Ryzen 5800 owners complain about very high MT load temps

[Makaveli]

I shouldn't have to explain that ssd's have finite writes on a computer forum, or do you think they have an infinite write lifespan like hdd's? If you think your ssd drive has an infinite write lifespan start running write speed tests and dont stop and then tell me you don't want to minimize drive writes.

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People were doing this 10 years ago when we had Intel 80GB G2 SSD's.

You are the first person i've seen post anything like this in 6+ years with the endurance on modern drives this practice is not really necessary anymore.

So I will ask the same question did you hit 88 MPH?

 

[oobymach]

People were doing this 10 years ago when we had Intel 80GB G2 SSD's.

You are the first person i've seen post anything like this in 6+ years with the endurance on modern drives this practice is not really necessary anymore.

So I will ask the same question did you hit 88 MPH?

If you think a 5 year lifespan is all you need and plan on throwing your computer away and getting a new one in 5 years with all new drives then no worries but my setup each drive should last twice that and should last through multiple builds. I don't think minimizing writes to an ssd is a bad thing, you apparently don't care.

Since building this setup I've diverted over a terabyte from my main ssd not including downloads and temp. My main drive is already over 5tb of writes on a drive with a 300tb write life or 1/60th its lifespan and it's fairly new and that's with a couple hdd's for temp, movies, downloads, and such.

If you want your ssd to last longer you can follow the steps below, if you think ssd's have infinite write cycles and came here from the future like the super saiyan kid go nuts and fill your drive to capacity and run write speed tests all the time on it. It's not my drive, I don't care what you do with it.

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[EarthDog]

You guys are still droning on about SSD life? Just use your damn drives already... lol. This isn't 2010, people. Move on (also not the thread for it).

 

[oobymach]

I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up, and there are still people out there doing defrags and shit, I'm just trying to help, people seem to think it's funny that their computer has a limited write life or maybe they like throwing money away not my business. I demand more from my investment than they do probably.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up, and there are still people out there doing defrags and shit, I'm just trying to help, people seem to think it's funny that their computer has a limited write life or maybe they like throwing money away not my business. I demand more from my investment than they do probably.

You keep responding, however.

If you have Windows 8 or newer, you aren't defragging the SSD. If you're manually doing it, you're misinformed. TRIM is also a automatic function. My pagefile has ALWAYS been on an SSD.. why wouldn't it? Why the heck would anyone put a PF on an SSD? When used it defeats the purpose of an SSD in the first place. Temp files? SSD. Indexing, always been on. Writes aren't an issue (for 99% of users)... Mmkay?

I don't like throwing money away either. I'm just a realist with how my SSDs are used (to that end an overwhelming majority of use it) and don't go to any length to ensure longer life. 99% of users won't kill their drives with writes, even well past its warranty.

In these days of ssd's where writes need to be minimal

Just know this isn't true at all today. A decade ago, users needed to worry. Today, no. I have no problem with what you do with your system. I'm just informing users that is isn't needed...and hasn't been for several years.

Again, not the place for this....... move along already before the mods step in. I'm out.

 

[oobymach]

You keep responding, however.

If you have Windows 8 or newer, you aren't defragging the SSD. If you're manually doing it, you're misinformed. TRIM is also a automatic function. My pagefile has ALWAYS been on an SSD.. why wouldn't it? Why the heck would anyone put a PF on an SSD? When used it defeats the purpose of an SSD in the first place. Temp files? SSD. Indexing, always been on. Writes aren't an issue (for 99% of users)... Mmkay?

I don't like throwing money away either. I'm just a realist with how my SSDs are used (to that end an overwhelming majority of use it) and don't go to any length to ensure longer life. 99% of users won't kill their drives with writes, even well past its warranty.

Again, not the place for this....... move along already before the mods step in. I'm out.

I used to work tech support for a major computer manufacturer, you'd be surprised how many misinformed people there are. And again sorry to have gone off topic, your setup is your own, do what you want it's not mine.

 

[Makaveli]

If you think a 5 year lifespan is all you need and plan on throwing your computer away and getting a new one in 5 years with all new drives then no worries but my setup each drive should last twice that and should last through multiple builds. I don't think minimizing writes to an ssd is a bad thing, you apparently don't care.

Since building this setup I've diverted over a terabyte from my main ssd not including downloads and temp. My main drive is already over 5tb of writes on a drive with a 300tb write life or 1/60th its lifespan and it's fairly new and that's with a couple hdd's for temp, movies, downloads, and such.

If you want your ssd to last longer you can follow the steps below, if you think ssd's have infinite write cycles and came here from the future like the super saiyan kid go nuts and fill your drive to capacity and run write speed tests all the time on it. It's not my drive, I don't care what you do with it.

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You are preaching to the wrong guy.

I have two intel 160GB G2 drives in Raid 0 still in running that have been up for 10 years. I didn't bother moving swap files and doing what you did. And I will say it again the quality of flash out now with modern controllers you don't need to do this.

That article isn't telling me anything I didn't know already I've been doing this 20 years!

Don't let the picture fool you I am no child.

 

[oobymach]

You are preaching to the wrong guy.

I have two intel 160GB G2 drives in Raid 0 still in running that have been up for 10 years. I didn't bother moving swap files and doing what you did. And I will say it again the quality of flash out now with modern controllers you don't need to do this.

That article isn't telling me anything I didn't know already I've been doing this 20 years!

Don't let the picture fool you I am no child.

We've only really gone from 75-150tbw to 300-600tbw drives. The controllers are better and data is randomized among the open bits more effectively and drive life has been extended on the average consumer level drive but you need to spend mucho dinero to get an ssd with petabytes of endurance. Easier to just reroute your browser and os temp folders, pagefile and downloads onto an hdd, make your ssd last years more. Again sorry for going off topic, I'll try not to do it again.

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[Makaveli]

We've only really gone from 75-150tbw to 300-600tbw drives. The controllers are better and data is randomized among the open bits more effectively and drive life has been extended on the average consumer level drive but you need to spend mucho dinero to get an ssd with petabytes of endurance. Easier to just reroute your browser and os temp folders, pagefile and downloads onto an hdd, make your ssd last years more. Again sorry for going off topic, I'll try not to do it again.

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Sent you a PM as we are going off topic on this thread.

 

[Lindatje]

Ryzen 5800 owners complain about very high MT load temps

They have stock coolers so no problem at all. But it's AMD so it must be bad.... @birdie AMD is always bad in your eyes.

 

[Makaveli]

Ryzen 5800 owners complain about very high MT load temps

They have stock coolers so no problem at all. But it's AMD so it must be bad.... @birdie AMD is always bad in your eyes.

The single CCX 5800 should have high MT load temps since it runs at like 4.55Ghz across all cores when loaded. The difference however is only a few degrees and not the sky is falling that some are making it out to be.

Looking a 8c difference from the 5900X to the 5800X and the latter has two dies to spread the heat and lower all core clocks when loaded. And 2c difference when you compare it to the 3800XT.

Its a none issue with proper cooling.

 

[gerardfraser]

5800X here cheap $40USD CPU AIO Cooler. Not all owners have a problem
4800Mhz all core
CPU voltage- 1.29v Temperature- 72.5 ℃

Cinebench R20 Single core boost on all cores 5100Mhz . Multi drops 4750Mhz
CPU voltage- varies Temperature- 76.5 ℃

 

[birdie]

AMD is always bad in your eyes.

I've never said so, sorry. If it had been a single Reddit thread with a single person, and I would have created a topic like "All Ryzen 5000 CPUs overheat" you could think so. There have been multiple posts on Reddit, with at least a few dozen people reporting very high temperatures using not exactly cheap coolers. So, leave your "I don't love AMD" with yourself please. I don't love a single company in this world - that's outright idiotic. They are just companies and they are looking for maximum profits and we are nothing more than customers for them.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I've never said so, sorry. If it had been a single reddit thread with a single person, and I would have createed a topic like "All ryzen 5000 CPUs overheat" you could think so. There have been multiple posts on Reddit, with at least a few dozen people reporting very high temperatures using not exactly cheap coolers. So, leave your "I don't love AMD" with yourself please. I don't love a single company in this world - that's outright idiotic. They are just companies and they are looking for maximum profits and we are nothing more than customers for them.

Yet you don't pass hyperbolic tension in Nvidia or Intel's direction, is that balanced to you.
Redit comments aren't worth much if people had issues we would have high heat forum issue posts all over, we don't.
Close thread please mods.

 

[birdie]

Yet you don't pass hyperbolic tension in Nvidia or Intel's direction, is that balanced to you.
Redit comments aren't worth much if people had issues we would have high heat forum issue posts all over, we don't.
Close thread please mods.

I have been quite vocal about how low Intel has fallen recently, their inability to execute and bring working 7/10nm nodes to the market. Both ICL and TGL are failures of epic proportions. TGL, for the first time ever, has performance regressions not seen in any previous Intel's uArchs.
I have been quite vocal about how NVIDIA should have chosen TSMC instead of Samsung for its RTX 3000 series.
I have been quite vocal about how NVIDIA has gone overboard with the RTX 3000 power consumption and OC'ing out of the box.
I have been quite vocal about how both NVIDIA/AMD have been ripping us off recently by steadily raising prices for their mid-range cards.

It pains me to see how AMD fans feel personally threatened when someone criticizes their favourite company products as if their own lives depend on AMD's prosperity. I don't remember this phenomenon ever occuring in the past and it's quite cringe worthy actually.

Again, the 5800X overheating is not a witch-hunt, it's an issue not widespread ever before to the same extent. There were isolated reports of Ryzen 3000 CPUs overheating but I've never even noticed them.

Over and out.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I have been quite vocal about how low Intel has fallen recently, their inability to execute and bring working 7/10nm nodes to the market. Both ICL and TGL are failures of epic proportions. TGL, for the first time ever, has performance regressions not seen in any previous Intel's uArchs.
I have been quite vocal about how NVIDIA should have chosen TSMC instead of Samsung for its RTX 3000 series.
I have been quite vocal about how NVIDIA has gone overboard with the RTX 3000 power consumption and OC'ing out of the box.
I have been quite vocal about how both NVIDIA/AMD have been ripping us off recently by steadily raising prices for their mid-range cards.

It pains me to see how AMD fans feel personally threatened when someone criticizes their favourite company products as if their own lives depend on AMD's prosperity. I don't remember this phenomenon ever occuring in the past and it's quite cringe worthy actually.

Again, the 5800X overheating is not a witch-hunt, it's an issue not widespread ever before to the same extent. There were isolated reports of Ryzen 3000 CPUs overheating but I've never even noticed them.

Over and out.

It pains me to see people labeling others , point to all the threads with issues of over heating on Tpu.
Shouldn't take you long what with there being so many.

You may have one lined an intel or Nvidia thread with a post but This, is different.

Always seems to me the staunchest Fans are first to point out other alleged fans, meanwhile with 3 intel systems and 1 AMD I'll sit unbiased by bullsh## quite happy here.

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Keep it civil.

Thank You

 

[Prcoje123]

Guys, there is not chance that difference between sample to sample is 15-20c with similar cooling and conditions. Chips are not bad, it's AGESA or it's some other voltage in BIOS.
If you compare your voltages to Gerard's one, you will see that his IOD, CCD, VDDP voltages are low, and maybe there is a possible fix. If you leave those on auto, my b550 tomahawk VDDP sets it on 1.15v for 3700x, which is ridiculous.
It's not same having 1.15v for example on 5900x and on 5800x/5600x(less noticeable, since it's 65w part), bcz of the die structure.
Crosshair x570 Hero, 2x360pe rad, 1.3v 4850 all core cinebench r20, and the temp was around 72c for 2 samples, but the guy tested it for sure didn't leave voltages on auto. Also, didn't use newest beta bios. It's all board to board. I saw a test with 1.05v VDDP and 76c on 4800mhz, 1.3v, so there needs to be something wrong there. I would test and post, but I don't have a sample yet.

 

[mouacyk]

AMD's got cache!

 

[turbogear]

Well I did not observe any such issues on my Ryzen 5800x.
I have the processor now since a few days and did many tests with it.
I did not notice any temperature reading in range of 90°C.

For me the maximum CPU Tdie temperature remains in range of 62°C when running OCCT V7.1.0.
With the HeavyLoad V3.6, I was able to stress it more and temperature was in range on 76°C max.
With Cinebench R20 Multi-thread stress test the temperatures were similar to Heavyload at 76°C max.

Frequency on all cores during these test was 4800MHz.

I am not sure anymore but if I remember correctly with Ryzen 3700x that I had before I think I observed similar temperatures.

I have PBO turned on in the bios.
The Windows power options is at Balanced Mode.
I am using ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) with bios version 2502 (AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.1.0.0 Patch C ).

I have a full water cooler loop with Ryzen 5800x and Radeon VII included.
Here is the cooling setup:
Pump reservoir combo with EK-DDC 3.2 PWM, three EK Rads 1x360mm+1x240mm+1x120mm , CPU block XSPC RayStorm Pro, EK Waterblock for Radeon VII


Here are the temperature reading with 20minutes of HeavyLoad stress test run.
These readings are from HWiNFO64 v6.35-4310: