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Why do Asus motherboards have a TPM header? Long story short, I ended up buying a TPM module to fit the header on the motherboard just to find out that I didn't need it in the first place I feel really mad :mad:
So you can bring the TPM module and its installed keys to another machine, and transfer the keys


Oh god that 4690K is in for a beating vs a ryzen - remember that many of these benchmarks with the Gflops etc are *not* comparable between generations
I moved from a 4770k to a ryzen 1400, and despite synthetic benches being even or sometimes worse, game performance was better... and that chip ss garbage vs modern ryzen
 
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So you mean the guy that steals your drives can also get the keys? :p

I didn't lost much time with the TPM module, but i don't think you can even enable it on the bios.
 
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So you can bring the TPM module and its installed keys to another machine, and transfer the keys
TPMs won't release keys if the hardware changes, so this is impossible.

It's more if you have specific needs you can use your own TPM,,ie a TPM 1.2 module instead of 2.0 or something.
 

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It's for businesses so that if a board dies, they can re-use the TPM module and not lose encrypted data
 
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So you mean the guy that steals your drives can also get the keys? :p

I didn't lost much time with the TPM module, but i don't think you can even enable it on the bios.
On my X570 Strix E there is BIOS setting for TPM in the Advanced tab Pro installed no problem and all my drives are mine. I updated my Gaming laptop and it installed Home, which automatically encrypted my D drive without providing me with a (45 Character) key. I did not install One drive, well enable it anyway. I had to format it. As a result I had to reinstall my Steam Games.
 
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It's for businesses so that if a board dies, they can re-use the TPM module and not lose encrypted data
But... that's literally not how TPM works, AFAIK.

Maybe I am wrong. TPMs are not my favorite subject and remain somewhat understudied.
 
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But... that's literally not how TPM works, AFAIK.

Maybe I am wrong. TPMs are not my favorite subject and remain somewhat understudied.
The TPM keys can be used for drive encryption, move the module (or with a firmware variant, copy the keys) and the new board can decrypt the drive


Remember, thats optional
 
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The TPM keys can be used for drive encryption, move the module (or with a firmware variant, copy the keys) and the new board can decrypt the drive


Remember, thats optional
The keys aren't released if the hardware changes... heck even the bios updating is enough for the TPM to throw the lockdown on your keys. You'd need your (hopefully seperataely saved, like bitlocker tells you to do) recovery key. That's TPM 101.
 

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I am impressed with how much voltage these boards can feed the CPU's on their own. Even at stock clocks it still gives 1.5v+ so might as well enable PBO lol..

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The keys aren't released if the hardware changes... heck even the bios updating is enough for the TPM to throw the lockdown on your keys. You'd need your (hopefully seperataely saved, like bitlocker tells you to do) recovery key. That's TPM 101.

Funnily enough I wonder if I had my first taste of Win 11 TPM shenanigans yesterday. It always seemed like TPM is hardly used on Win 10 and 11 outside of Secure Boot-active systems.

I didn't reinstall when going from the Unify-X to the Impact. On login, Windows threw a hissy fit about re-verifying my identity and changing my PIN. Bunch of apps needed to be signed into again. Win 10 would have needed nothing aside from reactivation.

Later I updated from 3402 to the current 3801 BIOS, and upon login Windows again prompted me to reset my PIN. It is a new board but I had otherwise rebooted multiple times yesterday without it happening.

fTPM enabled but no secure boot, so no hardware/virtualization security enabled. Pretty interesting.

I am impressed with how much voltage these boards can feed the CPU's on their own. Even at stock clocks it still gives 1.5v+ so might as well enable PBO lol..

After staring at 1.51-1.54v peaks I'm now fully convinced that the SVI2 TFN Vcore is 100% bullshit at idle. The Impact has an op-amp to switch between die sense and socket sense Vcore, and when set to die sense it properly measures idle Vcore down to about 0.3v, like Ryzen Master would. Also peaks at 1.5v or less.

The SVI2 reading I find can peak higher when PBO enabled. It honestly doesn't matter what PBO is even set to since I usually only use PBO to run lower than stock limits, it just has a higher likelihood of bogus max peak numbers.
 
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The keys aren't released if the hardware changes... heck even the bios updating is enough for the TPM to throw the lockdown on your keys. You'd need your (hopefully seperataely saved, like bitlocker tells you to do) recovery key. That's TPM 101.
changing CPU deletes the keys when using firmware based TPM

A simple hardware failure and poof, all gone (which is why i dont recommend home users, encrypt)
 
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changing CPU deletes the keys when using firmware based TPM
Mussels... changing the CPU deletes ANY properly functioning TPMs keys (unless you have some sort of master key to reenroll).

Thats my point. That is kind of TPMs point.
 
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TPM = do not want.
 
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Is that a 5900x or 5950x?
 
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TPM = do not want.
There are actually use cases for it but they nearly all are rooted in either data encryption or DRM... and most of us could use less of that, not more.
 
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The L3 cache performance fix is live on the W11 beta channel, for anyone who needs it

You can un-enroll from beta after its live on public
 

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The L3 cache performance fix is live on the W11 beta channel, for anyone who needs it

You can un-enroll from beta after its live on public

I will gladly take a [relatively] prompt fix, but I'm not so sure whether it's actually fixed, still looking kinda sus.........

Also isn't it the case that you have to wait until the next major release before you actually stop getting beta builds, even after you unenroll? Unless you clean install again

Win 10 | Win 11 bugged | Win 11 "fixed":

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I am overdue for another clean install though, so we'll see.
 
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Storage Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, Hitachi HUS724040ALE640 4TB
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Mouse Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
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Software Win 7 sp1 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit
Benchmark Scores CB R15 64bit: single core 173p, multicore 1306p
I will gladly take a [relatively] prompt fix, but I'm not so sure whether it's actually fixed, still looking kinda sus.........

Also isn't it the case that you have to wait until the next major release before you actually stop getting beta builds, even after you unenroll? Unless you clean install again

Win 10 | Win 11 bugged | Win 11 "fixed":

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I am overdue for another clean install though, so we'll see.
So the fix isn't good enough. Win11 is a fail for Ryzen CPUs until they make it work as well as Win7 & 10 do.
 

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Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS)
Benchmark Scores I don't quite know how i managed to get such a top tier PC, I am not rich.
I will gladly take a [relatively] prompt fix, but I'm not so sure whether it's actually fixed, still looking kinda sus.........

Also isn't it the case that you have to wait until the next major release before you actually stop getting beta builds, even after you unenroll? Unless you clean install again

Win 10 | Win 11 bugged | Win 11 "fixed":

View attachment 221088View attachment 221086View attachment 221087

I am overdue for another clean install though, so we'll see.
Remember that we don't have the CPCC2 thingy that chooses the fastest cores yet, a small performance loss like 770 dropping to 730 is reasonable - dropping to 187 however, was f*cked

So the fix isn't good enough. Win11 is a fail for Ryzen CPUs until they make it work as well as Win7 & 10 do.
There is a missing feature from the CPU's that needs a chipset driver. That small performance loss was well known and expected (the large one was not)
 
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