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Mate it to Xeon Lga1366 board ......waaaaa.. laaaa
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just found something interesting
was doing testing earlier between the windows power plan options and accidentally left my system on the windows power saving plan

played rimworld... 60FPS where i normally flatline 144
thought about it, changed plan back to ryzen balanced... 144FPS.

Seems like in low load situations, the CPU would not clock up... which may be what AMD tried to fix with their custom plans.

Edit: i re-tested to be sure and it definitely was occuring, CPU % in power saving are the default 5% and 100%, so it SHOULD be clocking up
 
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just found something interesting
was doing testing earlier between the windows power plan options and accidentally left my system on the windows power saving plan

played rimworld... 60FPS where i normally flatline 144
thought about it, changed plan back to ryzen balanced... 144FPS.

Seems like in low load situations, the CPU would not clock up... which may be what AMD tried to fix with their custom plans.
Big find there and I hope that all reviewers use the energy plans AMD made for its CPUs when testing them. The energy plan matters muchly especially for gaming.
 
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just found something interesting
was doing testing earlier between the windows power plan options and accidentally left my system on the windows power saving plan

played rimworld... 60FPS where i normally flatline 144
thought about it, changed plan back to ryzen balanced... 144FPS.

Seems like in low load situations, the CPU would not clock up... which may be what AMD tried to fix with their custom plans.

Edit: i re-tested to be sure and it definitely was occurring, CPU % in power saving are the default 5% and 100%, so it SHOULD be clocking up
This is interesting. By default the systems I build are set to performance mode and they are left there. Wondering if the combined manual settings in the bios are why I'm not having the same problems as many others.
 
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I see y'all have been full steam ahead on your Ryzen game.

I'm still chilling on my 2600. Like really man... at 4ghz it does run on the cool side. Lean and mean. I gotta say I'm thrilled with the balance I've struck with my system. Pretty efficient even running an all-core.

But in the back of my mind is a masochistic voice whispering faint notions of putting a 3700x in my x370 board... it's like I can't not screw up a good thing. Because I see that what I have is good, I must mess with it.

Kinda figure I'll drop it in, slap my cooler on it... aaaannnd just seehowitgoes. :ohwell:

What spurred this on was the recent bios update for my board, the Asus Strix x370-f. Looks like they're starting to catch up and it's got me thinking it might be nice to have some Zen 2 in my life. Seeking anecdotal information on how this might shake out. I believe @Kursah is running Zen 2 on the same board. How's that going for ya bud? I'm sure you've dumped plenty of tidbits on it. Don't wanna take up too much of your time. I will ultimately see for myself. Just wondering if you have any comments on the idea.
 
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just found something interesting
was doing testing earlier between the windows power plan options and accidentally left my system on the windows power saving plan

played rimworld... 60FPS where i normally flatline 144
thought about it, changed plan back to ryzen balanced... 144FPS.

Seems like in low load situations, the CPU would not clock up... which may be what AMD tried to fix with their custom plans.

Edit: i re-tested to be sure and it definitely was occuring, CPU % in power saving are the default 5% and 100%, so it SHOULD be clocking up
That actually doesn't surprise me at all since the Power Saver Plan is a Windows 10 plan and AMD Released the Ryzen Balanced and Ryzen High Performance Plans specifically for use with Ryzen CPUs.
 

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What spurred this on was the recent bios update for my board, the Asus Strix x370-f. Looks like they're starting to catch up and it's got me thinking it might be nice to have some Zen 2 in my life. Seeking anecdotal information on how this might shake out. I believe @Kursah is running Zen 2 on the same board. How's that going for ya bud? I'm sure you've dumped plenty of tidbits on it. Don't wanna take up too much of your time. I will ultimately see for myself. Just wondering if you have any comments on the idea.

I'm not running a Zen2, still on my 2700X at this point. I want to snag a 3600 or 3700 at some point. But all the way up to the 3800 is on the approved CPU list after July's BIOS upgrade (iirc it was that one).

I will say that recent BIOS updates brought back PBO, and then the following update fixed a PBO issue I was having...higher temps and lower PBO clocks. I now no longer have to run a modded BIOS to have proper PBO. So far my 2700X and X370 combo has been quite solid overall. Kinda ho-hum on the OC-side of things, but really that's not an issue this time around.

If I do snag a Zen2, I'll definitely letcha know. If you snag one soon, I'd love to hear how it works on these boards. From what I've read the VRM's on these are similar to the higher-end boards so taking on the higher-end Zen2 CPU's shouldn't be an issue at all. :)
 

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just found something interesting
was doing testing earlier between the windows power plan options and accidentally left my system on the windows power saving plan

played rimworld... 60FPS where i normally flatline 144
thought about it, changed plan back to ryzen balanced... 144FPS.

Seems like in low load situations, the CPU would not clock up... which may be what AMD tried to fix with their custom plans.

Edit: i re-tested to be sure and it definitely was occuring, CPU % in power saving are the default 5% and 100%, so it SHOULD be clocking up
They make RPP hard enough to find to install tho lol had to dig thru chipset folders till I found it and installed and rebooted
 
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They make RPP hard enough to find to install tho lol had to dig thru chipset folders till I found it and installed and rebooted
The Ryzen Power Plans are included in the Chipset Drivers and should install automatically when you install the Chipset Drivers and reboot.
They did when I had a Ryzen 5 2600 and again when I updated with my 3700x installed.
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The Ryzen Power Plans are included in the Chipset Drivers and should install automatically when you install the Chipset Drivers and reboot.
They did when I had a Ryzen 5 2600 and again when I updated with my 3700x installed.

They did not over the last 2 released chipset drivers. Hence my searching and googling to figure out how to install... Others have had the issue which led to the solution (location of rpp exe)

The link is of no use to me as I have the latest chipset drivers
 
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They did not over the last 2 released chipset drivers. Hence my searching and googling to figure out how to install... Others have had the issue which led to the solution (location of rpp exe)

The link is of no use to me as I have the latest chipset drivers
Actually the last 2 older chipset drivers (1.07.29.0115 and 1.07.07.0725) included them as well.
And the few before that just had the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan included.

I built my Ryzen System last November (with a Ryzen 5 2600) and the Ryzen balanced Power Plan was installed with every Chipset Driver I installed since then and the last 3 included the Ryzen High Performance Plan as well.

I have no idea why they got automatically installed on my system and not yours unless you were using drivers from your MB manufacturer and not the drivers from AMD.
 
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Actually the last 2 older chipset drivers (1.07.29.0115 and 1.07.07.0725) included them as well.
And the few before that just had the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan included.

I built my Ryzen System last November (with a Ryzen 5 2600) and the Ryzen balanced Power Plan was installed with every Chipset Driver I installed since then and the last 3 included the Ryzen High Performance Plan as well.

I have no idea why they got automatically installed on my system and not yours unless you were using drivers from your MB manufacturer and not the drivers from AMD.
I downloaded directly from amd, as I stated before rpp just didn't install with the rest of it.
 
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I downloaded directly from amd, as I stated before rpp just didn't install with the rest of it.
Yeah, that's weird.
It must just be a quirk in the Installer.
 
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I'm not running a Zen2, still on my 2700X at this point. I want to snag a 3600 or 3700 at some point. But all the way up to the 3800 is on the approved CPU list after July's BIOS upgrade (iirc it was that one).

I will say that recent BIOS updates brought back PBO, and then the following update fixed a PBO issue I was having...higher temps and lower PBO clocks. I now no longer have to run a modded BIOS to have proper PBO. So far my 2700X and X370 combo has been quite solid overall. Kinda ho-hum on the OC-side of things, but really that's not an issue this time around.

If I do snag a Zen2, I'll definitely letcha know. If you snag one soon, I'd love to hear how it works on these boards. From what I've read the VRM's on these are similar to the higher-end boards so taking on the higher-end Zen2 CPU's shouldn't be an issue at all. :)
Well, either way good to hear!

And yeah, it's really not a bad board. Buildzoid himself called it overbuilt, heh. Funny anecdote. Back when I first assembled this system was having some rounds of everyone's favorite game... "Testbench With Your Main Rig." I wanted to see what the absolute max thermal, power, and stability headroom was for the setup... mostly out of boredom. I figured if I fry it, my 40 lashes is buying new hardware. And somehow life goes on...

But I digress. I was getting to max power draw on air, for my particular setup, anyway. With an overclock just a hair over 4.3ghz and a ton of voltage, I managed to get over 250W ripping through the traces... can't remember the exact number but it was definitely closer to 300W than 200! That I remember distinctly. Upon loading the system down, just trying to hit everything at once, wattage pegged at 250 and my eyes bugged out as I watched it steadily climb. I did this a small handful of times... always with the same conclusion. Hard power down... just up and quit. Now, here's where it gets kind of interesting. The CPU was actually stable enough to complete the tests consistently, which I learned by turning the voltage down a couple of stops. If I really pushed I could make it toss up a WHEA or induce a hard lock, but no power-down. Also of note was that when the shutdowns occurred, I wasn't yet at TJmax... more like upper 80s with spikes in low 90's, where the chip again generally kept chugging with just a little lower voltage. Given all of this, I can only assume the VRM's were triggering the shutdown. That had to be the point where the current and sheer power caused them to get away abruptly. More telling, without a cooldown it would trigger pretty much immediately. Following a cooldown I would gain a minute of runtime. I could almost predict it with a stopwatch... which again makes me think temperature, as temperature climbs usually occur consistently... same loads, same base point, same temperature curve. It hits a certain, specific point and there just is no more give left.

I mean, clearly there was enough wiggle everywhere else. To me 280w sounds about right, if not sliightly generous. Probably a little more with significant cooling, though I'd never go there without confirming the kind of current the components on-board are actually up for. No sense in knowingly frying my board with total assurance of that outcome. But bleh... even if I slice a good chunk of that off, still seems like plenty, as long as I'm not bombing the thing with ridiculous unrealistic multithreaded loads all day long.

Anywho... I stopped after that. Sure, I coulda had a new board in two days max if I fried it then and there. Just decided maybe that wasn't so favorable :p

Really just total speculation on my part, but given that experience with this board, I feel like I can safely assume VRM's will not be a concern and likely would not be with even a 3900x. Not like the TDP's have changed drastically from past generations. I dunno, haven't looked at what kind of power draw people are ACTUALLY seeing with them, but I'm betting it's nothing too scary for my board. But then, I assume that to be true 90% of the time, with 90% of all boards running any consumer Ryzen chip. Under certain circumstances you can get them to pull Intel levels of power - been there, done that, but it's not like they are known for running that way without serious coercion. I dunno, I haven't been looking much at the 12-core Ryzens so correct me if I'm wrong. I'm talking purely theoretical here.

But really, looking at TPU's own numbers for max power draw, I don't see why this board couldn't handle a 3900x if it can handle a 2700x... we're talking not even 20w difference.

The only showstopper would be if the BIOS was coded to prevent it from accepting it, which I think would be strange. So many other factors I'm not considering... but it's interesting to think about...

But again, I would have to look at real power scenarios for the 3900x. I assume no troubles, unless we're talking the really seedy 6 'phases' on a doubler to give you an actual 3 crappy ones types of affairs. The Strix x370-f is... what? 8+2? Like, a real, not-cheap one at that. Some people get into too much of a tizzy over VRM's, I think.

EDIT: Seems to be some conflicting information on the board. Some say 6 for vcore and 2-phase doubled for SOC. Others say 8+2. Honestly couldn't say which it actually is. Either one is probably good though. 60A International Rectifier power stages too! That was a major motivator for me... kinda thinking if I upgrade later that would come in handy, and if not would undoubtedly run a tad cooler and more efficiently. So definitely up to a 3900x on paper. Very little doubt there.

My only concern is compatibility. If there will be problems at all, that'll be it. If it's listed I can be reasonably sure it will boot, but I can't be sure what silly things won't work, or won't work right :p Well, and maybe pushing potentially half-fried VRM's on this particular board :p I'm not too smart sometimes. But I know and accept it, so it's cool. I have a pattern where I get going with a setup and settle-in for a while until inevitably I get the irresistible urge to fuck with things and end up swapping components long before they wear out, or even become obsolete.

Suffice to say lifespan is not my primary concern, as long as I can potentially squeeze a few short years out. With that in mind, why not have a little fun? And hey, if it runs high-end Zen 2 stable with PBO, that's pretty kickass. Probably worth trying and sharing. This board is going for $150 new on Amazon, and under ~$120 used. Might actually be a total winner for a very solid budget option for those who want to run the latest Ryzen-series chips for the performance but don't care quite so much about pcie 4.0 or perhaps getting the aaaabbbsolute fastest RAM clocks possible (though that'll be interesting too! Can't wait to see how that goes.) Would be a steal for people not feeling the crazy prices or caring for the features on fancy x570 boards but still wanting an actual good board that looks pretty good and has a strong foundation. It's an older board now... one of their first Ryzen boards. But it's also not a budget board.

If it works, this board will have then run a member of every Ryzen family to date in it. Part of why I want to do it. When's the last time something like that happened with a platform? Kind of makes for a neat way to save some cash on a build, for those willing to do some research.

So yeah, one way or another, I'll be sure to chime in on how it goes and try to break down in detail how everything shakes down. Have some fun and hopefully come out with some helpful information for people out there. I also have the B350-F that I can't get rid of. It has some problems with the USB power bus and I sent it out to Asus for repair but it seems they just tested it and sent it back to me lol, so I'm stuck with it. But I can also play with that at some point. There are BIOS versions good for Ryzen 3000 available for it now, too.

At any rate, gimme a month and a half or so to gather funds and I'll have the thing in my hands. Maybe in two months time there will be some 3900x's for less than the roughly $850 they're going for at the moment! :O If I could get a 3900x for a non-insane price I might be inclined to hold out for the cash and try it... and if it's not holding up or for whatever reason it just won't run, I'll set my sights on an x570 or a really good x470... and just ride on the excellent 2600/x370 setup for a lil longer. Otherwise, 3700x for ~$350 in just shy of two months is sounding more realistic lol.
 
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ABBA just came out for my ITX board... time to test that out

Wow abba has changed things... the system idles a LOT more than ABB did, CPU-Z is having a field day trying to report the clocks (instead of ABB showing max all the time, i see it idle and flicker around now)
Thanks to a 103Mhz BCLK i also saw a flat 4350MHz in CPUZ bench for single and multicore... yeah, ABBA is doing good things

edit: Unique to my board and maybe other asus, i can finally use BCLK and DOCP (XMP) at the same time - previous builds would disable turbo the second you adjust bclk with DOCP on
 
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300 series from MSI is kinda dead, it only received the beta for the 3000 series.
I guess they will update again when the 3950X releases.
 
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ABBA BIOS 2801 for my ROG Strix B450-F dropped yesterday.
Not a huge change on my board/CPU, Max Boost is still 4.425 Ghz single core and 4.125 to 4.275 Ghz all core.
The Idle voltage and temps dropped a bit though (according to Ryzen Master and HWInfo).
It was idling at around 32c to 34c on the ABB BIOS at .9v, now it ildes at 30c to 32c at .3 to .5v using the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan.
 
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ABBA BIOS 2801 for my ROG Strix B450-F dropped yesterday.
Not a huge change on my board/CPU, Max Boost is still 4.425 Ghz and 4.125 to 4.275 Ghz all core.
The Idle voltage and temps dropped a bit though (according to Ryzen master and HWInfo).
It was idling at around 32c to 34c on the ABB BIOS at .9v, now it ildes at 30c to 32c at .3 to .5v using the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan.
Change your power plan to Best Performance and you should boost higher, if only by a bit.
 
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Change your power plan to Best Performance and you should boost higher, if only by a bit.
I will later for a few Cinbench runs but I like it on Balanced for 24/7 use.
I just played Gears 5 for a while and my Max all core boost according to MSI Afterburner and HWInfo (run separately) is 4.275 GHz which is better than the 4.225 GHz I had on the last BIOS.
 
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A CPU may have multiple “favored” cores (logical processors of the highest available scheduling class). To provide better performance and reliability, we have implemented a rotation policy that distributes work more fairly among these favored cores.
 
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After a few more hours of playing Gears 5 with my Performance Enhancer set to level 3 OC,
I had 6 cores running from 4.325 to 4.350 GHz and the other two hit 4.275 GHz according to HWinfo.
Hopefully that update will improve it even more.
 

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What is the performance enhancer, its really vague in the BIOS description
 
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What is the performance enhancer, its really vague in the BIOS description
From Reddit:
Information to note when using Performance Enhancer.
With eXtended Frequency Range (XFR) version 2, there are configurable options which can increase boost frequencies and duration.
The available options are PPT, TDC and EDC under “Advanced\AMD CBS\NBIO Common Options\Precision Boost Override Configuration”.
The BIOS item “Performance Enhancer“ tunes these options in a simple way.
Level 1 and 2 rely only on the AMD provided options mentioned.
Level 3 and 4 has a few tweaks of our own (with the help from The Stilt) which causes XFR to always boost to the highest possible frequency.
When using Level 3/4, make sure to use the Balanced power profile, or adjust the “Minimum Processor State” to below 50% on your preferred profile.
Otherwise, Core Performance Boost (CPB) will not work properly and single threaded performance will suffer. Additionally there’s a grace period of roughly a minute after entering the operating system until P-states are engaged properly.
Each CPU is different and boosts to different frequencies, the same settings on two different samples will give different results.
The increased frequencies might be too high for some CPUs or require additional voltage.
When using this function, it’s best to rely on Offset Mode for the CPU Core Voltage.

And from different Reddit source:
Level 1 & 2 are using constraints recommended by AMD for silicon reliability and life span.

Level 3 & 4 are enhanced versions by the Stilt and ASUS and is basically an overclock. From what i remember, they ignore power and current limits to achieve higher clocks.

Level 3 & 4 (4 especially) can put quite a high voltage through the chip 1.5v+ under lower core workloads which is quite bad for silicon reliability over the long term. You can of course and as others have said set a negative offset in the BIOS and see if your still stable. Although i found that while under all core load my voltages were nice, under lesser core workloads it still sat constantly at 1.45-1.49v, which i didnt like.

From My experience:
For 24/7 use Level 2 is recommended for a good balance between Performance and Lower Power consumption/heat.
I personally found that I can run Level 3 with the Ryzen balanced power Plan set with a 10% minimum processor state and my CPU voltage drops to .9v at idle and maxes out around 1.48v when bench testing.
When gaming my voltage stays around 1.35 to 1.38v.
At Level 2 voltage maxes out at 1.35v when bench testing and is only around 1.25v when gaming and my clocks are around 100 to 150 Mhz lower.

PS
I keep my BCLK on 100 MHz and have my RAM set with DOCP to 3200 with slightly tighter timings.
 
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i'm on DOCP 3200 and 103Mhz bclk pretty happily, trying to keep temps down with summer coming so i'm looking for tweaks to boost low core clocks, while keeping all core wattage down

probs make a custom PBO setup with high everything but total wattage to figure that out
(ITX build may not like summer heat, basically. i wanna go a 3000 series CPU to drop the heat)
 

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i'm on DOCP 3200 and 103Mhz bclk pretty happily, trying to keep temps down with summer coming so i'm looking for tweaks to boost low core clocks, while keeping all core wattage down

probs make a custom PBO setup with high everything but total wattage to figure that out
(ITX build may not like summer heat, basically. i wanna go a 3000 series CPU to drop the heat)

I'm not sure you should go into Ryzen 3000 with the intention of reducing temperatures, as you may find yourself in for an unpleasant surprise. Now, with performance and efficiency in mind, you most definitely should :laugh:

So far, I really like what 1.0.0.3ABBA has done. Idle is stable on temperatures, and a firmware change now allows HWInfo to read CCD temp (the actual cores portion as opposed to the usual Tdie. Benchmarks aren't being favoured as the multipliers quickly back down from 43-44x to 40x, but I suspect that enabling PBO again would quickly solve that issue for benchmark warriors. Light benches like CPU-Z perform well. On the other hand, 44x is being achieved on roughly half of the cores, whereas ABB would top out at 43.5x on just the fastest core.

End result is that gaming stays quiet around 55-60c with max boost on the cores that need it, while benchmarking is reasonable at 60-70 up to the usual 77c in P95 as the CPU is smart enough to scale back the clocks when faced with that kind of load. For being stuck in a 12L case that goes everywhere with a focus on reliability, it's perfect.

Tom's has a new nonsensical article "reviewing" 1.0.0.3ABBA on a 3700X and Taichi, written by a staff member too dense to understand, 2 months after release, that 1.4v is not being put through the CPU while it's under any semblance of actual load. All with the clickbait title implying that 3700X can't hit boost clocks at -180c, when in all likelihood, PEBCAK

Y'all think I should try a 32GB Trident Z kit at the same 3200/C16 to see if the Aorus can do it? I only stepped down to 16GB because the LPX 32GB kit wouldn't work.
 
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