Samsung Data migration failed

[Shou Miko]

Yesterday I was trying to clone my Samsung 960 EVO 250GB over to a spare Samsung 850 EVO 250GB I got laying around for backup because I want to reinstall my Windows 10 Pro for a change.

It's freshly formatted, it's turned on like 51times and only about 4500 hours on the clock and total written just a lille over 4.4TB:

I have connected to my Orico dock it has never failed me before and I got a couple of their USB 3.0 enclosures and one is currently in use with a WD Purple 4TB no issue at all doing several Plex streams at 1080p.

Samsung's own Data Migration program v3.1 just shows this error:

The error code points to: "Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider" and "Volume Shadow Copy," change the Status to "Stopped" and set the Startup Type to "Manual"

They are both stopped and set to manual already, I am doing a backup in the case that I need to go back for some reason so I would love to be able to just copy it back and run.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Ive never used samsungs data migration, but if its a clone , or backup, or migration you want, give this a try. I've used it for all my Samsung 850evo's

https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/discwizard/

 

[jsfitz54]

I'm stalking you. Good morning or evening, depending.
Can you EJECT other non essential drives and just have the master and target drive connected?

 

[jboydgolfer]

I'm stalking you

 

[jsfitz54]

from here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/new-router-for-fibernet-200-200mbit.249101/page-2

 

[Shou Miko]

@jsfitz54 tried that and it makes no difference connecting the drive to USB 3.0 or 3.1 doesn't help not even with AOMEI Backupper I get error as well.

The backup drive work improperly, you could restart the computer to solve the problem.

Reboot doesn't help.

 

[jsfitz54]

@jsfitz54 tried that and it makes no difference connecting the drive to USB 3.0 or 3.1 doesn't help not even with AOMEI Backupper I get error as well.

The backup drive work improperly, you could restart the computer to solve the problem.

Reboot doesn't help.

I've had issues with external docking stations. Put the target drive in the case and it will work. (direct motherboard sata connection)
It's a Samsung Magician thing.

 

[jboydgolfer]

ive used orico docks for this exact process several times, they are a top brand, and have not failed me. With that said, if your experiencing issues, its time to start switching things to see what WILL work. either try running the back up SSD into a internal Sata port, or try the software i linked. if nether of those works, try both. then move on from there

 

[Shou Miko]

@jsfitz54 connecting the SSD in the case now Windows doesn't wanna not bcs data overrules nvme as Windows Boot Manager.

If this is gonna be such a pain I can buy a Samsung 970 EVO 500gb NVME for like $126/€111/£98 on sale right now but that shouldn't be the solution.

Because everytime I connect my 850 EVO my Z370 Taichi says its Windows Boot Manager:


I can't change this.

 

[jsfitz54]

@jsfitz54 connecting the SSD in the case now Windows doesn't wanna not bcs data overrules nvme as Windows Boot Manager.

If this is gonna be such a pain I can buy a Samsung 970 EVO 500gb NVME for like $126/€111/£98 on sale right now but that shouldn't be the solution.

Not sure about why NVME is hang up in clone process. (bios setting, nvme deactivates some sata channels?)
Samsung Magician cloning on a desktop requires both drives be internal (laptop is different)

Anything to do with your CUSTOM MODIFIED BIOS? ASK R-T-B.

 

[Shou Miko]

@jsfitz54 it's not a requirement on desktop that SSD have to be internal that some bs at work I cloned a ton of desktops with Samsung Data Integration software on desktop with HDD/SSD both sata to Samsung EVO drivers never had a usb issue.

But I guess this is just my weird Windows 10 setup and NVME that gonna play me.

 

[jsfitz54]

@jsfitz54 it's not a requirement on desktop that SSD have to be internal that some bs at work I cloned a ton of desktops with Samsung Data Integration software on desktop with HDD/SSD both sata to Samsung EVO drivers never had a usb issue.

I have. External docs don't work with Magician Cloning for me. They work as external backup drives on USB, I have those as well.

Are you using the ENTERPRISE version at work?

Anything to do with your CUSTOM MODIFIED BIOS? ASK R-T-B.

 

[Shou Miko]

@jsfitz54 wrote a pm to him already.

Finally I got my Windows 10 to boot with the SSD but still same error.

To get it I too boot just used diskpart and selected the ssd and wrote clean and left it like that.

 

[jsfitz54]

@jsfitz54 wrote a pm to him already.

Finally I got my Windows 10 to boot with the SSD but still same error.

To but I just used diskpart and selected the ssd and wrote clean and left it like that.

Is there an internal backup drive connected? "All Settings" - "Backup" ... turn slider to OFF position, reboot. ???

 

[Shou Miko]

Is there an internal backup drive connected? "All Settings" - "Backup" ... turn slider to OFF position, reboot. ???

I disabled every drive by power so the board could only find the nvme and SSD.

The weird thing with the 960 EVO at the start to be able to install Windows it was known that the 960 series needed to be formatted in MBR otherwise Windows 10 installation would fail I read that over at Tom's hardware and it worked no issues after a couple of big Windows 10 updates my NVME is now running GPT not MBR and I didn't change this.

I guess I will just throw my money after the 970 EVO that's currently on sale and call it a day bcs I will get a new drive and double the space even I would love not to spend the money on this.

 

[jsfitz54]

I disabled every drive by power so the board could only find the nvme and SSD.

The weird thing with the 960 EVO at the start to be able to install Windows it was known that the 960 series needed to be formatted in MBR otherwise Windows 10 installation would fail I read that over at Tom's hardware and it worked no issues after a couple of big Windows 10 updates my NVME is now running GPT not MBR and I didn't change this.

I guess I will just throw my money after the 970 EVO that's currently on sale and call it a day bcs I will get a new drive and double the space even I would love not to spend the money on this.

Money fixes a lot of problems. So either the custom bios changed MBR to GPT or Windows 10 master Updates did it for you.

Can you format target 850EVO to GPT, or is that already done or not possible? (I think the sata drive has to be MBR, yes? under 2TB.)

 

[Shou Miko]

@jsfitz54 I already tried formatting the 850 EVO to GPT it doesn't help.

 

[jsfitz54]

@jsfitz54 I already tried formatting the 850 EVO to GPT it doesn't help.

Software limitation?
It seems that these files are older: 2015, 2016.
On this page: says SSD to NVMe, not the other way around? http://www.clonix.com/system-backup-and-recovery-software/data-migration-software/



Samsung:
7. This software cannot clone encrypted disks. In order to clone an encrypted disk, you must first remove the password from the disk.
8. If the mainboard chipset drivers are not up to date when cloning, this software may not function properly.
9. If there are multiple operating systems installed on the PC (e.g. Windows 7 is installed on the C drive and Windows 8 is installed on the D drive), the cloned disk may not function properly.
10. If the Source Disk is damaged (e.g. the disk has bad sectors), the cloned disk may not function properly.
11. When attempting to clone a disk using this software, it is recommended that you close all other programs and free up sufficient memory before cloning.
12. If you have instant PC recovery software installed on your system, this software may not function properly.
13. If a Source Disk is converted into a dynamic disk, the software may not function properly.

 

[Shou Miko]

Software limitation?
It seems that these files are older: 2015, 2016.
On this page: says SSD to NVMe, not the other way around? http://www.clonix.com/system-backup-and-recovery-software/data-migration-software/

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Samsung:
7. This software cannot clone encrypted disks. In order to clone an encrypted disk, you must first remove the password from the disk.
8. If the mainboard chipset drivers are not up to date when cloning, this software may not function properly.
9. If there are multiple operating systems installed on the PC (e.g. Windows 7 is installed on the C drive and Windows 8 is installed on the D drive), the cloned disk may not function properly.
10. If the Source Disk is damaged (e.g. the disk has bad sectors), the cloned disk may not function properly.
11. When attempting to clone a disk using this software, it is recommended that you close all other programs and free up sufficient memory before cloning.
12. If you have instant PC recovery software installed on your system, this software may not function properly.
13. If a Source Disk is converted into a dynamic disk, the software may not function properly.

Congratz you cannot do it with the demo version you have to pay for it

Not gonna pay for a piece of software for something Samsung's Data Migration software should be able to do for free, I rather use the money on a new NVME SSD.

 

[jsfitz54]

Try EaseUs Todo Backup: https://www.easeus.com/download.htm?ad&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhLiKodXb3gIVnf_jBx1GlQMGEAAYASABEgI7RvD_BwE

 

[Shou Miko]

Try EaseUs Todo Backup: https://www.easeus.com/download.htm?ad&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhLiKodXb3gIVnf_jBx1GlQMGEAAYASABEgI7RvD_BwE

I will try it later because I am gonna head out and I cannot access easeus.com from my isp and isitup.org says it's up so I don't know.

EaseUS Todo Backup now tried used it yesterday at work and worked flawless but just not with my NVME drive

So I guess I will just order that 970 EVO 500GB even I was looking at a Intel 760P 512GB before the EVO came on sale and now the EVO is about $11/€10/£9 cheaper because it's pre-sluppy Black Friday which is a joke in my country.

 

[jsfitz54]

How hard would it be to flash the stock bios back and enable the Intel Management Engine. Then see if it clones , then go back?

After some reading around, it also may be bad sectors, locked area on disk? Info points to a hardware issue anyway.

Your using OLD CrystalDiskInfo, newest is 7.8.3 : https://crystalmark.info/en/download/

 

[Solaris17]

you know what. looking at these different errors something is being painted. I am wondering if you have problems with the OS. all of these issues seem to depend on the VSS service which is what most of these pieces of software use to clone.

Have you tried cloning in a live environment?

 

[jsfitz54]

SEE THIS NEW TODAY: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/samsung-magician-ssd-management-utility/

Might be worth a try.

 

[R-T-B]

Anything to do with your CUSTOM MODIFIED BIOS? ASK R-T-B.

I literally don't even touch the part of the bios that is related to storage. Heck I don't even touch the part of the UEFI related to UEFI or bios. I only touch the ME firmware. AMIBIOS has these partitioned apart, so I see no real way this could be related.