Ryzen 3600x temperature

[Zach_01]

A lot of B450 users seeing this flactuation of IF with this version of HWiNFO. Try the latest beta version.
Its in the description: Beter FCLK monitoring on ZEN2

HWiNFO v6.21-4055 Beta released

HWiNFO v6.21-4055 Beta available. Changes: Updated reporting of PPT/TDC/EDC limits when OC-Mode active (no limits). Added monitoring of Effective CPU Core VID on AMD Zen CPUs. Multiple sensor items can now be configured at once via settings. Added support of selective sensor items for logging...

www.hwinfo.com

The...
VDDCR SOC: 1.12V (but check this with HWiNFO, boards tend to undervoltage from actual setting)
CLDO VDDP: 1.00V
CLDO VDDG: 1.05V
CPU Uncore/SOC OC mode: Enabled
DRAM 1.45V (with airflow)

...May help you with 3600 mem speed.

If not, then:
VDDCR SOC: 1.15V (but check this with HWiNFO, boards tend to undervoltage from actual setting)
CLDO VDDP: 1.05V
CLDO VDDG: 1.10V
CPU Uncore/SOC OC mode: Enabled
DRAM 1.45V (with airflow)

 

[burebista]

A lot of B450 users seeing this flactuation of IF with this version of HWiNFO. Try the latest beta version.

Thx, indeed now I.F. is steady, no up and down.

About VDDP. Below is a screenshot from BIOS. I have CLDO VDDP and CLDO VDDG but also I have VDDP simple with 0.945V.

God knows which is which and also God knows what Ryzen Master shows.

Meantime instead fiddling with my RAM I ran a benchmark in Chernobylite.
3200


3533


For 1 FPS I'm not banging my head against wall trying to reach 3600. Already 3200 is good enough, 3533 is better on paper and 3600 will bring me nothing.
It's time for me to stop.

A huge thanks especially for you Zach for all you time spend with me. I learn a lot.
And also many thanks for all who stops on my thread.

 

[moproblems99]

Already 3200 is good enough, 3533 is better on paper and 3600 will bring me nothing.
It's time for me to stop.

In most cases you are absolutely correct. Certain things will work better than others. There is a Zen 2 memory scaling article here on TPU that will explain it in much more detail. I would link it but I am on mobile at the moment.

Enjoy the new setup.

 

[Zach_01]

Thx, indeed now I.F. is steady, no up and down.

About VDDP. Below is a screenshot from BIOS. I have CLDO VDDP and CLDO VDDG but also I have VDDP simple with 0.945V.
View attachment 143027
God knows which is which and also God knows what Ryzen Master shows.

Meantime instead fiddling with my RAM I ran a benchmark in Chernobylite.
3200
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3533
View attachment 143033

For 1 FPS I'm not banging my head against wall trying to reach 3600. Already 3200 is good enough, 3533 is better on paper and 3600 will bring me nothing.
It's time for me to stop.

A huge thanks especially for you Zach for all you time spend with me. I learn a lot.
And also many thanks for all who stops on my thread.

That is entirely your call and decision. If your’re happy about the performance then just stop right there and enjoy!

FYI
“Simple” VDDP with 0.945V is something else.
The cLDOs are Memory controller and InfinityFabric related.

 

[johnny-r]

yep, sound perfectly fine to me, enjoy it ! I've been through the same trying settings here and there but it runs perfect for me on 3200.

 

[burebista]

Thats odd...

The readings are
VDDCR SOC: 1.0810V
CLDO VDDP: 1.0979V
CLDO VDDG: 1.0979V

This cant be right. Are all these on auto voltage now?
Im asking because cLDO VDDP/VDDG are powered by the SOC line, and since that is 1.081V then those 2 cant be feeded with 1.0979V...

Those CLDO VDDP/VDDG in Ryzen Master bothered me so I put them manually in BIOS.
CLDO VDDP 0.850V
CLDO VDDG 0.950V
Now Ryzen Master shows something different for them.



Should I keep new values or revert to Auto? I'm on stock setting now, no RAM OC.

LE: Looks stable in TestMem5 with those CLDO values.

 

[Zach_01]

You can keep it like this if its not giving you any instability. Less voltage always is better, again if not becoming unstable. But if you want to run DRAM speed and IF to 1766 or 1800 or even higher then you might need to raise those cLDOs and possible the SOC too.

Currently I'm running 1800MHz (all synched) and my settings are...

VDDCR SOC: Auto with SOC LLC High, resulting a voltage of 1.09~1.1V
CLDO VDDP: 950mV (actual 0.9474)
CLDO VDDG: 1000mV (actual 0.9976V)

Every CPU does not react the same in every DRAM/IF speed and may need different voltage for the SOC and cLDO VDDP/VDDG.
Its a "try and error" procedure

 

[Pijomir]

Hello to all.

I just bought ryzen 5 3600x +asus prime x570-p and 2*8 gb 3200 16-18-18-36 ram. Using noctua u12s for cooling in a Cooler Master 690 III case with full capacity of fans.

Still, i reach 86 degrees Celsius in aida64 stress test.

I read here that this is a NORMAL, but still bodering me - my previous rig was powered by i7 3770k @4.4 and had never seen such temps. Would you be so kind to advice me how to reduce this temps?

 

[Chrispy_]

Hello to all.

I just bought ryzen 5 3600x +asus prime x570-p and 2*8 gb 3200 16-18-18-36 ram. Using noctua u12s for cooling in a Cooler Master 690 III case with full capacity of fans.

Still, i reach 86 degrees Celsius in aida64 stress test.

I read here that this is a NORMAL, but still bodering me - my previous rig was powered by i7 3770k @4.4 and had never seen such temps. Would you be so kind to advice me how to reduce this temps?

Remove your cooler, check that the thermal paste has spread across the whole of the processor into a thin, even layer.
Those temps are high but I'm not seeing anything like that on my 3600 @ 4.2 using a similar (very old) Notcua NH-U12.

Are you using PBO+ and AutoOC? The Asus boards are extremely aggressive with AutoOC and regularly push voltages up to 1.4V and beyond. This invalidates your 3600X's warranty and honestly isn't good for the chips at all, long-term. I wouldn't even enable AutoOC unless I had a waterblock capable of keeping temps under 70C at those voltages. Also, PBO+ gets you 90% of the way there already and unlike AutoOC, it's sanctioned by AMD so it won't ruin your warranty if you fry your chip.

 

[Pijomir]

I disabled pbo cause i'm currently using 1usmus custom power plan. Still i'm seeing pieaks beyond 1.45v, but only in idle. So may be the termal paste is the problem. In games my highest temps are max 76.

Oh, and i don't know about auto clock - still very new with this platform. Where to find this information?

 

[Chrispy_]

I disabled pbo cause i'm currently using 1usmus custom power plan. Still i'm seeing pieaks beyond 1.45v, but only in idle. So may be the termal paste is the problem. In games my highest temps are max 76.

Oh, and i don't know about auto clock - still very new with this platform. Where to find this information?

My machine was running like crap and I couldn't figure out why, turns out I forgot that I turned on a 12-thread CPU burn test for you to see what my manual OC 3600 was reaching with an air cooler at 1.35V

The answer is 54C 66C, ambient here is 23C so that's 31C 43C over ambient.
Derp edit - sorry forgot to set the offset in CoreTemp because I started it manually

You should go back to the Windows 10 balanced power plan now unless you really know the differences. 1usmus' plan is better for all-core workloads but the majority of consumer use will see lower temperatures and better efficiency despite potentially being 50MHz slower.

The main thing about the original 1usmus plan is that it was ahead of the Windows 1909 scheduler update, as well as AGESA 1.0.0.4 that improved things. Assuming you are running 1909 and 1.0.0.4 there's not likely to be any point in running 1usmus' plan, especially not if you're trying to troubleshoot high temperatures.

 

[Pijomir]

Balanced Windows 10 plan or Amd Ryzen balance plan?

 

[Chrispy_]

Windows. Provided you're running a recent version of Windows 10 it makes very little performance difference but it will increase your idle temp significantly. The AMD Ryzen power plan was created specifically for old versions of Windows 10 on 1st Gen Ryzen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/a9q96u/_/eclsig7
Buried in there is a second thread that shows Window 10 Balanced is 99.72% as fast, but much more power-efficient than the AMD Ryzen plan.

but idle efficiency is terrible (these are temperature results of each plan):

 

[Pijomir]

Thanks. The max temp decreased to 75 with several peaks of 78. Still higher for my understandings, but better than before.

 

[Chrispy_]

Cool. Check your thermal paste application is good then, and if your room temperature is warmer than mine (30C for example) there's nothing wrong with 75C

You still shouldn't be seeing 1.4V though, that implies that somewhere in your BIOS there is a setting that is auto-overclocking your CPU.

I don't have a prime x570 so I can't really walk you through it, but even with PBO+ you should be seeing max voltages hovering around 1.35V or so at boost. The 3600 is lower quality silicon and even that doesn't need 1.4V at any point unless it's overclocked, so the 3600X should use less voltage for sure. The high temps are directly caused by voltages over 1.4V - that's way beyond the sweet spot and definitely higher than stock.

 

[Pijomir]

The point is that thera are peaks over 1.4 only in idle. Over load it goes max to 1.35.

 

[Iceni]

I've been seeing a few things myself with the 3600.

I moved from a 2500K to this chip and mine is hot as well in comparison.

The Ryzen balanced profile is hotter, and fails to park as many cores as the windows balanced profile.

Windows balanced is parking 3 cores a lot of the time, and in addition is running at 33-35 on true idle.

Ryzen balanced in comparison is only parking 2 cores, and running at 37-39 on idle.

I'm also seeing a lower idle core speed with the windows profile.

Peak C V is running 0.95-1.0005 volts on idle and web browsing.

Ram wise I picked up the Adata XPG Spectrix 3600 CL18, It's running it's A-XMP profile without any problems. I haven't bothered to try tweaking the ram yet. I haven't had any issues with it at all.

The profile is running 18,18,18, 38 1t. 3600 Fclk 1800. Vddio 1.35V.

The only real issue I've had is the MSI dragon profiles do strange things and were causing problems, so I've removed that program.

Cinebench running -

PCV 1.27v and 84c in temps. with an average core speed just a hair under 4ghz scoring 3515. I suspect my water block is the problem there, but regular gaming it's in the mid 70's.

 

[Pijomir]

Hm. With windows balance and disabled pbo my temps are even lower - below 70 in games, 76 peak on aida64 stress test.

Still have voltage peaks around 1.467 in idle. In the bios everything is on default except pbo disabled, rgb disabled and manual fan profile. Don't think termal paste is the problem, probably i need bigger case, but this is for now.
My cable menagement isn't the best, but don't have time for better results.

 

[Caring1]

Hm. With windows balance and disabled pbo my temps are even lower - below 70 in games, 76 peak on aida64 stress test.

Still have voltage peaks around 1.467 in idle. In the bios everything is on default except pbo disabled, rgb disabled and manual fan profile. Don't think termal paste is the problem, probably i need bigger case, but this is for now.
My cable menagement isn't the best, but don't have time for better results.

Remove the optical and 2.5" drive bays and stick a fan in the front as intake, air flow would be shite the way it is now.

 

[oobymach]

I solved my heat issue with the 3600x by manually clocking it at 4.2ghz and 1.25v. Under stress in a hot room it barely gets to 70 usually hovering around 68 or so in p95 and gaming peaks around 60 degrees now. I don't like the automatic clock/voltage setting as it stays on 1.35v 98% of the time and keeps the cpu temps up where manual settings runs a fair amount cooler. I may not be getting the fastest single core performance but my cpu doesn't seem like it's trying to melt under stress now.

 

[Pijomir]

Remove the optical and 2.5" drive bays and stick a fan in the front as intake, air flow would be shite the way it is now.

Only 2.5" bay is removable... And i'm using them.

Still, there is a 20cm fan at the front.

 

[SomeOne99h]

Pijomir, you still haven't answered Chrispy_ if you are using AutoOC or not?

 

[Chrispy_]

Manual clock to 4.2 at 1.25V is one way to solve the stupid ASUS BIOS problems. PBO+ probably wouldn't get much higher than that on a typical multi-core game load anyway.

Honestly, one of the reasons I stopped buying ASUS boards at work was because some of the BIOSes are downright idiotic. Disabling about 5 different things on every build just to get "normal, stock performance" is a stupid decision. Invalidated CPU warraties by default? Thanks ASUS!

With a manual all-core clock, all OP is really losing out on is idle efficiency but compared to other always-on components and peripherals that's not really a big deal.

 

[Pijomir]

Pijomir, you still haven't answered Chrispy_ if you are using AutoOC or not?

Actually i asked what exactly is auto oc? I'm coming from Z68 + i7 3770k and am very new with this platform.

Edit: ok, i understood what it is. I don't use auto oc.

 

[terroralpha]

i can't take the time to read all 4 pages of comments here. but i will tell you two things:

1. ryzen can get hot for no reason even with the best coolers. i had a 3900x that would go close to 90*C with a 360mm AIO cooler.

2. if there is an issue that can be fixed, the most common cause of crazy temps is bad cooler mounting or bad TIM app. air flow also sometimes plays a role, but only in REALLY bad set ups. try re-mounting the cooler if you have not.