Ryzen 3000, FCLK Issue

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

The Strix E is a pretty good board its just priced stupidly at its normal 330 price its way too close to the Hero. If priced at 300 usd or less it's a pretty good option and I would probably opt for it over the other similar priced boards if that were the case.

in your ryzen master screenshot your SOC Voltage seems stupidly high it should be 1.2v or less afaik.

that's manual 1.1v on bios to SOC.stupid ryzen master yay.

 

[Chomiq]

Must be something to do with ASUS or RM. On my X570 Elite voltages are shown correctly in RM, while yours and @sneekypeet have 0 or an incorrect value in some.

 

[sneekypeet]

Must be something to do with ASUS. On my X570 Elite voltages are shown correctly in RM, while yours and @sneekypeet have 0 or an incorrect value in some.

*shrugs* this is why I do not fall victim to looking at only one software suite for all of the answers.

 

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

Must be something to do with ASUS or RM. On my X570 Elite voltages are shown correctly in RM, while yours and @sneekypeet have 0 or an incorrect value in some.

ch8 and strix-e almost same.stupid asus but why is the rum gone? ahem i mean why hwinfo shows correctly?

 

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

Strix X570-E is no low end board. Just Asus messed up somethings with some boards, me thinks...
Also your board does not report VRM temps because they say that they couldn’t make the algorithm work properly and report an accurate value, so they block it. It’s a shame, although your board has quiet enough VRM pwr and efficiency that can handle 3950X without VRM cooling.
Asus have more X570 boards than any other vendor with strange feature combinations, making some boards (through the entire X570 line) irrelevant. Sorry to say, but your board is one of them.

The more time goes by, the more I think the Aorus X570 line may be the best overall.
The AorusPro X570 I have is a 230$ board right now and has things that Strix-E does not. The only thing missing is the debug code display, but I prefer not having it instead other.


Why 1.363V for SoC voltage? That is too much and could degrade I/O die in the long term.
Didn’t you try 1900:1900:1900?

i wrote to asus customer service and said even giga's low end board's have spread spectrum shame! and they said if there is none then none. i told my 12 years old foxconn mb memory like i've preparing an oc tournament but my nvidia chipset mb was broken and all i have is 780 chipset foxconn and bios is not proper because very cheap model.i wrote to foxconn and asked if they bring some features to bios.one week after they release a new bios and they gave the features.same period i bought a biostar 790g mb and it's superb but 1600 HT link not 1800.i wrote to biostar and they fixed right away.i said to asus there is a difference between being an asshole and proper company and they release new bios yesterday.i didn't try yet but if ss present or not it's a success is it not?

i was second because of mb of course because my rival has nvidia chipset. my cpu 35w sempron 3000 1.6@2.9 ghz and his sempron 3 i guess but higher TDP.at the end we're both using pci cards.mine was 2mb s3 virge.my cpu only sold in brazil and i have no clue my supplier where to find and sell Konya/Türkiye?Konya was nr1 about computer before online shopping.

i was wrong not 2.9. 3.1 maybe?this is that foxconn.wait this is 1.8 ghz this is my other sempron.man i'm too old for this.

 

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

Shall we continue now or shall we continue later?

As you know i wanted spread spectrum setting in the bios and asus release new bios 1407 but it hasn't. i've found unlocked 1405 bios but can't install because asus's tools denied.i've used usb flashback method and install it. it's hard you know. when i realize it require fat32 formatted usb3.0 disk but..

disabled spread spectrum and that's it... no voltage to anywhere. dimm voltage is 1.4v and i couldn't set cl14.

 

[evilhf]

I come to leave my contribution.
I tried in any way to operate with Infinity Fabric at 1900mhz, but it was not possible.
The Asus X570-E STRIX bios does not have the visible adjustment "SB spread spectrum".
However, with the AMIBCP program, I could verify that it is in bios 1407, but disabled.
I managed to edit the bios, but when saving the modified bios it loses the "capsule signature".
And both ezflash and biosflashback do not accept bios without "capsule subscription".
Looking in a forum I found a modified bios 1405 that had the setting "SB spread spectrum".
However I wanted to use bios 1407.
Here comes the trick!
I installed the modified 1405 bios, deactivated the "sb spread spectrum" in this bios and created a bios profile and saved it to a USB stick.
That done, I installed the latest original 1407 bios and ordered the profile reading saved from the modified 1405 with the sb spread spectrum setting disabled.
To my surprise it worked !!!
Although the spread spectrum adjustment is hidden, it is DISABLED!
I now have 99.98mhz of BCLK.
But my chip really can't work at 1900mhz, I've tried all the possibilities ...
The closest I could get was to catch BCLK at 101mhz, and memories at 3733mhz cl14 with infinity fabric at 1866mhz.
With 101mhz bclk the memory actually works at 3770mhz and the infinity fabric at 1885mhz, very close to the dream 1900mhz !!
I got an excellent latency in this configuration, and I am very happy.
Hope this helps!!

 

[Zach_01]

I come to leave my contribution.
I tried in any way to operate with Infinity Fabric at 1900mhz, but it was not possible.
The Asus X570-E STRIX bios does not have the visible adjustment "SB spread spectrum".
However, with the AMIBCP program, I could verify that it is in bios 1407, but disabled.
I managed to edit the bios, but when saving the modified bios it loses the "capsule signature".
And both ezflash and biosflashback do not accept bios without "capsule subscription".
Looking in a forum I found a modified bios 1405 that had the setting "SB spread spectrum".
However I wanted to use bios 1407.
Here comes the trick!
I installed the modified 1405 bios, deactivated the "sb spread spectrum" in this bios and created a bios profile and saved it to a USB stick.
That done, I installed the latest original 1407 bios and ordered the profile reading saved from the modified 1405 with the sb spread spectrum setting disabled.
To my surprise it worked !!!
Although the spread spectrum adjustment is hidden, it is DISABLED!
I now have 99.98mhz of BCLK.
But my chip really can't work at 1900mhz, I've tried all the possibilities ...
The closest I could get was to catch BCLK at 101mhz, and memories at 3733mhz cl14 with infinity fabric at 1866mhz.
With 101mhz bclk the memory actually works at 3770mhz and the infinity fabric at 1885mhz, very close to the dream 1900mhz !!
I got an excellent latency in this configuration, and I am very happy.
Hope this helps!!

You are lucky for 2 reasons
1. the board accepted a profile from different UEFI version
2. the differences between the versions are not essential and didnt cause issues

Gigabyte boards do not accept profiles made with other UEFI versions for safety reasons.
And I assume that you dont have any NVMe drives as these do not like much the PCI-E frequency OC that occur with BCLK increase.

And please fill you system specs in your profile for others (us) to be able to see it.

 

[evilhf]

Yes I have!
Samsung M2 NVME 970 evo plus.
Everything absolutely stable.
I've been using this bios setup for 3 weeks.
I have already done memory tests "memtest" and also stress tests like cinebench r20, aida FPU and prime95.
Everything absolutely stable.
This processor is amazing!

 

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

hey what did i said are you frigging kidding me?

62.9 with 3900x and cl14? loser!

 

[evilhf]

Linda latência!
Parabéns!!
Mas suas taxas de leitura e cópia são um pouco baixas em comparação com o relógio de 1900mhz.
Eu acredito que era para conseguir mais MB / S.
Escreva não diga porque 3700x tem meia banda.

 

[BossferatuEs]

for starters: ram controller in amd cpu's in the core but in 3000 series it's in IO not core.FCLK or infinity fabric is the bridge between IO and core.you have to set this settings 1:1 for example if you're set 3600 ram you'll set 1800 FCLK.but it's 1/2?no it's 1:1 because DDR means double data rate and 3600 isn't 3600 it's 1800.

set 3600 ram set 1800 FCLK, set 3733 ram set 1866 FCLK right?no problem.3000 series stable FCLK around 1800's.i can set 1900 FCLK but i have to voltage some weird named setting.if you're give much voltage pcie 4.0 m2's will affect and i have pcie 4.0 m2 so voltage is not an option.

my problem is my new gskill 4400 mhz kit can make 4400 but if i set auto FCLK it will be 1100 mhz.if i set manual 1800 mhz FCLK pc won't open.if you're using 1100 mhz FCLK with 4400 it's like 3600 mhz ram.

where is the problem mb's bios? or mb's ram limitiation(asus strix-e x570 4400 mhz support)? or ryzen 3000 limitation?thanks..

I would like to know wich is the BEST config to me having ryzen 5 5600 MSI x570 a- pro and 4xThermaltake thought RAM 4400 c19, reading the post i understand that leaving all in auto seting Up the MHz at 4000 i have 2000:1000:1800 could be this? IF Max speed is 1800 as i read somewhere else or i can get this rams at 1900:1900:1900 with decent timings?

 

[dont whant to set it"']

With 2 stick of ram , probably yes, at least my zen 3 build can do 4000MHz ramclock/(2000MHz 1-1-1) with the latest microcodes. But , as soon as I add the other 2 ram dimms , it does not train the ram above 3600MHz not even 3666MHz after increasing tensions and loosening timings.
Good luck.

 

[BossferatuEs]

With 2 stick of ram , probably yes, at least my zen 3 build can do 4000MHz ramclock/(2000MHz 1-1-1) with the latest microcodes. But , as soon as I add the other 2 ram dimms , it does not train the ram above 3600MHz not even 3666MHz after increasing tensions and loosening timings.
Good luck.

Maybe you have to Feed more those buses and rams with an extra voltage, my pc doesnt allow to run with 4 dimms at 4k MHz if i Didnt put manually the Dim voltage at 1.45

 

[Zach_01]

With Zen2/3 it’s not only DRAM voltage. Installing 4 dimms put more stress to UMC (Unified Mem Controller) that it’s placed inside the I/O Die (Called IOD or SoC) and the interconnection with cores is the Infinity Fabric (IF).
So in order to play with 4 dimms and high speeds you need to try increase the SoC voltage, the UMC (UCLK) voltage and the IF (FCLK) voltage.
It’s complicated and most possible to not be able to run 4 sticks above 1800MHz 1:1:1 no matter what the voltage. Even 1800MHz is questionable...

 

[BossferatuEs]

All those parameters i can modify on MB as i already Saw them, but, you suggest to me use only 2 dimms at 4ghz at. 2k:1:1? Safer and faster? What about decreasing bclk to get 19xx with 4 dimms?

 

[Zach_01]

2 sticks are easier to past 1800MHz, yet its not guaranteed either.

No benefit from decreasing BCLK and also this implicates other things too. Other buses with decrease also. Like PCI-E and the CPU speed it self.
I don’t understand how you think it would help.

Also, increasing SoC UCLK FCLK voltages needs care. You don’t just punch greater numbers. There are limits on those voltages to respect and to avoid IOD degradation.

 

[BossferatuEs]

2 sticks are easier to past 1800MHz, yet its not guaranteed either.

No benefit from decreasing BCLK and also this implicates other things too. Other buses with decrease also. Like PCI-E and the CPU speed it self.
I don’t understand how you think it would help.

Also, increasing SoC UCLK FCLK voltages needs care. You don’t just punch greater numbers. There are limits on those voltages to respect and to avoid IOD degradation.

Maybe is something about the resistance values of each dimm determinated in ohms, should inmodify them in order to get better voltage in each dimm?

 

[thesmokingman]

What's the issue with the Strix-E that it doesn't have spread spectrum? Did those who say this look in the right place??