Samsung 9100 PRO is on preorder

[csendesmark]

Hello Forum,
Just seen the Samsung 9100 PRO is on preorder on the German: Amazon.de
So we might get to see it's performance soon! (This item will be released on March 18, 2025.)

 

[jarablue]

With 2.2 million read iops and 2.6 million write iops, that shit is going to be a banger.

I think that will be a very fast drive. Good luck. If I had the money and was building a system again, I would def get the 4tb one for my system drive.

Def seems like a fast drive.

 

[csendesmark]

 

[evernessince]

$200 is crazy for 1TB. It's a nice drive based on ServeTheHome's review but if I had this kind of money to spend on a drive I would just get optane. Comparing the numbers between the two Optane still has a significant advantage in factors that determine responsiveness.

I suspect the pricing is merely because it wears the crown in the consumer space, assuming said consumer is ignorant of enterprise options that'll work in their PC.

 

[Assimilator]

With 2.2 million read iops and 2.6 million write iops, that shit is going to be a banger.

I think that will be a very fast drive. Good luck. If I had the money and was building a system again, I would def get the 4tb one for my system drive.

Def seems like a fast drive.

No it's not, it's going to be a mediocre product with a premium price tag that remains in the market long after it's obsolete, but Samsung fanboys will continue to buy it because they lack brain cells to rub together.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Too bad PLP is not a standard feature by now. Oof - twice the cost of a 990 Pro on Amazon at the same capacity. I'll pass.

On a more humorous note: "TBW looking at Gen5 speeds...am I a joke to you?" with Jenson yelling in the background "The more you copy the more you save!"

Hello Forum,
Just seen the Samsung 9100 PRO is on preorder on the German: Amazon.de
So we might get to see it's performance soon! (This item will be released on March 18, 2025.)

Don't forget to post your results in the CrystalDiskMark thread.

 

[csendesmark]

$200 is crazy for 1TB. It's a nice drive based on ServeTheHome's review but if I had this kind of money to spend on a drive I would just get optane. Comparing the numbers between the two Optane still has a significant advantage in factors that determine responsiveness.

I suspect the pricing is merely because it wears the crown in the consumer space, assuming said consumer is ignorant of enterprise options that'll work in their PC.

When I write this I did not actually checked all option, but SSD-s over which can do speeds over 10000MB/s costs about the same as the new Samsung.
But feel free to cite if you can find one.

Too bad PLP is not a standard feature by now. Oof - twice the cost of a 990 Pro on Amazon at the same capacity. I'll pass.

On a more humorous note: "TBW looking at Gen5 speeds...am I a joke to you?" with Jenson yelling in the background "The more you copy the more you save!"


Don't forget to post your results in the CrystalDiskMark thread.

Same as above - it is standard gen5 price , also basically double speed compared to the 990 PRO

On the testing, I did not order it yet, will wait Q3 or Q4 in case this one has some surprises like the 980 PRO did
Also just bought my 990PRO last month

 

[Lord Paulus Cobris (LPC)]

Im Just expecting Kingston and Crucial, to release their version of and afordable Gen5 NVMe!

Send on my way an KC4000

Best Regards,

LPC

 

[bonehead123]

Yea, UNTIL something better comes along that is

A) $200 is crazy for 1TB

B) because it wears the crown in the consumer space

A) Agreed, but that's the "Sammy tax" for ya

B) Says who ? For me, the "crown" belongs to WD's Black series, and has for some time, but they are taking their time with Gen 5 drives, so we'll see what happens when they release one...

 

[evernessince]

When I write this I did not actually checked all option, but SSD-s over which can do speeds over 10000MB/s costs about the same as the new Samsung.
But feel free to cite if you can find one.

Crucial T700 goes for $125 for the 1TB model and $350 for the 4TB model. PCIe 5.0 12K reads 11K writes. That's $150 cheaper on the 4TB model.

Im Just expecting Kingston and Crucial, to release their version of and afordable Gen5 NVMe!

Send on my way an KC4000

Best Regards,

LPC

The kingston fury renegade is the successor to the KC3000. Both have held their price very well due to their 1 PBW per TB endurance. Just for reference, that's a 66% increase over this expensive Samsung drive.

When a successor comes out to the fury renegade, it certainly won't be cheap unless they nerf it's endurance. IMO it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a 14 GB/s SSD with such low endurance. The few use case scenarios that do benefit from the higher speed are things like AI model training, video encoding, video editing, etc. All of which will burn through a drive's endurance and you absolutely wnat maximum endurance and speed. Gamers need not bother with PCIe 5.0 drives, zero benefit.

B) Says who ? For me, the "crown" belongs to WD's Black series, and has for some time, but they are taking their time with Gen 5 drives, so we'll see what happens when they release one...

Says the review of the drive: https://www.servethehome.com/samsung-9100-pro-2tb-pcie-gen5-nvme-ssd-review/

I like WD black drives, I have 4 SN850X 8TB drives in my rig and for gaming there will be zero difference between them and this samsung drive. That said without a doubt this new samsung drive is faster. Until at least other vendors start coming out with their new drives.

 

[csendesmark]

Send on my way an KC4000

Oh yeah, that will come and will be great - although I would expect it only in 2026!

Yea, UNTIL something better comes along that is

That line is golden since it will always stays valid

Crucial T700 goes for $125 for the 1TB model and $350 for the 4TB model. PCIe 5.0 12K reads 11K writes. That's $150 cheaper on the 4TB model.

I see, it is somewhat slower tho
Sequential Write 9,500 MB/s
Sequential Read 11,700 MB/s
And it is surely will be a lot warmer, but I will hold until W1zzard posts the 9100 PRO review on TUP!

On the price, I only seen European prices, where the T700 is only a couple of buck cheaper than the 9100 PRO
If you can get that much cheaper, then have fun with it.

 

[Lord Paulus Cobris (LPC)]

Crucial T700 goes for $125 for the 1TB model and $350 for the 4TB model. PCIe 5.0 12K reads 11K writes. That's $150 cheaper on the 4TB model.



The kingston fury renegade is the successor to the KC3000. Both have held their price very well due to their 1 PBW per TB endurance. Just for reference, that's a 66% increase over this expensive Samsung drive.

When a successor comes out to the fury renegade, it certainly won't be cheap unless they nerf it's endurance. IMO it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a 14 GB/s SSD with such low endurance. The few use case scenarios that do benefit from the higher speed are things like AI model training, video encoding, video editing, etc. All of which will burn through a drive's endurance and you absolutely wnat maximum endurance and speed. Gamers need not bother with PCIe 5.0 drives, zero benefit.



Says the review of the drive: https://www.servethehome.com/samsung-9100-pro-2tb-pcie-gen5-nvme-ssd-review/

I like WD black drives, I have 4 SN850X 8TB drives in my rig and for gaming there will be zero difference between them and this samsung drive. That said without a doubt this new samsung drive is faster. Until at least other vendors start coming out with their new drives.

Hi!
Yes i fully agree!
For now Gen 5 is just a gimmick more then anything... Maybe in the future (just like happend on Gen 4) we will get affordable and good quality Gen5 NVMe´s.

I for one have here 2 KC3000 (2TB + 512GB) and one NV3 of 1TB, and im very happy with them...
Fast and affordable for what they are!

Innovation is allways good, but i can only wait for more affordable units for the normal "joe".

Best Regards,

LPC

 

[csendesmark]

For now Gen 5 is just a gimmick more then anything...

I disagree, for system drive it's good, otherwise reliability and capacity
Think about the upcoming GTA6, most SSD has nightmares of that release day

 

[_roman_]

So we might get to see it's performance soon! (This item will be released on March 18, 2025.)

Especially for the german audience: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/storage/65749-samsung-ssd-9100-pro-testbericht-buchstäblich-und-bildlich-eine-coole-pci-express-5-0-ssd.html

Samsung fanboys will continue to buy it because they lack brain cells to rub together.

After all those firmware Issues I avoid SAMSUNG NVME
WD has also partly problems. I wonder why others have no problems?

 

[evernessince]

I see, it is somewhat slower tho
Sequential Write 9,500 MB/s
Sequential Read 11,700 MB/s
And it is surely will be a lot warmer, but I will hold until W1zzard posts the 9100 PRO review on TUP!

Reads are 12.3K and writes 11.8K according to both reviews and my own T700 4TB:

The latter image of the 2 above is mine and it was not done in a benchmark environment (had light tasks running in the background)

Compare that to the Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB:

Yeah sequential performance is higher but random write performance is lower.

Overall it's a faster drive but you have to consider that most of that is coming from sequential performance that will mean nothing to the vast majority of users. As I pointed out earlier, even for the niche use cases where that sequential speed is helpful, the endurance becomes an issue. This is why I use my P5800X for AI training and not my WD Blacks or T700. In terms of meaningful improvement for end users, there's little to be had by paying the Samsung tax here.

On the price, I only seen European prices, where the T700 is only a couple of buck cheaper than the 9100 PRO
If you can get that much cheaper, then have fun with it.

I'm looking at German Amazon pricing and it seems to only be a tad higher: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Crucial-...e-Ready-Photography/dp/B0C3KKY6TL?sr=8-3&th=1

US pricing doesn't include tax so it might be a wash.

I guess it depends on which country you are in, spain pricing looks high.

Hi!
Yes i fully agree!
For now Gen 5 is just a gimmick more then anything... Maybe in the future (just like happend on Gen 4) we will get affordable and good quality Gen5 NVMe´s.

I for one have here 2 KC3000 (2TB + 512GB) and one NV3 of 1TB, and im very happy with them...
Fast and affordable for what they are!

Innovation is allways good, but i can only wait for more affordable units for the normal "joe".

Best Regards,

LPC

I'd agree but with the qualifier "for most people". To some professionals who do video or AI work it might be worth it to buy these. For everyone else there is zero difference.

Now optane on the other hand is a whole different bag, at least when it comes to the P5800X. I compared the P5800X to the T700 and it was noticeably more responsive.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Hi!
Yes i fully agree!
For now Gen 5 is just a gimmick more then anything... Maybe in the future (just like happend on Gen 4) we will get affordable and good quality Gen5 NVMe´s.

I was thinking a great gimmick could be HDD vendors adding an M.2 connector to their HDD's PCB so users could insert those tiny M.2 2230 SSD's as a read/write cache.

 

[csendesmark]

Reads are 12.3K and writes 11.8K according to both reviews and my own T700 4TB:
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The latter image of the 2 above is mine and it was not done in a benchmark environment (had light tasks running in the background)

Compare that to the Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB:

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Yeah sequential performance is higher but random write performance is lower.

Overall it's a faster drive but you have to consider that most of that is coming from sequential performance that will mean nothing to the vast majority of users. As I pointed out earlier, even for the niche use cases where that sequential speed is helpful, the endurance becomes an issue. This is why I use my P5800X for AI training and not my WD Blacks or T700. In terms of meaningful improvement for end users, there's little to be had by paying the Samsung tax here.



I'm looking at German Amazon pricing and it seems to only be a tad higher: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Crucial-...e-Ready-Photography/dp/B0C3KKY6TL?sr=8-3&th=1

US pricing doesn't include tax so it might be a wash.

I guess it depends on which country you are in, spain pricing looks high.



I'd agree but with the qualifier "for most people". To some professionals who do video or AI work it might be worth it to buy these. For everyone else there is zero difference.

Now optane on the other hand is a whole different bag, at least when it comes to the P5800X. I compared the P5800X to the T700 and it was noticeably more responsive.

I would recommend to compare the same sized versions, because the larger capacity ones usually having better speeds.

I was thinking a great gimmick could be HDD vendors adding an M.2 connector to their HDD's PCB so users could insert those tiny M.2 2230 SSD's as a read/write cache.

Great idea!
That could be a relative easy implement, not much extra cost.

 

[evernessince]

I would recommend to compare the same sized versions, because the larger capacity ones usually having better speeds.

I provided both 2TB and 4TB results for the Crucial T700. The Samsung drive was 2TB.

The 4TB T700 isn't necessarily faster, it just makes trade-offs in certain areas as compared to the 2TB model as evidenced by the images provided. 4TB and 8TB drives typically have more latency.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Compare that to the Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB:

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So I have a question with these new Gen5 drives: At what point do they hit a wall and exhaust their caches and do they hit that wall faster compared to Gen4 drives?
I copy 400+ GB files around sometimes and I hit a wall with my Gen4 Samsung 990 Pro 4TB. For example this copy from my Optane to the 990 Pro drive a 250GB file drops to 1.41GB/s.

 

[csendesmark]

I provided both 2TB and 4TB results for the Crucial T700. The Samsung drive was 2TB.

The 4TB T700 isn't necessarily faster, it just makes trade-offs in certain areas as compared to the 2TB model as evidenced by the images provided. 4TB and 8TB drives typically have more latency.

I see it now, you did not label the 2TB's pic, so I was confused.

So I have a question with these new Gen5 drives: At what point do they hit a wall and exhaust their caches and do they hit that wall faster compared to Gen4 drives?
I copy 400+ GB files around sometimes and I hit a wall with my Gen4 Samsung 990 Pro 4TB. For example this copy from my Optane to the 990 Pro drive a 250GB file drops to 1.41GB/s.

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According to the TPU Database the 4TB Samsung 990 PRO has about 442 GB of SLC
The new 9100 PRO has the same amount of SLC.

 

[evernessince]

So I have a question with these new Gen5 drives: At what point do they hit a wall and exhaust their caches and do they hit that wall faster compared to Gen4 drives?
I copy 400+ GB files around sometimes and I hit a wall with my Gen4 Samsung 990 Pro 4TB. For example this copy from my Optane to the 990 Pro drive a 250GB file drops to 1.41GB/s.

View attachment 390966

It really depends on the drive. The Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB is pretty average in regard to sustained writes and below average after it's cache fills:

You want something like a Sabrent Rocket 5, T500, T705, Micron 4600 for sustained writes. The larger the capacity the better, as cache size usually increases in proportion to drive size.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I see it now, you did not label the 2TB's pic, so I was confused.

According to the TPU Database the 4TB Samsung 990 PRO has about 442 GB of SLC
The new 9100 PRO has the same amount of SLC.

Humm that's interesting. In my test it's almost like was it's acting like a 2TB drive with about half the SLC cache. For 2TB "The cache is sized at 226 GB, once it is full, writes complete at 1400 MB/s." I trimmed the drive and now it seems to be more consistent.

 

[csendesmark]

Humm that's interesting. In my test it's almost like was it's acting like a 2TB drive with about half the SLC cache. For 2TB "The cache is sized at 226 GB, once it is full, writes complete at 1400 MB/s." I trimmed the drive and now it seems to be more consistent.

Because only 10GB of SLC is static, the rest is dynamic, which gets smaller as you fill up the storage capacity.
So I going to guess you seen that when your drive been ~half full or (half empty if you are an optimist )

 

[A Computer Guy]

Because only 10GB of SLC is static, the rest is dynamic, which gets smaller as you fill up the storage capacity.
So I going to guess you seen that when your drive been ~half full or (half empty if you are an optimist )

About 2/3 of the 4TB drive is still empty with plenty of room for that larger 422GB SLC cache but I know what you mean. The more storage in use the less space for the SLC cache.
It would be interesting to see Tom's hardware test benches when the drives were also 25%, 50%, and 75% full.

 

[csendesmark]

About 2/3 of the 4TB drive is still empty with plenty of room for that larger 422GB SLC cache but I know what you mean. The more storage in use the less space for the SLC cache.
It would be interesting to see Tom's hardware test benches when the drives were also 25%, 50%, and 75% full.

Yeah, you can bench these SSD-s many more ways to figure them out for sure
What I suspect that when you use up the Dynamic SLC region, then you must give some "idle" time while it is internally moves the data to the "slower" memory