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Whether that's what Navi 20 will be is a different matter but that's perfectly reasonable for a new GPU in the near future. 1080 had similar TDP to the 970 didn't it ? And it was twice as fast. It certainly wasn't as cheap as a 960 but that's Nvidia for you right there. :)
Yeah, and yet both RTX 2070 and RX 590 are 12nm, but the 590 is only competing with 1060 while running the same TDP as 2070. So nm are irrelevant when comparing AMD to nvidia.
 
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Yet we also have Intel releasing a gazillion sockets in less than 2 years that aren't all backward compatible or anything. Clearly there is a spectrum and the absurdity can go both ways.
I know you are exaggerating to make a point but Intel is releasing about one socket in 2 years.
2009 - 1156
2011 - 1155
2013 - 1150
2015 - 1151
2017 - 1151v2
 
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Yeah, and yet both RTX 2070 and RX 590 are 12nm
Different nodes, actually. TSMC vs GloFo and Samsung apparently. The number of nm means nothing these days really.
 
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I know you are exaggerating to make a point but Intel is releasing about one socket in 2 years.
2009 - 1156
2011 - 1155
2013 - 1150
2015 - 1151
2017 - 1151v2
I think some of the irritation is the different chipsets for each lake platforms, but really doesn't matter because there is little reason to upgrade CPU that frequently. Ironically some of the best clocks for the 8th gen were on jury rigged Z170 Formula OC.
 
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I know you are exaggerating
You are right I also meant to say chipsets because that's another way they make platforms obsolete. There is still no contest on how absurd it is however.

And it's not like AMD will stick to AM4 forever, I reckon Ryzen 3 will be the last generation to be backwards compatible. 3 generations (more like 2) is a perfect middle ground.
 
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Yet we also have Intel releasing a gazillion sockets in less than 2 years that aren't all backward compatible or anything. Clearly there is a spectrum and the absurdity can go both ways.
I don't think this is absurd. Just tricky.
With Intel you get to keep everything for longer (but the performance is going nowhere), with AMD you get goodies faster, but every upgrade costs you more $$$.
As for sockets, even if AMD provides backwards compatibility, they also release new CPUs alongside new chipsets. So you can reuse your motherboard, but you're still missing out on some features. Given a choice, I'd opt for AMD's approach. But since it's not flawless, you'll get some heat whatever you do.
 
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You are right I also meant to say chipsets because that's another way they make platforms obsolete. There is still no contest on how absurd it is however.
During the same time Intel has released pretty much one new chipset family per year. On the same socket older chipset boards do get compatibility for newer CPUs with BIOS updates.
That... actually matches quite exactly what AMD is doing. 300-series chipsets in 2017, 400-series chipsets in 2018, 500-series chipsets are coming in 2019.

It is not about right or wrong, the approaches are just different.

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And it's not like AMD will stick to AM4 forever, I reckon Ryzen 3 will be the last generation to be backwards compatible. 3 generations (more like 2) is a perfect middle ground.
Wait, are you saying you like Intel's approach on this better? :)
 
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During the same time Intel has released pretty much one new chipset family per year. On the same socket older chipset boards do get compatibility for newer CPUs with BIOS updates.
That... actually matches quite exactly what AMD is doing. 300-series chipsets in 2017, 400-series chipsets in 2018, 500-series chipsets are coming in 2019.
Not true, Z170, Z270, Z370 period they were physically locking out newer chips, which was bypassible https://community.hwbot.org/topic/175489-asrock-z170-mocf-lives-on-coffee-lake-mods/

Don't want to derail thread on this.

You are right I also meant to say chipsets because that's another way they make platforms obsolete. There is still no contest on how absurd it is however.

And it's not like AMD will stick to AM4 forever, I reckon Ryzen 3 will be the last generation to be backwards compatible. 3 generations (more like 2) is a perfect middle ground.
Sooner or later it will be DDR5 and then new mobo anyway.
 
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During the same time Intel has released pretty much one new chipset family per year.
The point is not all CPUs released are compatible with those. That's all that matters, hardly anyone chooses the socket/chipset first and the CPU afterwards. The chipset is irrelevant for most, they want the performance first and the chipset choice is incidental. That said the socket/chipset has been a much more limiting factor on the Intel side than on the AMD one.
 
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The point is not all CPUs released are compatible with those. That's all that matters, hardly anyone chooses the socket/chipset first and the CPU afterwards. The chipset is irrelevant for most, they want the performance first and the chipset choice is incidental. That said the socket/chipset has been a much more limiting factor on the Intel side than on the AMD one.
I do not get what you mean. All the CPUs released with the same socket regardless of chipset are compatible.
Why are Intel's sockets and chipsets more limiting?

By the way, there are functional differences with how Ryzen CPUs work on 300 and 400 boards. The leaks on Ryzen 3000 series are also saying Ryzen 9 will not work on old motherboards. Hoping these parts are not true though, I would love to have the 3800X on my B350 board :)

Not true, Z170, Z270, Z370 period they were physically locking out newer chips, which was bypassible https://community.hwbot.org/topic/175489-asrock-z170-mocf-lives-on-coffee-lake-mods/
Don't want to derail thread on this.
Remember all the talk about power consumption of Intel's 8000 and 9000 series CPUs? That actually backs up Intel on what they said was the reason for 1151v2.
High-end and OC motherboards may be fine with all this but Intel has to cover their ass with all the cheapo boards as well.
 
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Some examples maybe?
Coffe lake, Kaby lake and Skylake. All using the same LGA 1151 but not all compatible with all the boards that have that socket.
 
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I have confidence in AMD delievering on Zen2 due to their good track record since Zen launches. Not so much for RTG, also due to their recent products being lackluster
 

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Ryzen 4 will still be AM4. With any AM4 chipset as long as the manufacturer gives you an updated BIOS.
Meanwhile, on the blue side of the fence, I can't put a Pentium G4560 on a H310 motherboard because "improved VRM".

Id like to see a return of manual OC, so all cores run at 4.3+
P-State overclock?
 

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I do not get what you mean. All the CPUs released with the same socket regardless of chipset are compatible.
Why are Intel's sockets and chipsets more limiting?

By the way, there are functional differences with how Ryzen CPUs work on 300 and 400 boards. The leaks on Ryzen 3000 series are also saying Ryzen 9 will not work on old motherboards. Hoping these parts are not true though, I would love to have the 3800X on my B350 board :)

Remember all the talk about power consumption of Intel's 8000 and 9000 series CPUs? That actually backs up Intel on what they said was the reason for 1151v2.
High-end and OC motherboards may be fine with all this but Intel has to cover their ass with all the cheapo boards as well.
Intel forces you to upgrade board and cpu.

Ryzen 4 will still be AM4. With any AM4 chipset as long as the manufacturer gives you an updated BIOS.
Meanwhile, on the blue side of the fence, I can't put a Pentium G4560 on a H310 motherboard because "improved VRM".


P-State overclock?
No set it and forget it, no clock ramping or 1 core ramping up vs rest. Clock/bus conservation only counts on batteries. Just the Multiplier and fsb (w/e they call it now) and vcore (w/e its called now)
 
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No set it and forget it, no clock ramping or 1 core ramping up vs rest.
You can still do that, I have a static 4Ghz overclock on my 1700X. As soon as you change the voltage or multiplier all that turbo core stuff shuts down.
 
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Same here, a 3900MHz 1.35v profile and a 4000MHz 1,45v profile with Ryzen Master, when needed.
The thing is, if you have an X one, most of the time you don't need good ol' OC.
 

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You can still do that, I have a static 4Ghz overclock on my 1700X. As soon as you change the voltage or multiplier all that turbo core stuff shuts down.
Yeah i would always turn off pstates, that is only reason why my cpu stays stable, no dips in voltage
 
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Right so bottom line, there are no real leaks here, he clickbaited you and everyone else here with things we actually already knew.


Well wooptiedoo, they have a low power dualcore at horrible clocks on 10nm :D 2010 called and wants its specs back.
No what I'm saying is that when someone says they have their "sources" ~ we should look at their intent, & content, then make an "informed" decision based on the said leaker's past, whether such info is believable or not. Remember SA & all the howling cries about fake (10nm) news recently? Well here you go ~ Intel: EUV-Enabled 7nm Process Tech is on Track

Take it for whatever side of the coin one wants to see, I see this as Intel shelving their (original)10nm HVM for good.
 
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Take it for whatever side of the coin one wants to see, I see this as Intel shelving their (original)10nm HVM for good.
10nm was a massive screw up. They seem to have done the smart thing and mitigate their loses.
 
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10nm was a massive screw up. They seem to have done the smart thing and mitigate their loses.
Yeah but 7nm is still at least a couple of years away & it'll need a near perfect execution otherwise Intel's manufacturing woes aren't going away anywhere.
Remember 22nm was late, 14nm as well & when 10nm goes AWOL one won't bet on Intel making the transition to 7nm smoothly, just yet.
 
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I do not get what you mean. All the CPUs released with the same socket regardless of chipset are compatible.
Why are Intel's sockets and chipsets more limiting?

By the way, there are functional differences with how Ryzen CPUs work on 300 and 400 boards. The leaks on Ryzen 3000 series are also saying Ryzen 9 will not work on old motherboards. Hoping these parts are not true though, I would love to have the 3800X on my B350 board :)

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High-end and OC motherboards may be fine with all this but Intel has to cover their ass with all the cheapo boards as well.
Your just plain wrong i have a b250 board and dual core kabylake g cekeron , i Was going to upgrade it with another 8 core socket 1151 but can't fit 7 series up?

Same here, a 3900MHz 1.35v profile and a 4000MHz 1,45v profile with Ryzen Master, when needed.
The thing is, if you have an X one, most of the time you don't need good ol' OC.
You need extreme cooling and a hell of a lot of patience to beat PBO on all core loaded clocks or single core, PBO wrings as much as possible as it is.
 
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