Ryzen 5 3600 very high temps

[Agentak74u]

I've just built a new system with the 3600 stock cooler+b450 gaming plus max, but the CPU get hot very easy and in prime20 test I've reached 90 with 2 minutes or so
Is this a normal behavior of the 3600 or something is really wrong ?

 

[Mussels]

A few random observations:

1. they *read* hotter than intels, since temp programs show the temp from the hottest core (which is why the temps bounce around a lot... annoying, but its accurate)
2. the stock cooler aint great, so 90C at full speed in a burn test seems plausible
3. mobo BIOS settings can make *huge* differences to the clocks temps and performance of ryzen, with some mobos having weird defaults. Try fiddling around with turning off options that claim to enhance performance, and see if the temps plummet (my x370 board had a default option for 'multi core enhancement' that did nothing except add 15C to temps)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

A few random observations:

1. they *read* hotter than intels, since temp programs show the temp from the hottest core (which is why the temps bounce around a lot... annoying, but its accurate)
2. the stock cooler aint great, so 90C at full speed in a burn test seems plausible
3. mobo BIOS settings can make *huge* differences to the clocks temps and performance of ryzen, with some mobos having weird defaults. Try fiddling around with turning off options that claim to enhance performance, and see if the temps plummet (my x370 board had a default option for 'multi core enhancement' that did nothing except add 15C to temps)

Very similar here , auto settings are to be avoided if there is a Default setting, they're not the same.
I get 1.5V regularly with any setting other than default (sorry).
Hopefully the new bios on the way will help , it is said to run lower volts more often and cooler too.
That bios would contain ageesa 1,0,0,3ABBA.

 

[Agentak74u]

A few random observations:

1. they *read* hotter than intels, since temp programs show the temp from the hottest core (which is why the temps bounce around a lot... annoying, but its accurate)
2. the stock cooler aint great, so 90C at full speed in a burn test seems plausible
3. mobo BIOS settings can make *huge* differences to the clocks temps and performance of ryzen, with some mobos having weird defaults. Try fiddling around with turning off options that claim to enhance performance, and see if the temps plummet (my x370 board had a default option for 'multi core enhancement' that did nothing except add 15C to temps)

My concern is not really the high temp, its just how insanely quickly (within few minutes)I could hit 90c, sry if I didn't make this clear
Also not sure if is this related but I had a rough time installing the stock fan which made me reinstalling it 3 times and I could see some thermopaste was on the CPU because of this after each removal

 

[MrPotatoHead]

It shouldn't be that hard to install the cooler, do it again, clean the thermal paste and reapply, don't use prime20 to guage your temps monitor them under real world usage.

 

[eidairaman1]

Clear cmos, update bios to latest.

Whats your Ambient Room Temperatures?

What case are you using how, many and what make and model of fans in the case? What video card are you using? Are you using hard disk drives? What's your Power supply?

My concern is not really the high temp, its just how insanely quickly (within few minutes)I could hit 90c, sry if I didn't make this clear
Also not sure if is this related but I had a rough time installing the stock fan which made me reinstalling it 3 times and I could see some thermopaste was on the CPU because of this after each removal

 

[Agentak74u]

Although I have a crappy case that I don't even remember its name (cooler master elite 310 or something) with crappy airflow, I have tested it with the case open and room temp at average level and shifts slightly to the cold territory
Psu seasonic focus plus platinum

Also guys can you tell me what is the stock voltage of 3600 under different loads (idle,light, heavy) ? Because I see the voltage keep jumping back and forth to 1.39 something, which is I thing an auto OC ?

 

[cucker tarlson]

get a better cooler.that's it.the 3600 box cooler is very basic.and amd's turbo is really aggresive,it really can pump a lot of voltage.
in fact it's more than a lot of people would be comfortable with if they were overclocking manually.

you need a decent $30 aftermarket cooler and you'll be fine.

what can $30 buy you where you live ?

 

[Agentak74u]

Clear cmos, update bios to latest.

Whats your Ambient Room Temperatures?

What case are you using how, many and what make and model of fans in the case? What video card are you using? Are you using hard disk drives? What's your Power supply?

please,don't tell the guy 90 is fine,put your love for the red time aside this time.

get a better cooler.that's it.the 3600 box cooler is not what all the boys make it out to be,it's very basic.and amd's turbo is really aggresive,it really can pump a lot of voltage.you need a decent $30 aftermarket cooler and you'll be fine.

what can $30 buy you where you live ?

I've just disabled core enhancement in bios and now my CPU keeps @3600 all time with no boost to 4GH, now its a slight loss in performance at least in my case since all games run above 60fps all time anyways which is my monitor refresh rate, but what surprised me how much the temperature had dropped significantly even in my crappy case

 

[eidairaman1]

Although I have a crappy case that I don't even remember its name (cooler master elite 310 or something) with crappy airflow, I have tested it with the case open and room temp at average level and shifts slightly to the cold territory
Psu seasonic focus plus platinum

Also guys can you tell me what is the stock voltage of 3600 under different loads (idle,light, heavy) ? Because I see the voltage keep jumping back and forth to 1.39 something, which is I thing an auto OC ?

There will always be a voltage variable however if you set it from auto to manual it will maintain an absolute tolerance level.

Example my FX voltage is 1.476Vcore, under heavy load using Blender it goes to 1.524.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Example my FX voltage is 1.476Vcore, under heavy load using Blender it goes to 1.524.

what does this have to do with ryzen 3000 ?

I've just disabled core enhancement in bios and now my CPU keeps @3600 all time with no boost to 4GH, now its a slight loss in performance at least in my case since all games run above 60fps all time anyways which is my monitor refresh rate, but what surprised me how much the temperature had dropped significantly even in my crappy case

like I told you,amd really were trying to squeeze everything out of this chip,at the cost of high voltage and temps.if you're using ryzen with basic cooling you should tinker wtih manual voltages and clocks.

 

[eidairaman1]

I've just disabled core enhancement in bios and now my CPU keeps @3600 all time with no boost to 4GH, now its a slight loss in performance at least in my case since all games run above 60fps all time anyways which is my monitor refresh rate, but what surprised me how much the temperature had dropped significantly even in my crappy case

Some motherboards if you see auto as a voltage setting, right beside it you will see the voltage it is currently running at, you can lock it down by setting to manual.

Get your board manual out and read it.

@Bones or @ShrimpBrime might be able to help

 

[Agentak74u]

I did, but I don't know if this is an actual value or the OC value, hence I asked about it here

 

[eidairaman1]

I did, but I don't know if this is an actual value or the OC value, hence I asked about it here

I'n the bios itself the settings are idle, no activity.

Hardware monitor/HWinfo64/Aida64 im unsure if openhardwaremonitor has been updated can show you what minimum volts, current volts and current max volts the invividual lines will run

 

[Agentak74u]

I'n the bios itself the settings are idle, no activity.

Hardware monitor/HWinfo64/Aida64 im unsure if openhardwaremonitor has been updated can show you what minimum volts, current volts and current max volts the invividual lines will run

ok then thx man i will try

 

[Mussels]

ignore the voltage talk about ryzen, people are trying to compare how it works with previous generations (intel or AMD) and its not the same.

Voltages are high, but amperage/wattage is low - so its irrelevant. Its only one part of an equation, that people think is all-important because of static voltage all core overclocks being the norm for so long.

Yeah, your stock cooler will heat up fast...its tiny. As long as it doesnt throttle its good enough, you can upgrade for lower temps or lower noise if you wish but its not neccesary.

 

[eidairaman1]

ignore the voltage talk about ryzen, people are trying to compare how it works with previous generations (intel or AMD) and its not the same.

Voltages are high, but amperage/wattage is low - so its irrelevant. Its only one part of an equation, that people think is all-important because of static voltage all core overclocks being the norm for so long.

Yeah, your stock cooler will heat up fast...its tiny. As long as it doesnt throttle its good enough, you can upgrade for lower temps or lower noise if you wish but its not neccesary.

E=I*R
P=I*E

 

[Xzibit]

I've just disabled core enhancement in bios and now my CPU keeps @3600 all time with no boost to 4GH, now its a slight loss in performance at least in my case since all games run above 60fps all time anyways which is my monitor refresh rate, but what surprised me how much the temperature had dropped significantly even in my crappy case

If you want to keep the boost on. Leave Core Enhancement ON, Turn Percision Boost Overdrive to Disable

If that;s too hot. Update your bios. Bios ABB and above have an ECO Mode. Its runs your chip at a lower rated TDP. PBO in reverse essentially it will lower your sustain all core by -200mhz.

 

[TheLostSwede]

E=I*R
P=I*E

Except that doesn't apply in this case, since we're looking at the package Voltage, not the actual CPU chiplet Voltage. In fact, there are no monitoring of the chiplet Voltage, at least not any user facing monitoring. In fact, what we might be seeing, is a combination of the Voltage going to the CCD(s) and I/O die, or it could just be the CCD Voltage. AMD hasn't made any public comment yet.

 

[tabascosauz]

CPB/MCE off will disable all forms of boost on Ryzen 3000 and keep it at base clock. PBO off generally does literally nothing.

You can try either setting a manual clock and stable Vcore, setting an offset with boost (-0.05 is a good place to start), and / or setting a custom fan curve.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record at this point and getting tired of repeating this. Idle voltage will be around 1.4-1.5 because no current is being put through. When you load the CPU under single thread, light multicore, light allcore, or full load, you will see the respective Vcore that the chip requests and receives at those levels. Setting an offset will lower all of those equally, so you can experiment with what's stable and what's not in all of those situations.

But when you apply an offset, you have to test everything. Test stability with one core loaded. Test stability in games with a handful of cores under use. Test stability in stress tests that are light (OCCT). Test full on heavy stress tests (P95). All of those will result in different SVI2 TFN Vcore readings, thus you need to make sure the offset works at every level.

Leave all your prior assumptions or understandings about Vcore at the door. Anyone who says otherwise, that 1.5V with no load on the CPU is a dangerous problem, need not apply and should stick to Core, an architecture that would suit them better.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Some motherboards if you see auto as a voltage setting, right beside it you will see the voltage it is currently running at, you can lock it down by setting to manual.

Get your board manual out and read it.

@Bones or @ShrimpBrime might be able to help

I'll try to put it into perspective best as possible.

So the "Boost" feature is a range, starting from P-state of 3600mhz and up to max XFR frequency single core boost of 4.2ghz.
When you are idle, you will almost always see the highest voltage while single core boost is activated and is how the Cpu reaches 4.2ghz.
The ALL core load will sustain a voltage (for the most part) and will continue to do so until throttle temp is reached at 95c.
Once you've hit the throttle temp, you should see the clocks drop along with the voltage.

If you do not reach 95c with your Ryzen 3000 chip and it still throttles, that will be due to overheating VRM package area. Mount a fan there.

While any Ryzen setup is set with stock values, the Cpu will protect it'self for you. You don't have to worry about it running 90c, even though that's just too hot even for my taste personally.

You can run the chip cooler, but won't impact performance while you have a stock setup.

When you manually overclock, you can pass the throttle point of these chips. ThermTrip is around 110c, the PC will shut right off.

Do take notice, the Cpu fan should reach 100% at 70c. This is the thermal alarm and will not reset until temps are lower than 70c. Some boards are dialed in at 60/65/70c respectively for ramping up the Cpu fan to 100%.

In short, there's no real worries I see here with the system. It's running as it should.

One way to keep it running cool - Leave everything on Auto but change only the multiplier to 36.25x manually. It will keep cpu voltage at max P-state for that chip. You do not need to disable PBO or anything like that, but you do have to add the extra quarter multi. If set to 36x, the system will act as normal boosting and what not.

 

[tabascosauz]

@ShrimpBrime that's nice to know, but the 3600 and 3700X are 65W parts. With stock boost settings, it's power draw and current limit that are hamstringing the chips from max boost all core speeds, 99% of the time.

Setting manual boost clocks and voltages (as a sort of manual OC) is the only way to bypass these safeguards, with the consequence that heavy stress tests like P95 Small/Smallest can draw as much power as they like (I've seen up to 105W+ on my 3700X at just 4.1GHz).

 

[Mussels]

the CPB/MCE thing varies between boards, hence why i mentioned it. My aorus x370 adds 20C for no benefit, while my asus b450 uses it for boost clocks
Some of these things that SHOULD be universal, change between brands - hence the whole 'poke it and see' approach to BIOS settings

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Thermal design point is a figure that has around 5% give and take. The 65w number means nothing besides the amount of BTU per hour it can produce under load.

 

[eidairaman1]

I'll try to put it into perspective best as possible.

So the "Boost" feature is a range, starting from P-state of 3600mhz and up to max XFR frequency single core boost of 4.2ghz.
When you are idle, you will almost always see the highest voltage while single core boost is activated and is how the Cpu reaches 4.2ghz.
The ALL core load will sustain a voltage (for the most part) and will continue to do so until throttle temp is reached at 95c.
Once you've hit the throttle temp, you should see the clocks drop along with the voltage.

If you do not reach 95c with your Ryzen 3000 chip and it still throttles, that will be due to overheating VRM package area. Mount a fan there.

While any Ryzen setup is set with stock values, the Cpu will protect it'self for you. You don't have to worry about it running 90c, even though that's just too hot even for my taste personally.

You can run the chip cooler, but won't impact performance while you have a stock setup.

When you manually overclock, you can pass the throttle point of these chips. ThermTrip is around 110c, the PC will shut right off.

Do take notice, the Cpu fan should reach 100% at 70c. This is the thermal alarm and will not reset until temps are lower than 70c. Some boards are dialed in at 60/65/70c respectively for ramping up the Cpu fan to 100%.

In short, there's no real worries I see here with the system. It's running as it should.

One way to keep it running cool - Leave everything on Auto but change only the multiplier to 36.25x manually. It will keep cpu voltage at max P-state for that chip. You do not need to disable PBO or anything like that, but you do have to add the extra quarter multi. If set to 36x, the system will act as normal boosting and what not.

I know about boost because the FX uses it but I disabled mine along with power states and CnQ, its why I can run 5.0 all day lol.