Ryzen 3600 upgrade

[Apocalypsee]

Hey guys just wondering if going from R5 3600 to 5700x is good for mostly gaming? I did some light video encoding from time to time but nothing major. Most will say go for 5800x3d since I play at 1080p, but for that money in my country I better off goes all out and get Ryzen 7600 + new mobo and RAM for not that much more, so what say you? I didn't play all that much games lately just some Cyberpunk2077 and I plan to play Starfield when it's better. I rarely play new games, I give it time to mature first.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Probably looking at about a 20% uplift all other things being equal some really low latency Bdie could add another 5-8% on top but that has mostly dried up and has become quite expensive at this point.

The 7600 could be anywhere from 30-40% faster vs the R5 3600 with some 6000CL30 Might be worth saving up to be on the much better platform.

Everything coming out lately is really cpu heavy these days even a 5600X which performs similarly to a 5700x will drop into the 40-60s in CP/Starfield. I expect that to become much more common over time.

The better question is if 20% is worth investing into your current platform only you can really answer that question.

 

[QuietBob]

CP2077 and Starfield are some of the most demanding titles out there, both GPU and CPU wise. If you intend to play these, or any other recent games, going with a 5700X over a 3600 will provide a meaningful boost to your frame rates.

Newer titles can actually take advantage of 8c/16t processors, but you will be GPU limited long before you see a CPU bottleneck, even at 1080p.

 

[Hyderz]

an rtx3080 and a ryzen 5 3600, if its me i would go with a newer platform but i'd wait for the amd next cpus 8000 series
your current setup can easily play cyberpunk 2077 and starfield no problem at all with quite alot of settings turned up
sure a 5700x will net you more fps, but parts these days are expensive so you want to get your money's worth
save up, game on and 2024 is just around the corner

 

[Double-Click]

Well if the price isn't right it isn't right for the X3D, the 5700X is still a nice bump up from 3000 series in terms of gaming performance.
If you plan to keep the rig going for a while (and especially if you like more demanding titles) it's a worthwhile / affordable upgrade - I say go for it.

 

[Beginner Micro Device]

I prefer waiting for my platform to become completely obsolete before upgrading. Like, you play newest games, yet framerates always drop below 30s even on the lowest settings kinda obsolete.

About 25% mean uplift is substantial in vacuum but it's really only worth your effort if you can't wait and/or get paid for what your PC can do. I'd wait for Zen 4+ CPUs to come in your shoes. But it's you who is in your shoes so it's for you to decide: a quarter now or a triple digit improvement a bit later.

And considering your statement regarding games maturing I can assure you the latter option is more on point. Wait till 8-core CPUs will be at least 30% faster than the 7700X in gaming and grab one, maybe a dozen-core, who knows.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Below are how CP2077 runs currently at 1080p high detail with RTX Ultra no DLSS, that is on city center. It wasn't that bad actually, cards are undervolted so does the 3600 because my case is crap and have nearly zero airflow. Nowadays I hold up an upgrade for for most parts unless it go bad. After reading you guys comments, both have valid points. Only recently I upgraded to 32GB RAM since using stable diffusion uses tons of RAM, and from my testing the current 3667MHz (1833MHz) is not its limits, I stop since that's where all the UCLK, MCLK and FLCK are happy to run at the same speed (also this gives the best boost in performance). I kinda veered toward new system since I like the idea of having iGPU for backup. We'll see...

 

[faye]

At this point, with gaming as your primary workload, if it doesn't make sense to get the 5800X3D then it doesn't make sense to spend more money on AM4.

I'd do as others suggested, save up for when the 8000 series chips come out and do a full rebuild then. If you see a great deal on a used AM4 chip in the meantime, grab it, but given that scene is pretty much worst case scenario in Cyberpunk and you're still sitting at 50 FPS, if I were you I'd just suffer through for now.

You've got a stronger GPU than I did before my most recent round of upgrades, and your system is much better tuned. Having just spent a bunch on a 5800X3D. If I had that setup I would hold on a little longer.

 

[QuietBob]

Below are how CP2077 runs currently at 1080p high detail with RTX Ultra no DLSS, that is on city center. It wasn't that bad actually, cards are undervolted so does the 3600 because my case is crap and have nearly zero airflow. Nowadays I hold up an upgrade for for most parts unless it go bad. After reading you guys comments, both have valid points. Only recently I upgraded to 32GB RAM since using stable diffusion uses tons of RAM, and from my testing the current 3667MHz (1833MHz) is not its limits, I stop since that's where all the UCLK, MCLK and FLCK are happy to run at the same speed (also this gives the best boost in performance). I kinda veered toward new system since I like the idea of having iGPU for backup. We'll see...

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While I wouldn't have a problem with a single player game at 50 fps -- provided even frame pacing -- your results clearly show that you're both GPU and CPU bound here. All threads on the 3600 are being nearly maxed out. Your CPU temp is also on the high side, considering it's been power limited. Under normal circumstances the 3600 should achieve a 4,200 MHz all-core boost.

It's a pity your system isn't performing up to its specs, being thermally constrained. Perhaps a complete platform upgrade is going to be a wiser choice.

 

[Apocalypsee]

While I wouldn't have a problem with a single player game at 50 fps -- provided even frame pacing -- your results clearly show that you're both GPU and CPU bound here. All threads on the 3600 are being nearly maxed out. Your CPU temp is also on the high side, considering it's been power limited. Under normal circumstances the 3600 should achieve a 4,200 MHz all-core boost.

It's a pity your system isn't performing up to its specs, being thermally constrained. Perhaps a complete platform upgrade is going to be a wiser choice.

I been testing this past few days, CPU frequencies doesn't matter, the bottleneck in Ryzen 3000 ain't in pure CPU frequencies. I forced 4.2GHz on all core and it didn't give any meaningful performance benefits over what it currently running, even with CPU boost disabled framerate barely changes so yeah I think it's better to change platform altogether, unless if I can find a decent 5800x3d on sale (or 5700/5800).

 

[freeagent]

I went from a 3600XT to a 5600X and to me the difference was night and day. Plus Zen 3 operates differently compared to Zen 2, it is like a treat to switch gens like that. And if you go for a 5800X and up, you will get cores that boost to 5GHz and higher when you master PBO.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I went from a 3600XT to a 5600X and to me the difference was night and day. Plus Zen 3 operates differently compared to Zen 2, it is like a treat to switch gens like that. And if you go for a 5800X and up, you will get cores that boost to 5GHz and higher when you master PBO.

Thanks for the insight. That was what I read from numerous reddit post going from Zen 2 to Zen 3 even if there's no improvement in core count, per core performance improvement is massive

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thanks for the insight. That was what I read from numerous reddit post going from Zen 2 to Zen 3 even if there's no improvement in core count, per core performance improvement is massive

About the best you can expect from Zen 3 non X3D though and while better probably not worth the investment. RT Ultra no DLSS

 

[Frick]

FWIW I went from a 2600x to a 5600 (and 2x8GB 2800Mhz to 2x16 3600Mhz) and Starfield specifically definitely plays better. On 4K Ultra preset I went from 45fps avarage, 38fps low and the GPU topping out at 90% load (in a heavy area) to maxing out the GPU and getting 50FPS+ avarage with dips to 48FPS (this is eyeballed with AMD Adrenalin btw, on a 6950XT).

 

[rodrigoxm49]

Hey guys just wondering if going from R5 3600 to 5700x is good for mostly gaming? I did some light video encoding from time to time but nothing major. Most will say go for 5800x3d since I play at 1080p, but for that money in my country I better off goes all out and get Ryzen 7600 + new mobo and RAM for not that much more, so what say you? I didn't play all that much games lately just some Cyberpunk2077 and I plan to play Starfield when it's better. I rarely play new games, I give it time to mature first.

Whats your GPU?

At least from you screenshot, a new CPU will give you 0FPS. GPU is the bottleneck in this picture. But, of course, not necessarily it's the same on other scenes.

If you have anything =< 6600XT/RTX3060TI, a new CPU will give you basically 0FPS in most AAA games.. Only e-sports will benefit from new CPU. Or poorly optimized games. But if you have anything better than these cards that I mentioned, a new CPU like 5600X or 5700X will help in minimum frames and average frames. At least up to 1440p.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Whats your GPU?

At least from you screenshot, a new CPU will give you 0FPS. GPU is the bottleneck in this picture. But, of course, not necessarily it's the same on other scenes.

If you have anything =< 6600XT/RTX3060TI, a new CPU will give you basically 0FPS in most AAA games.. Only e-sports will benefit from new CPU. Or poorly optimized games. But if you have anything better than these cards that I mentioned, a new CPU like 5600X or 5700X will help in minimum frames and average frames. At least up to 1440p.

It was 3080, well my 3080 suddenly exhibit black screen after login and problem persist even after shutdown. Only if I remove the card and install it back on sometime it works for a few minutes before it happen again so I'm back with my old 1070 for the time being, having old GPU without new tech isn't really helping, at least AMD FSR works in CP2077 giving decent performance. Feels like my laptop 3050 have better performance with newer titles since DLSS does work wonders giving extra framerate even with ray tracing enabled.

 

[rodrigoxm49]

It was 3080, well my 3080 suddenly exhibit black screen after login and problem persist even after shutdown. Only if I remove the card and install it back on sometime it works for a few minutes before it happen again so I'm back with my old 1070 for the time being, having old GPU without new tech isn't really helping, at least AMD FSR works in CP2077 giving decent performance. Feels like my laptop 3050 have better performance with newer titles since DLSS does work wonders giving extra framerate even with ray tracing enabled.

Well, for 3080 a new CPU will help by a lot at 1080p or 1440p. For 1070? Don't even worry abou CPU. 1070 is the bottleneck in every game except light e-sports like CS, Valorant and some others.

RTX3050 is faster than GTX1070. Way faster. Specially with DLSS.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

With that motherboard, it's recommended to wait until you can upgrade to a decent B550 motherboard, or just get a Raphael build.

 

[AusWolf]

If you're planning on a new system, then just keep the 3600 until you have the cash you need. If not, I'd try to save up for a 5800X3D. Stop-gap solutions seem cheaper short-term, but cost more on the long run.

TLDR: If the 5700X isn't what you need, then don't buy one. Simple.

 

[Naito]

5800X3D would probably still make sense over a 7600X, unless you really want to upgrade your core system. In most games at 1080p the X3D chip is still very competitive and, I believe, would be smoother due to the more consistent 1% lows. As for video rendering, single core performance would be greater on the 7600X, but the 5800X3D does feature two extra cores which should help it keep up with the newer chip in multithreaded workloads.

 

[Kissamies]

Went for a 5800X myself. I was thinking of 5800X3D, but as I got the normal for 190EUR, I went with this one.

 

[Fry178]

you already have decent gpu, so the 5800X3D makes sense since your mainly gaming.
future games are probably geared towards using the added cache, especially if intel joins.

a good cooling for the cpu would be good (280or 240 AIO), will give you a little bit of a break for now,
and would make sure you get the best boost out of the cpu, and if set as "exhaust",
will also lower case (and other) temps, giving the gpu cooler air to breath (allowing higher boost clocks).

most dont realize how much you will negatively impact gpu boost, by using air coolers for the cpu (like preheating the computer),

my friends rig (5800X/2080ti) was constantly getting to warm, starting to throttle (fps), when the rad was blowing air inside the case (like air cooler).
mounting the rad on the top (set as exhaust) didnt affect cpu temps much, but stopped the throttling/stutter he had,
but still didnt have any meaning full gains over my rig (5800X/2080S), because his warm gpu (Nv drops boost clocks at above 43C),
and mine basically staying at/below 50C under full load, more or less constantly boosting to 2-2.2gHz (depending on type of load).

and the psu would be another point i would swap (first).
i dont know specifically about this one, but the CX isnt something i would want running +1K of parts (cpu/board/gpu)..
look at the RMx (make sure its not the old model).

 

[AusWolf]

you already have decent gpu, so the 5800X3D makes sense since your mainly gaming.
future games are probably geared towards using the added cache, especially if intel joins.

a good cooling for the cpu would be good (280or 240 AIO), will give you a little bit of a break for now,
and would make sure you get the best boost out of the cpu, and if set as "exhaust",
will also lower case (and other) temps, giving the gpu cooler air to breath (allowing higher boost clocks).

most dont realize how much you will negatively impact gpu boost, by using air coolers for the cpu (like preheating the computer),

my friends rig (5800X/2080ti) was constantly getting to warm, starting to throttle (fps), when the rad was blowing air inside the case (like air cooler).
mounting the rad on the top (set as exhaust) didnt affect cpu temps much, but stopped the throttling/stutter he had,
but still didnt have any meaning full gains over my rig (5800X/2080S), because his warm gpu (Nv drops boost clocks at above 43C),
and mine basically staying at/below 50C under full load, more or less constantly boosting to 2-2.2gHz (depending on type of load).

and the psu would be another point i would swap (first).
i dont know specifically about this one, but the CX isnt something i would want running +1K of parts (cpu/board/gpu)..

X3D chips are extremely picky with AIOs (or rather, water blocks) for some unknown reason, so a high-end tower is a much better choice. A 280 mm Silent Loop 2 couldn't cool my 7800X3D, while a Dark Rock 4 can. Also, the exhaust air is pretty cool with chiplet Ryzen, so you don't need to worry about it affecting GPU boost too much.

 

[Fry178]

@AusWolf
in general, dumping the cpu heat inside the case, is always the worst scenario, no matter the type of cooling used.

e.g. most of my board temps (no block, just heatsinks) stay around 50-60C maybe 70ish, under full load (dont remember exact nbrs for diff parts),
definitely not happening with the cooler dumping the heat inside the case, no matter if air or water, so on avg having 20-30C less is a noticeable difference.

and in case of Nv (at least 2000 series and below), drooping clocks at 43C, means it doesnt matter much how "little" heat it is,
it will still be enough to warm up everything noticeably, and have the gpu drop clocks, reducing performance (compared what it could be).

for most, its usually "easier" to go LC, to dump the cpu heat outside the case,
instead of trying to completely isolate the cpu air in (common) pc cases.
and with chipmakers going the temp route (run as fast as possible, as long as its cool), means in the future temps will impact perf even more.

 

[faye]

@AusWolf
in general, dumping the cpu heat inside the case, is always the worst scenario, no matter the type of cooling used.

e.g. most of my board temps (no block, just heatsinks) stay around 50-60C maybe 70ish, under full load (dont remember exact nbrs for diff parts),
definitely not happening with the cooler dumping the heat inside the case, no matter if air or water, so on avg having 20-30C less is a noticeable difference.

and in case of Nv (at least 2000 series and below), drooping clocks at 43C, means it doesnt matter much how "little" heat it is,
it will still be enough to warm up everything noticeably, and have the gpu drop clocks, reducing performance (compared what it could be).

for most, its usually "easier" to go LC, to dump the cpu heat outside the case,
instead of trying to completely isolate the cpu air in (common) pc cases.
and with chipmakers going the temp route (run as fast as possible, as long as its cool), means in the future temps will impact perf even more.

There's truth to what he says about X3D and AIOs, though; people are quick to dismiss the iD Cooling DashFlow because they're not a super well known brand and their stuff is inexpensive, but if you read a few reviews it is regularly a price to performance winner. It struggles with the 5800X3D. I suspect the block needs to be offset to rest over the main heat load of the chip, but so far as I know there's no compatible kit available.