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Sandy Bridge - Biggest Disappointment of the Year

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Haters gonna hate no matter what

Intel released a cpu at near amd level prices with near 980 level performance and its disapointing?:confused: This anint their big gun. This is average joe stuff. And almost overkill for average joe. Intel raised the bar but we're overclockers, hackers and modders so we'll still find a way to get more performance out of it. Its just a new challenge. And as far as the price arguement goes.... If you want the power luxury and class of a Mercedes you gotta pay for a Mercedes. Other wise buy a Hyundia that just looks kinda sorta like one with Kmart leather and hamsters for an engine.
 

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I think the sandy bride CPU's are quite excellent really, the 2600K seems to par or beat the i7 975, while consuming ~40-45% less power doing so. overclocking, while needing a K model, seems to be a breeze with many reviewers hitting 4.2-4.4ghz on either the stock cooler, or non-elaborate air cooling. if you put a kickass air cooler or w/c on a 2600K, 4.6-5ghz would not be too much to ask IMO.
I agree but have to point out one thing, it seams that the stock cooler for the 2600K is a heat pipe tower cooler like or the same as the one that comes with the 980x (unsure how many pipes the 980x cooler has) so it's way better than normal stock CPU heat sinks.
 

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Why does Charlie Demerjian hate Intel (or everything thats not ATI/AMD) sooo much?
 
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Intel released a cpu at near amd level prices with near 980 level performance and its disapointing?:confused: This anint their big gun. This is average joe stuff. And almost overkill for average joe. Intel raised the bar but we're overclockers, hackers and modders so we'll still find a way to get more performance out of it. Its just a new challenge. And as far as the price arguement goes.... If you want the power luxury and class of a Mercedes you gotta pay for a Mercedes. Other wise buy a Hyundia that just looks kinda sorta like one with Kmart leather and hamsters for an engine.
well the 2500k is the best price/performance and the i3 2100
is the worst.amd has to lower prices for all phenoms but still intel motherboard price of the cheapest brand are twice of amd's cheapest
 
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well the 2500k is the best price/performance and the i3 2100
is the worst amd has to lower prices for all phenoms but still intel
motherboard price of the cheapest brand are twice of amd's cheapest
True But thats their target segment of consumers price range. To be honest i'M SURPRISED The chip didn't cost more given what their capable of on air none the less. This is cheap for intel. But thats unfortunately what we users gotta pay to play. Latest and greatest = priceyist... that cant b spelled right
 
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yes they could have find a way to use 1156 with sandy bridge but they will make less money from motherboard if they did that.
the marketing strategy is why sell one product if you can sell two its good for them not for the paying customer
That's not really true. See you're looking at things from an enthusiast point of view and are thinking that everybody upgrades as soon as the new generation comes. But in fact most consumers follow update cycles of 3, 4 or even 5 years and will need to upgrade everything anyway. Intel are targeting that specific group of people with their current products.

In fact you could go as far as to say that they're actually loosing money now because many people would have otherwise updated if it was just a CPU change, will be put off from making a complete system update. Intel's strategy is in no way a bad strategy but it's not excellent - you can never make all the people happy.

Maybe if somebody introduced an add in board that could convert the 1156 socket to 1155 like in the p3 days...
 
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That's not really true. See you're looking at things from an enthusiast point of view and are thinking that everybody upgrades as soon as the new generation comes. But in fact most consumers follow update cycles of 3, 4 or even 5 years and will need to upgrade everything anyway. Intel are targeting that specific group of people with their current products.

In fact you could go as far as to say that they're actually loosing money now because many people would have otherwise updated if it was just a CPU change, will be put off from making a complete system update. Intel's strategy is in no way a bad strategy but it's not excellent - you can never make all the people happy.

Maybe if somebody introduced an add in board that could convert the 1156 socket to 1155 like in the p3 days...
i upgrade once every 3 years so i don't no how you think so
and about the 1155 your naive to think intel can't make it
work with 1156 when they designed it Where there's a Will, there's a way. intel has the way not the will
 

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That's not really true. See you're looking at things from an enthusiast point of view and are thinking that everybody upgrades as soon as the new generation comes. But in fact most consumers follow update cycles of 3, 4 or even 5 years and will need to upgrade everything anyway. Intel are targeting that specific group of people with their current products.

In fact you could go as far as to say that they're actually loosing money now because many people would have otherwise updated if it was just a CPU change, will be put off from making a complete system update. Intel's strategy is in no way a bad strategy but it's not excellent - you can never make all the people happy.

Maybe if somebody introduced an add in board that could convert the 1156 socket to 1155 like in the p3 days...
it cant be to hard AM2 boards can run the 1090t now. all intel did with 1155 was make it a pain to overclock which is stupid IMO
 
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i read all of that and was waiting for him to get to windows performance and just didnt. im not planning on going blue but that review was stupid. trashed the whole cpu on the basis of not running some linux apps on launch day??. im sure the 4 people that wanted those apps with that cpu on that linux distro were gutted.
 
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it cant be to hard AM2 boards can run the 1090t now. all intel did with 1155 was make it a pain to overclock which is stupid IMO
The non K models are not overclockable. All K models have unlocked multiplier and all have hit at least 4.4 Ghz on air by simply raising Vcore and multiplier alone (2 steps process that takes like 30 seconds).
 
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So you can only overclock on the P motherboards but only the CPU because you can't use the GPU with it and you can only overclock and use the GPU on the H motherboard, which can't be overclocked even with the K processors? Wow that's a headspinner...

The Intel engineers did a terrific job and made a great CPU but then management took a giant crap all over it:shadedshu
 
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i upgrade once every 3 years so i don't no how you think so
and about the 1155 your naive to think intel can't make it
work with 1156 when they designed it Where there's a Will, there's a way. intel has the way not the will
It's not that they lack the will but it is their business model. New process comes with new chipset and mobo. You make more money selling them rather than processor alone. It's certainly not cost saving for the end users/buyesr and less people will buy the new processors. However, I am sure Intel profit analysis must have predicted that this is the best business model for them.
 
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Well, there are always going to be this kind of threads whenever a new cpu is released. I mean there were similar threads when i7-920 was released also. And even when Conroe got released, but then that was by AMD fanboys.

We have the right to be concerned but I think it goes over the top way too often.
 

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The non K models are not overclockable. All K models have unlocked multiplier and all have hit at least 4.4 Ghz on air by simply raising Vcore and multiplier alone (2 steps process that takes like 30 seconds).
So its a specific board specific chip to oc what's next specific ram and video cards heck let's throw some branding in to like fatality or something
 
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So its a specific board specific chip to oc what's next specific ram and video cards heck let's throw some branding in to like fatality or something
I think of them more like prebuilt vs. custom built.

Prebuilt: SB H mobo and non K processors. Most computers from Dell, HP, Apple, etc. use non overclocking components and are sold at stock speed. The majority of buyers use them.

Custom built: SB P mobo and K processors. A select few (ie: us enthusiast) will buy them for overclocking purposes. They do cost a little more but that's the price you pay for the enthusiast segment.
 
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You guys leave Charlie Demerjian alone dammit. He serves the community in a valuable way. If it wasn't for him I would have to be the village idiot AND troll. Thats just to much responsibility for one man to have.
 
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Not only is Intel getting crappy, Sandy Bridge is sticking to quad core with no word of a six or eight core models. I cannot wait another year for an eight core CPU. AMD is supposed to release a 32nm Bulldozer CPU with eight cores in the first half of this year. Furthermore, I believe with this whole new architecture, AMD will not only have a faster CPU than Intel Sandy Bridge crap quad core CPU's and $1000 six core, but it will be cheaper.
 

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I think of them more like prebuilt vs. custom built.

Prebuilt: SB H mobo and non K processors. Most computers from Dell, HP, Apple, etc. use non overclocking components and are sold at stock speed. The majority of buyers use them.

Custom built: SB P mobo and K processors. A select few (ie: us enthusiast) will buy them for overclocking purposes. They do cost a little more but that's the price you pay for the enthusiast segment.
But I enjoy overclocking cheap chips I don't want to pay extra for overclocking.
 
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Not only is Intel getting crappy, Sandy Bridge is sticking to quad core with no word of a six or eight core models. I cannot wait another year for an eight core CPU. AMD is supposed to release a 32nm Bulldozer CPU with eight cores in the first half of this year. Furthermore, I believe with this whole new architecture, AMD will not only have a faster CPU than Intel Sandy Bridge crap quad core CPU's and $1000 six core, but it will be cheaper.
for once I agree with an opinion against intel. but not entirely. yes the 1155 switch was straight B/S they did not have to do that their p67 is not very different from P55 honestly. they could have done with sandy bridge what they did with conroe/wolfdale etc kept the same socket but they got greedy. I do think that bulldozer with make SB look terrible mainly due to it actually will have 8 real cores, will be cheaper , and it will have bus overclocking. do I think they will be faster with amd bulldozer have all but 1 core disabled and intel sandy bridge as well?? NO i think core for core SB will be faster but hyperthreaded cores are weaker then physical cores.
 

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But I enjoy overclocking cheap chips I don't want to pay extra for overclocking.
I agree.

That's really the only thing i am disliking about Sandy Bridge at this moment, it's that they locked down overclockability to certain chip models and chipsets while crippling the other models so that it makes it impossible to get to the same speeds as the more expensive models. I have no problems with having only certain models with unlocked multipliers, but when you do that, the other less expensive chips should at least do us some good through the BCLK, but from what the reviews are saying, you'll be hard pressed to do much overclocking with a non K model, and i find that disappointing.

It's definitely a problem for us (which is most of us) that buy cheaper chips and intend on overclocking them to the higher speeds of the better chips. But hey, these are only the mid-range Sandy Bridge chips, so who knows, maybe the intentions were to focus on more of the mainstream market and not the overclockers and that they will do better with regards to overclocking with their LGA 2011 chips. But still, you should be able to overclock and change settings on the majority of chips they push out, not the minority, i don't want to have to cherry pick between two models and one chipset to get the best overclocking options.

But still i have to say that overall performance with Sandy Bridge has been good, they look like awesome performing chips for the money, and besides the overclocking grudge i currently have against it, they're very nice chips.
 
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People seem to hung up on some sort of principal argument, and not seeing bang for buck offered here.

Considering that a i5 2500k soundly out performs a Phenom II x6 1100T, I think it's easy to add up the cost of building a system and gauging the performance difference.

Say an 880G mobo with said Phenom cost around $370 (probably low). Estimating a P67 mobo at $200 (probably high) and the chip listed at $216 comes to $416.

Now I think one should look at the gaming performance, at stock and overclocked, that has been well documented on many sites the last few days, and it shouldn't be hard to figure out what is the better buy.

You're all smart people here. I know you can do it. ;)
 
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for once I agree with an opinion against intel. but not entirely. yes the 1155 switch was straight B/S they did not have to do that their p67 is not very different from P55 honestly. they could have done with sandy bridge what they did with conroe/wolfdale etc kept the same socket but they got greedy. I do think that bulldozer with make SB look terrible mainly due to it actually will have 8 real cores, will be cheaper , and it will have bus overclocking. do I think they will be faster with amd bulldozer have all but 1 core disabled and intel sandy bridge as well?? NO i think core for core SB will be faster but hyperthreaded cores are weaker then physical cores.

I am sure Sandy Bridge will destroy Bulldozer core for core no doubt. But thats if they come out with a next gen six core variant or eight core which I am defiantly hoping for. My point is that Intel is slacking Also, not only is there no concrete information in sight until at least next year with Ivy Bridge of another six core or eight core CPU but Sandy Bridge has other negative stuff as mentioned in this thread. :(
 
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I don't understand the overclock argument at all. Overclocking cheap chips died with 775. There aren't any cheap 1156 chips like there were for 775. A G6950 is twice the price of a E3400. If you wanted a 1156 system you got a 750, now with 1155 you get a 2500k with greater overclocking ability and a clock for clock advantage. What is there to bitch and moan about?
 
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