Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

Your still OCing the RAM though?

Yes, only because it reminds me its not a Dell

I think i might have misled you - I meant hit the Reset button in HWInfo settings, not Windows

Still it's good to start fresh esp after all the OCing youve been doing

Lol I know that now! I literally just found it.. but yes the OS took a bit of a beating, especially with 4 sticks.. so finicky

Way to try to make him feel better after a goof.

Lol but so fresh and clean right now

I had to see what she could do, I put in a real effort to get four sticks to 2K, I just couldn't do it. I barely was able to hold 1933 once. I can do 1900 but only with GDM off @ 2T. Its a lot of effort for not a lot of return. Bit of a heart breaker, but it is what it is I suppose.. maybe my kids will get this board..

 

[thesmokingman]

I reinstalled windows, got the newest HWinfo, and put my CPU back @ stock settings with PBO and I see everything you guys do now

I think I will just leave it alone now..

Ooh, what happened, what did I miss?

Putting pieces together trying for 2k fclk huh?

 

[freeagent]

Ooh, what happened, what did I miss?

Putting pieces together trying for 2k fclk huh?

Yeah I was trying for it.. I can run 2K with 2 sticks, but 4 is the challenge

I did nail down 1900 with 4 sticks, but cant nail down 1933.. not big deal, I am still pretty happy with the system, she's a ripper for sure! Just needs a GPU upgrade and she's done

Ok.. So I have my Visa in hand. I have a 5800X in my cart. I own a 5600X and a 3600XT.. both are for sale right now..

Should I get the 5800X? I know in the end its my decision.. do you think the extra bump is worth my trouble?

I will probably lose a little on the CPU sales.. and I am ok with it, mostly.

Edit:

Scratch the new CPU..

 

[Mussels]

you'd get no gains gaming, unless you did vidya encoding etc on the side - 5600x is a beast

 

[tabascosauz]

Should I get the 5800X? I know in the end its my decision.. do you think the extra bump is worth my trouble?

I will probably lose a little on the CPU sales.. and I am ok with it, mostly.

Edit:

Scratch the new CPU..

If you're just going to use that Thermalright cooler I think you'll find the 5800X to be an eye-opening experience at the very least...good choice sticking with what you have.

The way you've been hitting that OC juice, you might be looking in the wrong place for upgrades. Instead of messing with your main PC you really should be getting a 5650G off eBay when they become available and putting it in a B550 ITX board. Together the two will probably add up to the cost of a 5800X alone, and you can still sell the 3600XT. You keep this up and you're going to want more Infinity Fabric than these chiplet CPUs can ever provide

Probably best to save for a card, though

 

[freeagent]

If you're just going to use that Thermalright cooler I think you'll find the 5800X to be an eye-opening experience at the very least...good choice sticking with what you have.

The way you've been hitting that OC juice, you might be looking in the wrong place for upgrades. Instead of messing with your main PC you really should be getting a 5650G off eBay when they become available and putting it in a B550 ITX board. Together the two will probably add up to the cost of a 5800X alone, and you can still sell the 3600XT. You keep this up and you're going to want more Infinity Fabric than these chiplet CPUs can ever provide

Probably best to save for a card, though

I appreciate the straight talk. I think you may be right..

That is interesting.. I was looking at an ITX board today. I think I might go that route, after I get a card

Thanks again!

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Quick question peeps. I didn't want to make a separate topic. Anyway, my board *might* finally be acting up, but I can't say for sure if it's on the board side or the software side. My keyboard, mouse, and headset are all HyperX, so I use HyperX NGENUITY to control lighting and other aspects. Couple weeks ago on TeamSpeak, was getting ready to play with a couple clan mates and they couldn't hear me talk, as my mic was apparently not working (it worked just fine up until then). I didn't think anything of it though. Fast forward to now, and when I loaded NGENUITY (which has always been quick to recognize my keyboard and mouse) I got a popup notification via windows saying "Alloy Origins Core Keyboard is Found but it could not be connected!" And I don't get any message whatsoever in regards to my mouse like I used to. I tried repairing the app as well as resetting it, but that only resulted in my lighting profiles being lost and now my lighting is back to retina-searing.

Also unplugged keyboard and mouse from rear I/O for a bit to see if that helped and it didn't, so...yeah, not sure what else to do now. Only thing I've done in recent times in regards to my rig was update my board's BIOS due to my rig completely shutting off during gaming (which I think was tied to my AIO somehow).

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

[tabascosauz]

I appreciate the straight talk. I think you may be right..

That is interesting.. I was looking at an ITX board today. I think I might go that route, after I get a card

Thanks again!

After the HWInfo incident I feel like I should clarify first only do so if you're that interested in memory overclocking. Currently Renoir sits at about 2300MHz 1:1 if lucky and using a dGPU. Cezanne might push that up a little bit, so 1:1 limit is still probably below 2500MHz IF. With B-die you'll only be living in that 1:1 range and working on your timings for daily performance. Even with Rev.B or maybe DJR I still don't think you'll max out the CPU, the ITX boards might struggle with VTTDDR starting from 1.8V VDIMM or so.

I know most people are content with tweaking their main. But if a smaller second PC is what you think you want, then you know what to do

Quick question peeps. I didn't want to make a separate topic. Anyway, my board *might* finally be acting up, but I can't say for sure if it's on the board side or the software side. My keyboard, mouse, and headset are all HyperX, so I use HyperX NGENUITY to control lighting and other aspects. Couple weeks ago on TeamSpeak, was getting ready to play with a couple clan mates and they couldn't hear me talk, as my mic was apparently not working (it worked just fine up until then). I didn't think anything of it though. Fast forward to now, and when I loaded NGENUITY (which has always been quick to recognize my keyboard and mouse) I got a popup notification via windows saying "Alloy Origins Core Keyboard is Found but it could not be connected!" And I don't get any message whatsoever in regards to my mouse like I used to. I tried repairing the app as well as resetting it, but that only resulted in my lighting profiles being lost and now my lighting is back to retina-searing.

Also unplugged keyboard and mouse from rear I/O for a bit to see if that helped and it didn't, so...yeah, not sure what else to do now. Only thing I've done in recent times in regards to my rig was update my board's BIOS due to my rig completely shutting off during gaming (which I think was tied to my AIO somehow).

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Are you still on the stable AGESA 1200 BIOS? The 1201 Patch A BIOSes come with a USB "fix", there's a beta BIOS out on the B550 PGV.

From what I read the "fix" is backported from 1202 which was supposed to originally solve the USB problems.

 

[Mussels]

After the HWInfo incident I feel like I should clarify first only do so if you're that interested in memory overclocking. Currently Renoir sits at about 2300MHz 1:1 if lucky and using a dGPU. Cezanne might push that up a little bit, so 1:1 limit is still probably below 2500MHz IF. With B-die you'll only be living in that 1:1 range and working on your timings for daily performance. Even with Rev.B or maybe DJR I still don't think you'll max out the CPU, the ITX boards might struggle with VTTDDR starting from 1.8V VDIMM or so.

I know most people are content with tweaking their main. But if a smaller second PC is what you think you want, then you know what to do



Are you still on the stable AGESA 1200 BIOS? The 1201 Patch A BIOSes come with a USB "fix", there's a beta BIOS out on the B550 PGV.

From what I read the "fix" is backported from 1202 which was supposed to originally solve the USB problems.

its the public beta test of the fix yeah - from comments i've seen its a big deal on some systems

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Are you still on the stable AGESA 1200 BIOS? The 1201 Patch A BIOSes come with a USB "fix", there's a beta BIOS out on the B550 PGV.

From what I read the "fix" is backported from 1202 which was supposed to originally solve the USB problems.

I was yes, but I just now updated to the beta.

Still getting the "cannot be connected!" message in NGENUITY

Just talked to Amazon customer service about my issues with the board (did I mention one of the 4-pin RGB headers doesn't work?) and the agent made an exception for my case despite being past the return window (he was awesome) and sent me the shipping labels to return the board for a refund.

Might pick up either the B550-F or B550-A from Asus.

 

[tabascosauz]

I was yes, but I just now updated to the beta.

Still getting the "cannot be connected!" message in NGENUITY

Just talked to Amazon customer service about my issues with the board (did I mention one of the 4-pin RGB headers doesn't work?) and the agent made an exception for my case despite being past the return window (he was awesome) and sent me the shipping labels to return the board for a refund.

Might pick up either the B550-F or B550-A from Asus.

Weren't you originally looking for a silver board? The B550-A would be a nice choice then with both at $179, they're the same board. Fingers crossed it does the trick.

I was going to comment that the 1201 BIOS messed up my Scarlett Solo by forcing me to reduce the gain knob by more than 50% otherwise I'd brutally destroy my friends' eardrums. The 1201A BIOS didn't change anything but I managed to fix it by switching back to the Focusrite drivers then back to the Windows drivers (Windows drivers occasionally crackle and pop on the output (headphones) side, Focusrite drivers crackle more often on the input (mic) side).

As long as there aren't other issues with the board that necessitate dealing with customer service, I'd take an Asus board for the BIOS fan control alone. Still unmatched in functionality.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Weren't you originally looking for a silver board? The B550-A would be a nice choice then with both at $179, they're the same board. Fingers crossed it does the trick.

I was going to comment that the 1201 BIOS messed up my Scarlett Solo by forcing me to reduce the gain knob by more than 50% otherwise I'd brutally destroy my friends' eardrums. The 1201A BIOS didn't change anything but I managed to fix it by switching back to the Focusrite drivers then back to the Windows drivers (Windows drivers occasionally crackle and pop on the output (headphones) side, Focusrite drivers crackle more often on the input (mic) side).

As long as there aren't other issues with the board that necessitate dealing with customer service, I'd take an Asus board for the BIOS fan control alone. Still unmatched in functionality.

I'm trying to stick with silver, yeah. I was going to add that the F and A are basically the same board, with minute differences (no RGB rog eye on the A for example). What's weird is - at least on Newegg -- the A is $10USD cheaper than the non-wifi F, lol. Both boards have 1 3-pin ARGB header and 2 4-pin RGB headers, but I guess it's not THAT big of a deal since my Phanteks Halo Lux-D shrouds are being controlled via Phanteks DRGB hub. Only lighting on the actual board and CPU cooler is controlled via Polychrome.

In the short numbers of years I've been into this hobby, I've had more Asus boards than any other. My first ever board was an M5A97-LE R2 and I didn't even know what BIOS were so I was a bit scared of having to go in them to set things up, but the interface coupled with the Easy Mode made things A LOT easier for me. Thus far I've dealt with BIOS from Asus, Gigabyte and now Asrock, and I can say that Asus still has the most user-friendly interface out there. Aura is also still tops in my book as well!

Once I get the board, you'll have to show me the fan control stuff, Tabby

 

[freeagent]

Asus works pretty well for me too. I have only have one ASsrock, Z77 OC Formula and I really like that board. I was going to buy an AM4 board from them.. (still might because I have my XT still) Even better than the upper midrange Asus it replaced.. I'm probably an Asus fanboy though, but only because they have stood the test of time with me, except that one time.. and the time before that but could have been my fault not sure.. Gigabyte is ok, not my first choice but the one I had was good to me, and is still good to my buddy a decade later. MSI kinda scares me a little.. like Chaintech or some other sludge scraper. But people love them so what do I know

 

[Mussels]

I'm trying to stick with silver, yeah. I was going to add that the F and A are basically the same board, with minute differences (no RGB rog eye on the A for example). What's weird is - at least on Newegg -- the A is $10USD cheaper than the non-wifi F, lol. Both boards have 1 3-pin ARGB header and 2 4-pin RGB headers, but I guess it's not THAT big of a deal since my Phanteks Halo Lux-D shrouds are being controlled via Phanteks DRGB hub. Only lighting on the actual board and CPU cooler is controlled via Polychrome.

In the short numbers of years I've been into this hobby, I've had more Asus boards than any other. My first ever board was an M5A97-LE R2 and I didn't even know what BIOS were so I was a bit scared of having to go in them to set things up, but the interface coupled with the Easy Mode made things A LOT easier for me. Thus far I've dealt with BIOS from Asus, Gigabyte and now Asrock, and I can say that Asus still has the most user-friendly interface out there. Aura is also still tops in my book as well!

Once I get the board, you'll have to show me the fan control stuff, Tabby

whatever ARGB you get, always use an external controller. I've learned to pretend mobo ports dont even exist with how bad the software and hardware is behind them
(Oh yay i saved settings to my board.... aaaand it forgot them)
or the ability like how MSI and asus badly link with corsair and corsair over-rides the other software before breaking and freezing the board lighting -.-

 

[Gmr_Chick]

whatever ARGB you get, always use an external controller. I've learned to pretend mobo ports dont even exist with how bad the software and hardware is behind them
(Oh yay i saved settings to my board.... aaaand it forgot them)
or the ability like how MSI and asus badly link with corsair and corsair over-rides the other software before breaking and freezing the board lighting -.-

Or like how MSI's Mystic Light just fucks everything in general lol. Tried using it to change the annoying rainbow puke on my GPU (MSI card) a few weeks back, and the damn thing ended up bricking the lighting on my RAM. Nothing I did would fix it. Had to open up the rig and "reset" the RAM by popping it out and then putting it in again.

*sigh* I really wish there was a set standard for this shit.

 

[Mussels]

Or like how MSI's Mystic Light just fucks everything in general lol. Tried using it to change the annoying rainbow puke on my GPU (MSI card) a few weeks back, and the damn thing ended up bricking the lighting on my RAM. Nothing I did would fix it. Had to open up the rig and "reset" the RAM by popping it out and then putting it in again.

*sigh* I really wish there was a set standard for this shit.

i yell at everyone, but i either use the MSI MAG hardware controller and its remote, or razer ARGB controller and its software
With about a dozen attempts, i've found nothing else good.

Corsair is okay, but you're locked into their ecosystem really hard, since each lighting controller only has 2 ports and then you need a fan hub for every type of hub (or beyond 6 fans) so i ended up needing 3 controllers and 2 fan hubs for a mid sized ATX build and holy shit that adds so much cost and wiring complexity

Moved to generics and i can use splitters and daisy chain things, and suddenly no more hardware junk

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm trying to stick with silver, yeah. I was going to add that the F and A are basically the same board, with minute differences (no RGB rog eye on the A for example). What's weird is - at least on Newegg -- the A is $10USD cheaper than the non-wifi F, lol. Both boards have 1 3-pin ARGB header and 2 4-pin RGB headers, but I guess it's not THAT big of a deal since my Phanteks Halo Lux-D shrouds are being controlled via Phanteks DRGB hub. Only lighting on the actual board and CPU cooler is controlled via Polychrome.

In the short numbers of years I've been into this hobby, I've had more Asus boards than any other. My first ever board was an M5A97-LE R2 and I didn't even know what BIOS were so I was a bit scared of having to go in them to set things up, but the interface coupled with the Easy Mode made things A LOT easier for me. Thus far I've dealt with BIOS from Asus, Gigabyte and now Asrock, and I can say that Asus still has the most user-friendly interface out there. Aura is also still tops in my book as well!

Once I get the board, you'll have to show me the fan control stuff, Tabby

Oh the fan control stuff is easy, you'll get used to it in a jiffy. The Q-fan shortcut is always at the top of the screen (Advanced Mode) where you can draw your fan curves. The real deal is at the bottom of the Monitor tab, where you can tie fans to multiple temp sources and set hysteresis up to crazy long periods (over 1min for case fans iirc, mine are 3.6sec CPU and 24sec case fans). Just blows my mind that none of the others ever "learned" anything from Asus in terms of in-BIOS fan control.

Ironically while the search function is great, AI Tweaker tab is organized pretty well so it's not necessary. But it's nice to have when you need to find just one thing buried deep in AMD's god-awful Overclocking and CBS menus, like TSME.

Can't help you on RGB lol. I hate all RGB and in-OS utilities equally, including Aura. You won't ever catch me with Aura, Mystic, Fusion or Polychrome installed and enabled lmao

The only RGB I ever used was Gigabyte's Fusion on B450, which allowed you to fully control it in BIOS. Bizzarely, it was ONLY on the old BIOSes and they actually removed it from X570 and B550. Definitely a certified Gigabyte moment

 

[freeagent]

I have to agree, I was almost instantly disappointed with Aura. There has since been firmware updates to the controller on my board, but I don't want to mess with it now that its working properly. I cant see the VRM one anyways because my cooler is in the way. I do see its reflection on about 5% of the rear exhaust fan though. It would be nice to be able to turn off the lights on my ram without software.. maybe a switch in the bios or something could be doable. But I have that new Thermalright cooler coming so it might block my ram.. not sure yet.. That would mean I would have to install a top intake right above my ram again.. its better than a dedicated ram fan.. but adds a fair bit of noise. I'll worry about it next week.

 

[Mussels]

tabasco; my aourus ax370 had the in bios control too, as soon as they went ARGB they ditched it

in-bios ARGB settings would totally have convinced me to buy one of their boards

 

[Gmr_Chick]

The Asrock board I'm using has RGB control via BIOS but....yeah, it doesn't work properly LOL

What I like about Aura is the fact that I could control what color every individual LED of my rams sticks were -- so if I wanted, say, to alternate between red and white, I could. And I'm not gonna lie, I love playing around with lighting. Maybe it's just the artist in me?

Anyway, since my board isn't playing nice with NGENUITY, I've gone back to the standard keys my keyboard came with in the meantime. They're far less retina searing, lol. They're actually not THAT bad. Yes they pick up skin oils fairly easy, but in my experience, Corsair reigns supreme in the "cheap feeling keys" category. The keys that come with the Alloys Origins Core have a more premium-looking matte finish to them, and they feel surprisingly good on my fingers.

 

[freeagent]

Dammit. I'm going to install Aura now. There is just as much trepidation with this as there was the first time I set the timings and hit save and exit

 

[Mussels]

The Asrock board I'm using has RGB control via BIOS but....yeah, it doesn't work properly LOL

What I like about Aura is the fact that I could control what color every individual LED of my rams sticks were -- so if I wanted, say, to alternate between red and white, I could. And I'm not gonna lie, I love playing around with lighting. Maybe it's just the artist in me?

Anyway, since my board isn't playing nice with NGENUITY, I've gone back to the standard keys my keyboard came with in the meantime. They're far less retina searing, lol. They're actually not THAT bad. Yes they pick up skin oils fairly easy, but in my experience, Corsair reigns supreme in the "cheap feeling keys" category. The keys that come with the Alloys Origins Core have a more premium-looking matte finish to them, and they feel surprisingly good on my fingers.

thats what i did with my corsair ram, fortunately i dont need icue running as it saves to the hardware (and remains saved if i move it to another PC)

Dammit. I'm going to install Aura now. There is just as much trepidation with this as there was the first time I set the timings and hit save and exit

oh shit just remember you cant actually uninstall all its garbage without a cleanup tool, safe mode and deleting files and services manually. armoury crate is a fucking offsensive mess.

 

[8BitZ80]

I was yes, but I just now updated to the beta.

Still getting the "cannot be connected!" message in NGENUITY

Just talked to Amazon customer service about my issues with the board (did I mention one of the 4-pin RGB headers doesn't work?) and the agent made an exception for my case despite being past the return window (he was awesome) and sent me the shipping labels to return the board for a refund.

Might pick up either the B550-F or B550-A from Asus.

Motherboards seem to just keep coming down in price. My B550-F was AU$350 in October 2020, now it's down to AU$269.

Really the only issue I've had is that on random occasions the onboard WiFi adapter spams "Netwtw08" error messages (Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz : Has encountered an internal error and has failed). I haven't looked into how to fix it yet.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

oh shit just remember you cant actually uninstall all its garbage without a cleanup tool, safe mode and deleting files and services manually. armoury crate is a fucking offsensive mess.

Regarding Aura, ain't no way in hell I'm installing Armoury Crate. AI Suite maybe (because it seems handy) and maybe a couple others. But AC isn't coming anywhere near my rig. The uninstallation nightmare is well documented on TPU lol.

Motherboards seem to just keep coming down in price. My B550-F was AU$350 in October 2020, now it's down to AU$269.

Really the only issue I've had is that on random occasions the onboard WiFi adapter spams "Netwtw08" error messages (Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX200 160MHz : Has encountered an internal error and has failed). I haven't looked into how to fix it yet.

Heard nothing but (almost all) good things about the B550-F. I'm going to get the non-wifi B550-A (the silver version) because I already have a PCIe x1 wifi card

If mobo prices are going down, somebody forgot to tell Asus, as the Dark Hero is a whopping $450 USD now, lol. I wouldn't mind having the regular Hero but only way I'd be able to get one is if it was gifted to me lol.

 

[tabascosauz]

Regarding Aura, ain't no way in hell I'm installing Armoury Crate. AI Suite maybe (because it seems handy) and maybe a couple others. But AC isn't coming anywhere near my rig. The uninstallation nightmare is well documented on TPU lol.



Heard nothing but (almost all) good things about the B550-F. I'm going to get the non-wifi B550-A (the silver version) because I already have a PCIe x1 wifi card

If mobo prices are going down, somebody forgot to tell Asus, as the Dark Hero is a whopping $450 USD now, lol. I wouldn't mind having the regular Hero but only way I'd be able to get one is if it was gifted to me lol.

All of you stoooop, stooooop making me regret my purchases lol

Mobo prices be falling here too. I paid $249 about a year ago for my B550M TUF Wifi, and now $220-230 can get me any choice of B550-A, Tomahawk or Pro V2. Any of which would fit the general colour scheme a hell of a lot better than the TUF. It's not even that bad of a design, it's just the tramp stamp on the PCH and the stupid lettering on the VRM heatsink - otherwise it looks fine.

But I bought a Cerberus and not a Cerberus X because I wanted to keep all my comps in SFF territory, so I'm in this boat now. But I guess I shouldn't complain about a reliable board, so maybe I'll take a black sharpie to the heatsink no matter how I try to like the Cerberus X it just looks poorly proportioned compared to the Cerberus. Price to pay for ATX support, I guess.