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i just picked the first temp reading i found for a before and after result

Maybe its the liquid metal TIM, but those temps are basically identical here
Well then. I can tell you for me they're like 15C apart at times. I'm not using LM though... ...just MX-4. A lot of times they're similar, but when I go into max load, tctl/tdie takes the lead pretty quickly. I dunno maybe some boards have that fixed in the bios, now. News to me if that's true.

RAM slots... ...I can't even try that with my RAM. For whatever reason they'll only seat in slots 1 and 3. And only in a particular order. Don't know why, but it's the case with 3 different boards. Contacts are screwed up in an oddly particular way I guess. I'll try it with my new sticks when I get em, though. I can see how it might matter, though it probably depends on the PCB.
 
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Got my b-die today. Splurged a little on two 8gb sticks of the fancy TridentZ 3600MHz CL17 sticks. Not the biggest fan of RGB but they're b-die and they do look really nice. Maybe not the BEST b-die out there, but pretty good. I'm more excited about it than I should be. That may partially be because I just paid $220 for 16gb of ram when I already had two 4gb sticks of another make. If I didn't love it, it'd hurt me badly. :oops:


My mobo specifies slot A2 and B2 for two sticks. If you're looking straight at the board normally, going left to right, it goes A1, A2, B1, B2. Tried slot pair 1 and had trouble getting 3200 to work, though ultimately I squeezed by. Now, in pair 2 I'm running stable w/ 3466MHz/CL16 @ 1.4v DRAM and 1.1v SOC. Probably not even the best they can do, just the first config that worked :)

So there's something to it, yeah. I believe it, too. If things like PCB thickness can affect RAM performance, then I can see how length of the leads or general circuit path could, too.


Honestly, pretty happy with this RAM. I expected maybe 3200 without serious tweaking - I mostly wanted to upgrade to 16GB and stay with two sticks instead of adding two more 4GB sticks and slowing down my already slowish RAM. So 3466MHz ain't that bad to me! Gotta be something like a 20% raw RAM performance increase, even if overall system performance doesn't go up by nearly that much.

I'll definitely be diving into the masochistic tedium and hell of RAM sub-timing tweaking, though. Gotta get your money's worth when you shell out for binned RAM. I want that advertised bandwidth, mannn.

Limited experience with the Ryzen DRAM Calculator proved promising. Thank god for that. I had to input my own latency values, as the XMP values the app spit out didn't match my sticks, but the timings it fed me for 3600 almost got me there. It booted and ran stuff... coulda fooled me into thinking it was stable. Couldn't do that stock... ...not to mention auto timings pushed primaries up to the mid 20's o_O Probably a little painstaking twiddling away from actually getting there just using the calculator and my brain.

I also haven't played with D.O.C.P. yet. But at this point I really have little faith in anything hands off to give the most optimal performance at the most sensible settings. But in the case of RAM, stupidly tedious as it can be to mess with dozens of cryptic settings, I'd welcome that option if it really worked to my liking. But I really don't think it's going to get me to the level I want... ...or more just know I can get to on my own and do it better, even if it's more time for not that much gain. It at least presents a great opportunity to learn about how current stuff works. I'm tempted to pass on D.O.C.P..

Realistically, I feel like I should aspire for a max of 3400MHz with tightest possible timings. Hell, if I can drop primaries by 2 points from 3400 to 3200, I'll probably do 3200. Never really saw much suggesting where the line is with Ryzen... ...where the infinity fabric boost is overcome by slack in timings. A little here and there, but no consensus optimal range. I assume overall latency still matters, and past a certain point bandwidth just doesn't help as much as overall lower latency would. I mean, if you think of RAM bandwidth as a bottleneck for infinity fabric, then there has to be a point where you blow that open and cross over into the zone of nothing but performance expenses. I just kinda assume anything over 3000MHz is generally good. Is that fair?

What I'm most curious about is if, after I get this setup and stable, I can actually get to the full 4.3GHz with my 2600, without increasing voltage too much. I really do feel like the RAM I had in before was holding it back. Contacts were damaged, and it wasn't the best to begin with. I was pushing the limit hard - it was never meant to do that lol. And I feel like if there was a point where stability would break down, it'd be that. I've already seen how even slight RAM instability can actually increase the need for more CPU vcore to keep the whole thing going in stress tests. I've hit CPU clock speed walls by overclocking my RAM too much. I was able to hit 4.3GHz before, but only by clocking my old ram back down to stock. 2666 would work, too, but only with too much vcore to the CPU.

Can anybody chime in on their experiences with b-die and Ryzen chips? I'll be playing with it a lot soon and putting that out there, but it's always good to have others' experiences in hand going into something like this.
 
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got my ram to 3400 with no changes at all and on the lower SoC voltage

i just couldnt leave it at stock any longer, felt wrong
 
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I only know that b-dies are the best.
Gonna try lower latencies, brb.

Ok, 3333MHz 16-18-18-36 works at 1.35v, and 1v SoC.
 
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Guess I can finally join in on this. Currently working on memory tweaking, this seems to be all the all core setup can handle.

 
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I need some Samsung b dies. The hynix stuff I have is letting me down
Know what you mean, but they are cheap to purchase on Kingston HyperX sticks atm.

Don't know about other enthusiasts on here, but I like to keep at least 2 sets of ram for my OC rig, 1 for "emergencies" & the other for top performance.

Can never trust anything with new tech to be 100% reliable AND stable always...
 

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Know what you mean, but they are cheap to purchase on Kingston HyperX sticks atm.

Don't know about other enthusiasts on here, but I like to keep at least 2 sets of ram for my OC rig, 1 for "emergencies" & the other for top performance.

Can never trust anything with new tech to be 100% reliable AND stable always...


This looks like were I am settling out. 3000 causing BSoD at the same timings which should be good for 3200+ on these Hynix MFR sticks.
 
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This looks like were I am settling out. 3000 causing BSoD at the same timings which should be good for 3200+ on these Hynix MFR sticks.
TR2 platform, I'm only judging my Hynix chip ram on B450 board. How much Vdimm you got on those?
 

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TR2 platform, I'm only judging my Hynix chip ram on B450 board. How much Vdimm you got on those?
1.39v is what stilt recommended in his MFR guide, so that's what they have. I could probably notch them back to 1.35 at this point.

 
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B-die is nice. Just seems to keep going where my micron just wouldn't. Takes a lot of coaxing but the potential is there. Really going in on sub-timings seems to be a must, though. I'm slowly whittling it down to where I want to be. Definitely cool to see it just boot right up at 3600. Not sure I can get that to run reasonably, but still pretty neat coming from stuff I could barely, and never consistently get 3200 out of with much looser timings.

Know what you mean, but they are cheap to purchase on Kingston HyperX sticks atm.

Don't know about other enthusiasts on here, but I like to keep at least 2 sets of ram for my OC rig, 1 for "emergencies" & the other for top performance.

Can never trust anything with new tech to be 100% reliable AND stable always...
I never mean to, but it happens that way a lot. And it definitely feels good.

The HyperX I have isn't bad as just kind of the "steady/it works" option. Very affordable.
 
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Goddangit CDA, me with 1700X & 1770cb+, 2990X is not even in Israel (IsraHell, :laugh:), or 2000 series TRs for that matter. 1950X is the closest & prices range in few thousands of sheckels & don't have tendency to drop. How do you get one for free along with 2700X & 8700K? :roll: jk
 
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I need some Samsung b dies. The hynix stuff I have is letting me down
There are some cheap $390 (2x8GB kits) of Teamgroup B-Die on Newegg.
Team Dark Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TDPGD416G3200HC14ADC01

$189 per kit.

Which is just slightly higher than the $380 shipped I paid for my 4x8GB TridentZ RGB B-die kit a couple weeks ago.
 
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@cdawall:

About the b-die RAM, get Flare X 3200 or 3466MHz CL14 & have zero issues. Running them @ 3200MHz/CL14/1.35v, 3.85GHz/1.37v on my 1700X & no issues, 3.9GHz needs 1.4v though & not stable in P95 Small FFTs test, but i digress. :)
 

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Yea I might sit on these until the rumored single sided 16gb stuff hits.
 

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Very close to picking up a 2600X for my main rig. How many of you have 32 GB (2x 16 GB) memory running 2666 or higher stable?
 
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Very close to picking up a 2600X for my main rig. How many of you have 32 GB (2x 16 GB) memory running 2666 or higher stable?
here's what i got
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used to run at 3000 with older BIOS tho.
 
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Finally my 1700X arrived, unfortunately the Corsair Vengeance LPX kit I got doesn't want to run at anything above 2400Mhz , just by selecting the XMP profile haven't touched timings and whatnot. I guess it's not Samsung stuff, I read not all of these Corsair kits are, oh well.
 
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@Vya Domus Ryzen is super picky about timings. Standard XMP profiles and auto settings just dont work. Not for me anyway. I've never seen anything this picky. Hopefully this gets sorted one day.

You could always try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. It works with a lot of different types of RAM. On that page youll find instructions on how to see what manufacturer and die your DRAM actually is and get your latencies for the calculator. May still squeeze a lil more out, even if it's not b-die.
 
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Are you on the latest BIOS?
 
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@Vya Domus Ryzen is super picky about timings. Standard XMP profiles and auto settings just dont work. Not for me anyway. I've never seen anything this picky. Hopefully this gets sorted one day.

You could always try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. It works with a lot of different types of RAM. On that page youll find instructions on how to see what manufacturer and die your DRAM actually is and get your latencies for the calculator. May still squeeze a lil more out, even if it's not b-die.
I know the deal, I'll look into it when I get the time. Can't be bothered for now the thing flies anyway. The most impressive thing is the power consumption and the temps, under load with my Katana 4 it barely gets to mid 50s. When I was gaming or something of the sort it was like sitting next to a furnace with my old FX 6300.

Are you on the latest BIOS?
Not even sure, apparently the AGESA version is 1.0.0.4.
 
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Not even sure, apparently the AGESA version is 1.0.0.4.
Same here. Try increasing the SoC voltage, I need 1v for anything over 3133MHz.
 

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Soc to 1.10 or 1.15, and update dat bios

BIOS updates on my board let me get much higher ram speeds at lower voltages every time they update AGESA
 
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