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Sandy Bridge to Skylake. Is it worth it?

Is it worth it to upgrade to Skylake from Sandy Bridge?


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So I was reading an article on Anandtech that was basically doing a gen by gen comparison of Intel's processors and came across this little tid bit.

Overall, Skylake is not an earth shattering leap in performance. In our IPC testing, with CPUs at 3 GHz, we saw a 5.7% increase in performance over a Haswell processor at the same clockspeed and ~ 25% gains over Sandy Bridge.
Despite some of the numbers in gaming ( i know they really only focused on i7's) not showing that much of a differnece (1-3 fps difference) between all the generations, they mention that Skylake is an ~25% increase in performance over Sandy Bridge.

Is it worth it to upgrade? I personally think so. I just want your opinions on it.

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I upgraded from a 2500k to 4770k and thought it was worth it. Would be even more so going to Skylake imo, especially now that DDR4 is on the mainstream platform.
 

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25% isn't as much as I'd like to see, but it's finally worth pulling the trigger for. Plus, don't forget that Skylake supports newer features such as PCI-E 3.0 which makes a difference on high end graphics cards, along with other little things, which all add up.

Also, I've noticed that my mum's i3 (2 cores + HT, forget the model number) Ivy Bridge system seems to have a more fluid feel on the desktop than my 2700K, which could be improvements in internal CPU bottlenecks, so Skylake should be even more noticeable.

@MxPhenom 216 What felt better to you about it? Was it the desktop feel like I described above, perhaps? Also you went from 4 cores to 4 cores + HT which will also make a difference.
 
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Id like to hear from the 2 people that voted "no" on why that was their opinion. Even people that vote yes, I want to hear all you have to say. :)
 
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I will vote no because I think you pc is more then capable of doing any task you throw at it even if it's an older platform. Spending money on a 25% improvement is not worth it IMO. It might be different where you live, I wrote what I wrote looking at the price's of a new mobo+ DDR4 ram is too big for me. I would maybe wait for pascal to come out.
 
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Worth is up to the buyer. Having issues running applications due to lack of CPU power? Probably worth it! Computer running fine and doing what you want? Not worth it!
 

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Sandybridge-E to Skylake? That's my question. I'd still rather move to Haswell-E.

Unfortunately Anandtech's review didn't include the Enthusiast chips for comparison.
 
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I'll answer.

SB-E is the same architecture as SB, released reasonably near SB. It offered SB, with significantly more RAM, cores, and PCI-e.
IB-E was a mirror to SB-E, but more depressing in the fact that it still utilized the X79 chipset.
Haswell-E introduced DDR4, and upgrades in connectivity. It was released a year after Haswell.
Broadwell was a polished turd. Haswell refresh cannibalized it.

This means that in 4 generations Skylake can demonstrate a 25% increased performance over an identically clocked SB chip. Let's do the math.
(x)^4=1.25 -> x=1.057 -> Generation improvement = 5.7% (average). That's just in net performance, as overclocking is not talked about at all.



I currently have a mildly overclocked 3930k, and I'm comparing that to the brand new Skylake offerings (lord knows, it'll be a year before Skylake-E comes out). I get to move to expensive new RAM, that currently sees no benefits over DDR3 for gaming (almost no games can even use more than 4 GB). I get a mildly faster interface (PCI-e 3.0 over SB-E is possible, but realistically a single GPU can't saturate that and multi-GPU systems aren't really where Skylake's PCI-e lane count shines). I get some new connectivity (more SATA III and USB 3). For all of these benefits I'm looking at a minimum of a few hundred dollars expense. Not really worth is for a 25% increase when a mild overclock makes that gap functionally disappear, and I don't have a Haswell CPU thermally throttling itself because Intel decided to use monkey spit as thermal paste inside their processors.


Assuming you're looking at a 2500k then the upgrade is a different story. Skylake, by my standards, is worth the upgrade from the consumer offerings of SB. The thing is, that's the cut-off point. IB was a stinker, because of that thermal paste. People who rectified that problem have likely upgraded to Devil's Canyon because they have the funds to do it. People who have Haswell won't really see much improvement. Going back farther, Core architecture CPUs have realistically been retired; SB was a huge enough leap to bring most people into the i series. Early i series processors weren't bad, but they're pigs. Again, SB was a huge enough leap to warrant retiring most of them. I'm not really seeing anything that says Skylake is more than a generational gap between new memory standards, that probably will be remembered more for RAM than any great performance improvements.



As far as personal thoughts on the generations, you really need at least a gap of two generations to see anything after SB. IB couldn't justify its OC handicap and minor improvements. Haswell was interesting, but FIVR kinda made things difficult. Broadwell was thrown out with the bath water. Skylake is an unknown, but initial information I've seen isn't substantial enough to cal it amazing.
 
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I will vote no because I think you pc is more then capable of doing any task you throw at it even if it's an older platform. Spending money on a 25% improvement is not worth it IMO. It might be different where you live, I wrote what I wrote looking at the price's of a new mobo+ DDR4 ram is too big for me. I would maybe wait for pascal to come out.
Pascal? Yeah my rig is definately capable of everything I throw at it including getting 31 FPS in batman AK despite all the issues with the game. I do have major frame drops in certain locations usually only using the batmobile but id prefer to glide everywhere anyway. However, I do have 3 SSD's and my 120GB OS boot drive is sitting on a SATA II controller so it's not even getting the full benefit it should be. My other two are my game drives sitting in RAID0 on the SATA III controller.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
25% isn't as much as I'd like to see, but it's finally worth pulling the trigger for. Plus, don't forget that Skylake supports newer features such as PCI-E 3.0 which makes a difference on high end graphics cards, along with other little things, which all add up.
Intel has been on PCIe3.0 for a couple generations Qb... and it really makes a negligible difference in the first place (1-2%).
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/21.html
 
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I'll answer.

SB-E is the same architecture as SB, released reasonably near SB. It offered SB, with significantly more RAM, cores, and PCI-e.
IB-E was a mirror to SB-E, but more depressing in the fact that it still utilized the X79 chipset.
Haswell-E introduced DDR4, and upgrades in connectivity. It was released a year after Haswell.
Broadwell was a polished turd. Haswell refresh cannibalized it.

This means that in 4 generations Skylake can demonstrate a 25% increased performance over an identically clocked SB chip. Let's do the math.
(x)^4=1.25 -> x=1.057 -> Generation improvement = 5.7% (average). That's just in net performance, as overclocking is not talked about at all.



I currently have a mildly overclocked 3930k, and I'm comparing that to the brand new Skylake offerings (lord knows, it'll be a year before Skylake-E comes out). I get to move to expensive new RAM, that currently sees no benefits over DDR3 for gaming (almost no games can even use more than 4 GB). I get a mildly faster interface (PCI-e 3.0 over SB-E is possible, but realistically a single GPU can't saturate that and multi-GPU systems aren't really where Skylake's PCI-e lane count shines). I get some new connectivity (more SATA III and USB 3). For all of these benefits I'm looking at a minimum of a few hundred dollars expense. Not really worth is for a 25% increase when a mild overclock makes that gap functionally disappear, and I don't have a Haswell CPU thermally throttling itself because Intel decided to use monkey spit as thermal paste inside their processors.


Assuming you're looking at a 2500k then the upgrade is a different story. Skylake, by my standards, is worth the upgrade from the consumer offerings of SB. The thing is, that's the cut-off point. IB was a stinker, because of that thermal paste. People who rectified that problem have likely upgraded to Devil's Canyon because they have the funds to do it. People who have Haswell won't really see much improvement. Going back farther, Core architecture CPUs have realistically been retired; SB was a huge enough leap to bring most people into the i series. Early i series processors weren't bad, but they're pigs. Again, SB was a huge enough leap to warrant retiring most of them. I'm not really seeing anything that says Skylake is more than a generational gap between new memory standards, that probably will be remembered more for RAM than any great performance improvements.



As far as personal thoughts on the generations, you really need at least a gap of two generations to see anything after SB. IB couldn't justify its OC handicap and minor improvements. Haswell was interesting, but FIVR kinda made things difficult. Broadwell was thrown out with the bath water. Skylake is an unknown, but initial information I've seen isn't substantial enough to cal it amazing.
You mention overclocking. If that chinese report that I posted a couple weeks ago holds true about getting to 5GHz speeds on AIR and it's stable, I definitely think it would be a worthy upgrade to get that extra performance out of it.
 
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if only for gaming - totaly no
why:
1)CPU starting from SB is not bottlenecking any single GPU(no matter of pci-e2.0 or 3.0)
2)if you're interested in $/performance ratio - you're still in nice spot
3)if you're interested in total performance - go at least with i7-5930k and cf/sli
 
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You mention overclocking. If that chinese report that I posted a couple weeks ago holds true about getting to 5GHz speeds on AIR and it's stable, I definitely think it would be a worthy upgrade to get that extra performance out of it.
4.4-4.6Ghz with 1.312V in russian reviews with stock 4.0Ghz(4.2 Ghz turbo) 1.200V
so like haswell
 
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if only for gaming - totaly no
why:
1)CPU starting from SB is not bottlenecking any single GPU(no matter of pci-e2.0 or 3.0)
2)if you're interested in $/performance ratio - you're still in nice spot
3)if you're interested in total performance - go at least with i7-5930k and cf/sli
I wont to multi card GPU's ever unless the # of monitors I have/need calls for it. Too many driver issues/performance issues I just dont want to deal with. It's why I wont make my own WC loop for my rig. Dont want to deal with the maintenance/leaks. I am missing out on having SATA 6GB/s ports.
 
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You mention overclocking. If that chinese report that I posted a couple weeks ago holds true about getting to 5GHz speeds on AIR and it's stable, I definitely think it would be a worthy upgrade to get that extra performance out of it.
The reports on SB-e, and x79 specifically indicated:
14 USB 2.0
4 USB 3.0
10 SATA III
4 SATA II

All of that from the freakin' PCH.



What we got was...significantly less impressive. Chinese reports are not worth the lead laced toilet paper they're printed upon. When I get a decent report from a tester I trust, I'll buy the 5.0 GHz figure on air. Until it can be proven, we're just talking crap.
 
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The reports on SB-e, and x79 specifically indicated:
14 USB 2.0
4 USB 3.0
10 SATA III
4 SATA II

All of that from the freakin' PCH.



What we got was...significantly less impressive. Chinese reports are not worth the lead laced toilet paper they're printed upon. When I get a decent report from a tester I trust, I'll buy the 5.0 GHz figure on air. Until it can be proven, we're just talking crap.
If I could actually determine this was indeed worth my money I could test that myself. But it would be on my H60 not air.

Ultimately if it comes down to it, I can definatily do that until something worth my money becomes available. Id just rather not as id rather the board support it natively.
 

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What's making me decide to upgrade is that I need the parts in my computer for another family member. What do you intend to do with your currently working parts? Does that alone justify the upgrade for yourself?
 
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What's making me decide to upgrade is that I need the parts in my computer for another family member. What do you intend to do with your currently working parts? Does that alone justify the upgrade for yourself?
I am upgrading now...Finally! 6700k, 2x8 16GB DDR4 3000, now I need to find a good motherboard and either an adapter or a newer CPU Block. Awesome. Mounting Kit is $5 for my block for 1151. :)
 
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What's making me decide to upgrade is that I need the parts in my computer for another family member. What do you intend to do with your currently working parts? Does that alone justify the upgrade for yourself?
I plan to sell the cpu, motherboard, and ram. I also have a 480gb ssd that I need to sell too.
To answer your second question, if the sale of my rig helps negate some of the debt from buying the new parts, I could see it as justifyable.

I am upgrading now...Finally! 6700k, 2x8 16GB DDR4 3000, now I need to find a good motherboard and either an adapter or a newer CPU Block. Awesome. Mounting Kit is $5 for my block for 1151. :)
I'm lucky the corsair H series of water coolers don't need any of that. They say it works fine with 1151.
 
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Going X99 with a 5820K would be more of an upgrade compared to SB to Skylake, that's my opinion of course.

You may not notice those additional cores now, but you will definitely in the upcoming months, IF they deliver what they promised with future APIs and W10.
 

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I'm lucky the corsair H series of water coolers don't need any of that. They say it works fine with 1151.

My chip is 1.24V at stock. I get 4.8 GHz @ 1.35V, with ~70c temps under a Corsair H90. 5GHz on air is totally possible, fi you get a chip with LOWER stock voltage than mine, like 1.2V. I do not know if they even exist though.
 
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System Name TheReactor
Processor i7 10700k @ 5.2Ghz
Motherboard ASUS Maximus XII
Cooling HeatKiller VI CPU/GPU Block -2xBlackIce GTX 240 Radiators - Swiftech MCP655 Pump
Memory 32GB G.Skill 3600Mhz Cas 14
Video Card(s) PNY RTX 2080 TI
Storage Samsung 960 EVO 500GB
Display(s) Acer Predator xb271hu - 2560x1440 @144hz
Case Corsiar 550
Audio Device(s) on board
Power Supply Antec Quattro 1000W
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Corsair Gaming k70
Software Windows 10 Pro 64bit
I'm lucky the corsair H series of water coolers don't need any of that. They say it works fine with 1151.
That is great as well. Having a complete custom loop with a CPU block that was released when LGA1366 was brand new and I only have to spend $5 for an adapter will let me keep it vs buying a new $100 block.

i7-9xx where pretty hot running, especially at 4+ghz. I have never gone above 65c and that is using prime/occt. Gaming I rarely push into the high 50's and that is with my OC'd 780ti's attached.
 
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