thin and lapping them only makes them thinner... potentially not good things could happen.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
3,987 (2.01/day)
Likes
2,414
Location
USA
#22
Be careful lapping HDT coolers. The pipes are thin and lapping them only makes them thinner... potentially not good things could happen.
This is true, special care is required. However, with 2000grit sandpaper it should be ok.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
19,970 (4.53/day)
Likes
4,141
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 1866 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: none
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Onboard - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply EVGA 500w 80 Plus :: Wounded Corsair CX600
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#23
You won't be taking very much off with 2000 grit either, though... so it could still be quite scratchy.
 
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
3,367 (0.85/day)
Likes
737
Location
BC.CAN
Processor 2700x
Motherboard ASUS x470 prime
Cooling Fans
Memory gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX1080 mini
Storage 120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case CM HAF 932
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software Win 10
#24
I figured from the depth of that gouge without actually having penetrated the pipe there must be some thickness to the wall there either way even a minor superficial shining can be an improvement to that surface.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
3,987 (2.01/day)
Likes
2,414
Location
USA
#25
You won't be taking very much off with 2000 grit either, though... so it could still be quite scratchy.
If it's done with a wetting agent like water or a mild oil, 2000grit work really well. It just takes longer than 1500 grit would.

I figured from the depth of that gouge without actually having penetrated the pipe there must be some thickness to the wall there either way even a minor superficial shining can be an improvement to that surface.
That's what I was thinking too. Then again that gouge goes at an angle through the pipe so it might not be as thick as it appears.
 
Top