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Sandy Bridge - Biggest Disappointment of the Year

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I have to ask how is sandy bridge the biggest disappointment of the year when only the mid range parts have been released?
 
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Y'all gotta be impressed by the overclocking. A simple bump in Vcore and multiplier get you 4.6-4.8 Ghz.
While sure it can do that.... That is all it can do too! My 860 Can clock fairly high and compete with these chips. And I have full control over every little bit of it too.

Intel has done a few things here is appears.

1st. It looks like they made some chips that run very cool and can clock very high.

2nd. They also seem to have made Overclocking something a Dummy can do now!

3rd. They also seem to have castrated the shit out of overclocking too! With putting so many restrictions on it.

I am going to wait a little while longer to see how things develop to make up my full mind. I asked a question earlier today asking if I should upgrade to a SB CPU. After reading the last article in the last post on this thread. I am not impressed! While there are pro's to Sandy Bridges.... There are allot more Cons then Pros right now.

If things start developing a different way I might change my tune.... But as it stands today.... the 5% to 10% increase I would get with these when overclocked is not worth the money. I am waiting for Bulldoze FX or Ivy Bridge to release.

I don't think it's a disappointment.... I just think it's no big deal right now.
 

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If Intel keeps up with this K series thing, I may have to switch to AMD. :shadedshu
I agree.

They're using a pretty limited system overall, where you really have to buy a K series to do any kind of overclocking as all other chips can barely push past it's 100MHz BCLK and be stable so everything has to essentially be done with the multi, and if your multi is locked, well it's a sad day for you. The up side is of course that it's easy as hell to overclock on these chips, you can get above 4GHz in no time.

They also put in a system where it downclocks itself and decreases performance if it hits temps below -20c and that high end coolers will actually perform worse then retail stock cooling at times due to performance scaling:(, so that's going to be tough to extreme cooling.

With previous generation cpus, improvements such as high end air cooling, water cooling or more extreme forms like LN2 in addition to extreme voltage increases could potentially provide increases in clock speeds on a continual ramp until the limits of the CPU were reached. This is not the case with K series on the P67 chipset.
I still think they're great for the money though, especially for me being a not so crazy overclocker.:)
 
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I agree.

They're using a pretty limited system overall, where you really have to buy a K series to do any kind of overclocking as all other chips can barely push past it's 100MHz BCLK and be stable so everything has to essentially be done with the multi, and if your multi is locked, well it's a sad day for you. The up side is of course that it's easy as hell to overclock on these chips, you can get above 4GHz in no time.

They also put in a system where it downclocks itself and decreases performance if it hits temps below -20c and that high end coolers will actually perform worse then retail stock cooling at times due to performance scaling:(, so that's going to be tough to extreme cooling.



I still think they're great for the money though, especially for me being a not so crazy overclocker.:)
I wonder what that means for water cooling and the like? Does that mean we're screwed too?
 

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Isn't it odd how the latest generations of CPUs and GPUs over the last year or so have been so underwhelming? I can only put it down to two main factors:

- Lack of competition from the other side. Both companies need to have products at the same performance level to go head to head on price and start a price war. This will also spur innovation to outdo each other with better hardware.

- Engineering brick walls. Mainly in the form of power consumption and the amount of heat generated. This problem actually started years ago when the clock speed could not realistically be ramped higher to the same degree as before. Sure, it's still going up a bit each generation with overclocking, but the stock speeds aren't going up. We can now get 5+ Ghz out of Sandy Bridge on a K-series overclock. Not really that impressive when you think how long it's taken to get to 5GHz - and it's not a stock speed either. We had 3.8GHz rated Pentium 4's in 2003 remember. A measly 1 point something gigahertz extra overclocked is nothing to shout about. Yes, I know about the instructions per clock going up to compensate and extra cores, but that's not the point. We are still stuck when it comes to the most important raw performance enhancement.

I think this trend in diminishing returns is unfortunately going to continue, unless radical new technology is developed such as optical chips, perhaps.
 
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Isn't it odd how the latest generations of CPUs and GPUs over the last year or so have been so underwhelming? I can only put it down to two main factors:

- Lack of competition from the other side. Both companies need to have products at the same performance level to go head to head on price and start a price war. This will also spur innovation to outdo each other with better hardware.

- Engineering brick walls. Mainly in the form of power consumption and the amount of heat generated. This problem actually started years ago when the clock speed could not realistically be ramped higher to the same degree as before. Sure, it's still going up a bit each generation with overclocking, but the stock speeds aren't going up. We can now get 5+ Ghz out of Sandy Bridge on a K-series overclock. Not really that impressive when you think how long it's taken to get to 5GHz - and it's not a stock speed either.

I think this trend in diminishing returns is unfortunately going to continue, unless radical new technology is developed such as optical chips, perhaps.
Nicely explained I agree! I read something a little disconcerting the other day. It was an article by Fudzilla exclaiming that we have reached a point in time (They theorize) That the time has come were all enthusiast products must be water cooled or exotic cooled.

While I don't exactly agree we are there yet... I can see there point were if stuff doesn't change soon... That is were we will have to be.
 

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Nicely explained I agree! I read something a little disconcerting the other day. It was an article by Fudzilla exclaiming that we have reached a point in time (They theorize) That the time has come were all enthusiast products must be water cooled or exotic cooled.

While I don't exactly agree we are there yet... I can see there point were if stuff doesn't change soon... That is were we will have to be.
Thanks 20mm, the power brick wall is looming large indeed.

Oh and you might wish to requote me, because I added a bit. ;)
 

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wow January 3rd and he has had his worst of the year....lol
its semiaccurate, you should expect to get semi accurate information from them. Similar to Fudzilla i always thought their articles were written by kiddies
 
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Take that to the nuts Intel.. Epic Fail :nutkick:
 

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Take that to the nuts Intel.. Epic Fail :nutkick:
okay fanboy or troll.

Dont get to excited now. They have only released the mid end parts, and even if we can't overclock to much the performance at stock is pretty nice.

I wonder want X68(LGA2011 or whatever the number was) has in store for us though.


EDIT: however i dont feel im going to need to upgrade my i7 920 for the next 2+ years
 

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Take that to the nuts Intel.. Epic Fail :nutkick:
Take what to the nuts?

They put out some great chips, both the 2500K and 2600K are great performers and can push actually near almost 980x numbers in some cases and pushes around regular i7 numbers for a LOT less cash. I can only imagine what the higher end LGA 2011 chips will offer.:rockout:

Only real issues so far with Sandy is the overclocking standard has changed with this series and imo they have heavily locked out the enthusiasts with the system they decided to go with on these chips.
 
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I've never been a fan of Intel, but this whole article is crap.

I still get the need to go over to the local sandbox, make a bridge and run through it with my toy bulldozer, though:laugh:
 
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read article then.....


 

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^^ Thats only on the 400$ CPU, yes i7 2600k retails at 400$...

I think we could already hit about 4.4GHz on the 300$ Core i7 950

And the COre i7 2500k is 300$ retail, but the BIGGEST BUMMER, no Hyperthreading
 
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^^ Thats only on the 400$ CPU, yes i7 2600k retails at 400$...

I think we could already hit about 4.4GHz on the 300$ Core i7 950

And the COre i5 2500k is 300$ retail, but the BIGGEST BUMMER, no Hyperthreading
fixed :cool:
 
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^^ Thats only on the 400$ CPU, yes i7 2600k retails at 400$...

I think we could already hit about 4.4GHz on the 300$ Core i7 950

And the COre i5 2500k is 300$ retail, but the BIGGEST BUMMER, no Hyperthreading
Fixed that for ya.

And yes you can hit 4.4GHz on i7 950 but it consumes a lot of power to do so and you need to have very decent cooling. You can do 4.4 on stock heatsink with the new i7 2600k. Not to mention clock for clock it's still faster.

In this thread there appears to be a few people who only read what they want to read from a review.
 
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In this thread there appears to be a few people who only read what they want to read from a review.
this ^^^^^spot on
 
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okay fanboy or troll.

Dont get to excited now. They have only released the mid end parts, and even if we can't overclock to much the performance at stock is pretty nice.

I wonder want X68(LGA2011 or whatever the number was) has in store for us though.


EDIT: however i dont feel im going to need to upgrade my i7 920 for the next 2+ years
Take what to the nuts?

They put out some great chips, both the 2500K and 2600K are great performers and can push actually near almost 980x numbers in some cases and pushes around regular i7 numbers for a LOT less cash. I can only imagine what the higher end LGA 2011 chips will offer.:rockout:

Only real issues so far with Sandy is the overclocking standard has changed with this series and imo they have heavily locked out the enthusiasts with the system they decided to go with on these chips.
Only time can tell .. :respect:
 
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As some have pointed out ... these are just midrange chips ... and they perform really well ... consumes less power ... plus the thermal levels are amazing .... lets wait and see what intel has offer in the months to come ...

And in many reviews I have seen reviewers overclock these chips past 4.5Ghz very easily (with stock cooler) ... If one uses a decent aftermarket cooler I'm pretty sure they'd be able to go past at least 4.8) ... so basically the overclocking is easy and grt ... I guess the only people who'll be disappointed would be the enthusiast overclockers ...


Plus the sandy bridge mobile chips are just awesome ... check this -->http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1506/1/
 
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Power Supply Silverstone 750 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750
Mouse Gigabyte aivia krypton gaming mouse | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech
Software Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home
#50
I dont give a rats ass about how they overclock or overclocking performance, its all about stock clock performance for me. So if there not much better then the current I7's at stock clocks then meh, its good realy Because AMD then might be able to catch up and give us all cheaper i7's to buy? No? or CPU's in general.
 
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