Ryzen Owners: Is Alder Lake tempting enough to switch to Intel?

[Why_Me]

My last Intel rig was a 1Ghz Pentium III. Then I built an Athlon XP 2500+ Batron rig and never looked back. Sticking with AMD.

So you missed out on the likes of the 2500K eh. Good job.

 

[Mussels]

My 2600X and 1060 6GB are still chugging along. Might swap in a 5600X in a year or so, assuming that GPUs also become more available, but at the moment the entire 12th gen setup is far too expensive to justify.

having a 2700x and 5800x here, holy crap the performance gap is huge between them - when i made the change i had a GTX 1080, so you will still absolutely see a huge performance increase with that upgrade

Edit: To be clear, at 60Hz/60FPS cap you may not see a huge change, but above that? big.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Alder lake is very interesting to me. Gaming is the big demanding thing I do, and alder lake excels. The big thing is one game, Sins of a solar empire rebellion, a game I love playing, and one that is entirely single threaded. It also uses AVX, so my poor 9700k only runs 4.6 GHz on a single core. In the late game, that simply isnt enough. An alder lake chip hitting 5.2 with AVX1 turned on is mighty tempting.

It seem silly to upgrade though, given the high cost of DDR5 and the lack of GPUs. Tempted, but might wait for raptor lake/zen 4.

having a 2700x and 5800x here, holy crap the performance gap is huge between them - when i made the change i had a GTX 1080, so you will still absolutely see a huge performance increase with that upgrade

The intercore latency of zen and zen+ was horrific. zen 2 was better, but zen 3 was the truly competitive model.

Zen + was the reason I went intel on my current rig.

 

[SIGSEGV]

2700x user say big no no. thanks

 

[Why_Me]

Tough to beat Intel atm if you're into gaming.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

My 12700k is oc'd to 5ghz P 3.9ghz E killer

 

[Mussels]

Tough to beat Intel atm if you're into gaming.

What that shows is if you have a 165Hz or lower monitor, buy a 5600x and save money

 

[Sithaer]

Tough to beat Intel atm if you're into gaming.

This also depends on how you define 'gaming'.
I'm still using a 1600x and for the most part its enough since I don't play competitive games at all and all my games are capped at 75 FPS since I have a 2560x1080 75Hz monitor.
For that even this CPU is enough and most of the time I'm GPU bound anyway, only reason I might upgrade to a R5 3600 is cause I do play some games that are single/dual core stressed at most so the better IPC would help in that case.
Other than that its all the same to me really.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What that shows is if you have a 165Hz or lower monitor, buy a 5600x and save money

Or are 4k gaming.

CPU means little in that case ATM

A 12700k would up my FPS by negligible amounts at 4k with a Vega64

 

[Why_Me]

This also depends on how you define 'gaming'.
I'm still using a 1600x and for the most part its enough since I don't play competitive games at all and all my games are capped at 75 FPS since I have a 2560x1080 75Hz monitor.
For that even this CPU is enough and most of the time I'm GPU bound anyway, only reason I might upgrade to a R5 3600 is cause I do play some games that are single/dual core stressed at most so the better IPC would help in that case.
Other than that its all the same to me really.

I can't play anything other than first person shooters. Those other games bore me to death.

Or are 4k gaming.

CPU means little in that case ATM

A 12700k would up my FPS by negligible amounts at 4k with a Vega64

4K doesn't really work for first person shooter games. Might as well get a console and play on a TV with a set of earbuds and bowl of popcorn as to save money on the monitor and gpu.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I can't play anything other than first person shooters. Those other games bore me to death.


4K doesn't really work for first person shooter games. Might as well get a console and play on a TV with a set of earbuds and bowl of popcorn as to save money on the monitor and gpu.

You do you , but please leave me to decide what works for me, I have been a casual gamer quite the while now.

 

[Mussels]

Or are 4k gaming.

CPU means little in that case ATM

A 12700k would up my FPS by negligible amounts at 4k with a Vega64

You can still game at 4K 144hz on that (or 120hz, most likely) by lowering settings

 

[Caring1]

Tough to beat Intel atm if you're into gaming.

Good old Tom's.
Where's the power draw overlay, didn't they have a chart big enough?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Good old Tom's.
Where's the power draw overlay, didn't they have a chart big enough?

They ran out of paper after drawing the tests where intel was leading

 

[Deleted member 202104]

To answer the original poll: Yes, it was.

 

[Sithaer]

You do you , but please leave me to decide what works for me, I have been a casual gamer quite the while now.

Exactly, even for single player FPS games I'm all good with my 75 FPS cap, I don't touch multiplayer FPS titles in the first place. 'at most I play MMOs but those aint fps hungry anyway'
Like I said the only reason I even consider and CPU upgrade is the IPC improvement for the crappy optimized or older titles that only use 1-2 thread.

And obviously using a high res display you can get away with older CPUs cause the demand is mainly shifted to the GPU anyway.

 

[Mussels]

Exactly, even for single player FPS games I'm all good with my 75 FPS cap, I don't touch multiplayer FPS titles in the first place. 'at most I play MMOs but those aint fps hungry anyway'
Like I said the only reason I even consider and CPU upgrade is the IPC improvement for the crappy optimized or older titles that only use 1-2 thread.

And obviously using a high res display you can get away with older CPUs cause the demand is mainly shifted to the GPU anyway.

That's a common misunderstanding, although your wording on it is better than most
Demand doesnt shift, or change places. 4K doesnt mean a weaker CPU suddenly runs better.


You wouldnt say that moving from an RTX 3090 to a GTX980 'shifts the load' or suddenly the CPU becomes less important - but it's about the same as moving from 1080p to 4K

All that happens with say, going from 1080p to 4K is that the GPU is now the bottleneck, hiding other bottlenecks behind it.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I don't give a shit about power draw. My loop cools it totally fine even at 100% so what difference does it make to me if it draws 240w or more full chat. Heat is the only thing that matters, keep it within the 100c limit and all's good. Can't argue cost to me either as my chip and board cost me zero.

I am very happy with the ADL system, it was a phenomenal jump from a 2600x with 16gb 3200mhz C16 ram to this with 32gb 3800mhz C16 ram.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I wll probably wait for Meteorlake to Replace my 5800X based system the gains for alderlake at 1440p and 4k the two resolutions I game at are too small and my 5950X is faster in the other stuff I use my PC for. I would gain more from updating my 2080 ti to RTX 4000 or RDNA 3 next year.


I was still tempted but grabbed an LG 48 C1 which imo is a much more profound upgrade than AL would have been.

Not a huge fan at gaming at 1080p medium settings to get noticeable gains with a cpu

 

[Psychoholic]

I don't give a shit about power draw. My loop cools it totally fine even at 100% so what difference does it make to me if it draws 240w or more full chat. Heat is the only thing that matters, keep it within the 100c limit and all's good. Can't argue cost to me either as my chip and board cost me zero.

I am very happy with the ADL system, it was a phenomenal jump from a 2600x with 16gb 3200mhz C16 ram to this with 32gb 3800mhz C16 ram.

Yep, I don't understand the big fuss about power draw, maybe it would be a big deal if it was in a laptop, but who cares on a desktop.

Also, These chips CAN be pretty efficient, the problem is motherboards by default are pushing ALOT of voltage, my 12900k was 1.34v default voltage, I'm running it at 1.23v and have not touched the clocks and its rock solid stable.

max around 74C(Full load) and high 40s-Low50s Gaming on AIR.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yep, I don't understand the big fuss about power draw, maybe it would be a big deal if it was in a laptop, but who cares on a desktop.

Also, These chips CAN be pretty efficient, the problem is motherboards by default are pushing ALOT of voltage, my 12900k was 1.34v default voltage, I'm running it at 1.23v and have not touched the clocks and its rock solid stable.

max around 74C(Full load) and high 40s-Low50s Gaming on AIR.

I have mine at 5ghz/P and 3.9ghz/E at 1.29v (wonder if it will do it with less) and my temps are great.

 

[Mussels]

Yep, I don't understand the big fuss about power draw, maybe it would be a big deal if it was in a laptop, but who cares on a desktop.

spot the two americans, probably in colder climates
(Edit: Yes thats sarcasm and sass. It's 37C here today with a thunderstorm on the way. It's hot.)

When ambients at 40C and you pay 30 cents per kw/h of electricity...

 

[Deleted member 202104]

spot the two americans, probably in colder climates

When ambients at 40C and you pay 30 cents per kw/h of electricity...

JHC

One's from TX where it's hot, the other is from the UK.

My 12700k box idles 20w less than my 5950x did. My PC's at idle more than it's at 100% load. Also, where I live it's over 38c for like three months straight every year. Amd power is 23-46 cents per KWh on a scale - the more you use, the more you pay.

You like AMD - we get it.

 

[Outback Bronze]

A 12700k would up my FPS by negligible amounts at 4k with a Vega64

Agreed, even with a high end GPU it will make little difference especially when adding 8x AA+ : )

 

[Sithaer]

That's a common misunderstanding, although your wording on it is better than most
Demand doesnt shift, or change places. 4K doesnt mean a weaker CPU suddenly runs better.


You wouldnt say that moving from an RTX 3090 to a GTX980 'shifts the load' or suddenly the CPU becomes less important - but it's about the same as moving from 1080p to 4K

All that happens with say, going from 1080p to 4K is that the GPU is now the bottleneck, hiding other bottlenecks behind it.

That is true, but yea I get your point and you get mine so its fine.
True a weaker CPU wont suddenly become better if its used in a 4k or even 1440p environment but its less noticeable if you don't push a high end GPU or a high refresh display.
Basically if I'm already GPU limited in the first place then I'm less likely to care about a possible CPU upgrade unless I'm playing crappy 1-2 core optimized titles.'this is I'm still debating with myself if I even need a 3600 or not but a certain game in 2022 might decide that'

High refresh gaming would also have a big say in this but as it is currently it does not play a role in my decisions cause yea I don't plan to upgrade my monitor anytime soon and even then I'm more interested in upping my Ultrawide resolution/image quality than referesh rate.