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Ryzen 3000 - B450, B450 MAX or X570

GrimLobster

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Located in Australia , budget around $1500 USD. Not planning to manually overclock at this stage and just using PC for gaming.

Looking at MSI 450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC but concerned about BIOS, some say it's ok. Very hard at the moment to find stock of the MAX boards - fine out of the box with Ryzen 3000 CPU's. Best I could find that's currently being sold in Aus is Tomahawk MAX. Just read that MSI will have ongoing updates/support regarding BIOS in future for MAX boards, whereas they won't cater to the old boards. Not sure how important that is but maybe a factor to consider. X570 boards an option.

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CPU
$238.90 @ OutletPC​
Motherboard
$157.89 @ OutletPC​
Memory
$134.99 @ Newegg​
Storage
$74.99 @ Adorama​
Video Card
$549.99 @ Amazon​
Case
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Power Supply
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Operating System
$99.89 @ OutletPC​
Monitor
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-$10.00​
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$1256.65
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Very simplified:

MSI 450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC - Best audio, network adapter included - features I want - may have ongoing BIOS issues with 3600X.

MSI 450 Tomohawk MAX - Not as good audio, around $20 USD cheaper than Gaming Pro - less or no BIOS issues with 3600X.

X570 boards - Around $70 USD more expensive than Gaming Pro Carbon AC at a minimum, depending on model the price will go much higher - less or no BIOS issues with 3600X.

- - Just wondering about people's experience with Ryzen 3000 with these specific B450 boards or the X570's? Or any advice?

Thanks a lot
 

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Get a B450 board certified for 3000 series and buy 3600 over 3600X.

Don't waste money on X570 for Ryzen 5.

Get NVME x4 SSD like 970 / 970 Plus over that SATA SSD.

I'd personally choose a EVGA, MSI or Asus GPU instead, but I guess that's subjective - My experience with Gigabyte has not been the best, their software is really bad (firmware too, most often).
 
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B450 Carbon if you manage to find it. Last BIOS update was on July 30th, that's week after non-Max Mortar/Tomahawk got theirs. Considering most people having issues with Mortar/Tomahawk had it on previous BIOS I'd say any issues with Carbon were similarly resolved with the latest update. YMMV.

In regards to your Win 10 Home OEM:
Haven't used it, but if TPU's running the ad for them I suppose it's safe. Win 10 Pro for $12 instead of a $100.

Ps.
You've got two topics basicly asking the same questions, over here and in System Builder's Advice.
 
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B450 Carbon if you manage to find it. Last BIOS update was on July 30th, that's week after non-Max Mortar/Tomahawk got theirs. Considering most people having issues with Mortar/Tomahawk had it on previous BIOS I'd say any issues with Carbon were similarly resolved with the latest update. YMMV.

In regards to your Win 10 Home OEM:
Haven't used it, but if TPU's running the ad for them I suppose it's safe. Win 10 Pro for $12 instead of a $100.

Ps.
You've got two topics basicly asking the same questions, over here and in System Builder's Advice.
Thanks a lot for the link will absolutely check it out.

Yes true, in system builder it was for overall build opinions then it became more specific to motherboards - thought I'd ask here too.

Good point though - should I delete this thread?
 
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I purchased something similar lately and I had to send back the motherboard, RAM compatibility issues (XMP issues to be precise) I opted for the X570 Aorus Elite just for future proofing and better VRM and a few other gimmicks. You can easily go for the B450 PRO Carbon as it has flasback bios so you will be able to update BIOS without a CPU installed.
 
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As long as the CPU support list includes the 3600(x) you can expect it to work or get your money back. I wouldn't worry about it over much.
 
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I have ryzen 3600 and MSI B450M mortar.

The BIOS is not finished yet!

RAID function is not available, the BIOS itself is stripped down.

I would buy MAX version because it has 64MB BIOS flash, so full featured BIOS.
 
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Don't get a non-MAX MSI motherboard for Ryzen 3000. Their BIOS is too small, so the updates end up removing functionality from the motherboard.

I personally believe that a person should spend the extra money and get a X570 motherboard, if purchasing a motherboard for a Ryzen 3000 build.
 
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I have ryzen 3600 and MSI B450M mortar.

The BIOS is not finished yet!

RAID function is not available, the BIOS itself is stripped down.

I would buy MAX version because it has 64MB BIOS flash, so full featured BIOS.
Good point, definitely check that all the functions you require are also available.
 
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I would get the X570. Just incase you want PCI-E 4.0 and future proof a CPU upgrade. I know you only need a Ryzen 5; but AMD could release a refresh with a speed bump and more cores down the line.
If your already spending $1300; I would find the best board you could.
And yea, save on that windows KEY, I've bought 15 keys from Ebay for like $2-$4; all have worked. No issues.
If you don't like that idea, get a old win 7 key; I think they are still activating good.
 
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I have never found the "cheap" chipsets to be worth the savings. First thing I always do is scroll down and look at the sound and LAN subsystems, usually it the cheapest of the cheap with ALC 88 or ALC892. By the time you work ya way up the B450 price tiers to get ALC 1220, you are up to something like the Gaming pro carbon and its $157... and now yoou are $2 short of a X570 board with ALC 1220 ... B450 for $2 ... doesn't seem logical.... if its a gaming box, why settle for 887 or 892 ?
 
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I paid $110 b450 gaming plus, $227 3600 and overclocked to 4.2 all cores 1.32v, you need a good cooling for it, 240 aio minimum. In your case, all depends on price, I would get the cheapest, do not use onboard audio, is a waste, buy a pcie sound card or an external amp audio.
 
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I would buy the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max but it's not available in my country yet, I don't understand why since it's been available in Germany for a month now.
 

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Hi there!
Ryzen 5 3600 / MSI B450m Mortar / Corsair LPX cl15 3000mhz 2x8gb / A-data XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB working great. I'm using a passive Power supply Seasonic platinum 400W and a Firepro W5100 grafic card; both are second hand. Budget under 650$.
Bios MB: A80 , no cpu OC, no game OC
RAM: OC to 3600mhz CL 16/18/18/40
Test results: https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=124860044495
and https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/19883762
Which CPU did you have before.
Anyone here coming from the 2500k overclocked?
 

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Which CPU did you have before.
Anyone here coming from the 2500k overclocked?
I'm currently use an i7 7700/z270/samsung 2x8gb 3466mhz/gtx1070/ samsung evo 960 M2.
The system with ryzen 3600 use less power with better result. In test for the moment for 3D, video.
 
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Kinda offtopic, but I've been wondering that could a non-MAX MSI motherboard be upgraded with a MAX bios chip? The boards seem to be identical otherwise.
 
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Kinda offtopic, but I've been wondering that could a non-MAX MSI motherboard be upgraded with a MAX bios chip? The boards seem to be identical otherwise.
From what I've read, it could, but you would have to remove de bios chip from the non Max motherboard and solder a 32mb one. Do you have the skills?
 
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From what I've read, it could, but you would have to remove de bios chip from the non Max motherboard and solder a 32mb one. Do you have the skills?
Yeah, I can handle a soldering iron :)

Totally forgot that these aren't socketed always like back in the day.
 
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If you're cool with voiding your warranty...
 
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If you're cool with voiding your warranty...
No problem with that. Now I just need to find a pre-flashed MAX chip somewhere.
 
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I wouldn't be so sure it's just a matter of replacing the BIOS chip since that wasn't the only upgrade. They also upgraded the USB, you get USB 3.2 instead of 3.1, I believe. Can't keep up with the ridiculous naming.
 
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I wouldn't be so sure it's just a matter of replacing the BIOS chip since that wasn't the only upgrade. They also upgraded the USB, you get USB 3.2 instead of 3.1, I believe. Can't keep up with the ridiculous naming.
The naming is hilarious, USB3.2 gen1 is still the same as USB3.0.

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I wouldn't be so sure it's just a matter of replacing the BIOS chip since that wasn't the only upgrade. They also upgraded the USB, you get USB 3.2 instead of 3.1, I believe. Can't keep up with the ridiculous naming.
From what I've read the only change is the bios chip.
 
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