Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT Pulse

[R0H1T]

But high peaks are what makes PSUs and cooling fail. You buy stuff to cover the maximums.

You don't buy PSU's with 5~10W load off the maximum required by your system, that's called suicide or stupid. Anyone doing this should not be doing DIY builds. You usually get a margin of 50~100W also taking into consideration the (PSU) efficiency & other peripheral components. So no GPU's will rarely kill your system, unless one's being too cute or cheap. Secondly good PSUs can handle more than 100% load for a short period of time, so again maximum power draw matters less here.

As for the power draw itself, the comment you replied to was likely about efficiency i.e. fps/W & as you can see a lot of reviews put the 5600XT (older BIOS?) at the top. Unless we have better data at hand?

 

[notb]

You don't buy PSU's with 5~10W load off the maximum required by your system

No, you don't. But you still need to cover the peaks, not the averages. It's a general remark.
This was triggered by @jabbadap:
"consumption" peak values are quite meaningless

As for the power draw itself, the comment you replied to was likely about efficiency i.e. fps/W & as you can see a lot of reviews put the 5600XT (older BIOS?) at the top. Unless we have better data at hand?

I'm not going to poetically interpret every comment.
@medi01 said:
5600XT is a cheaper, faster card[B] that consumes less than even legit 2060[/B], let alone crippled down KO.
I think this sentence is fairly straightforward. If he meant efficiency or that he wants his burger medium rare - he should have worded this differently.

 

[Ibotibo01]

Benchmarks alone are not enough, even a minor performance drop in fps is not welcomed when the difference is either not visible or feeling worse

2. Because they are either blind/brainless Fanboys or they had no choice
RT is useless in general: because it is either unavailable in 99% of games, costy for either barely noticeable or graphics that feel worse.
RT in 2060 is even worse because it has the least number of RT cores.
I just don't get it. Why Fanboys keep saying that 5600xt's price should be 250$ but they never ever said that about the exaggeratedly overpriced 2060, 2060s, 2070, 2070s, 1660ti, 1660 super and so on.

If you are changing regular your GPU, you won't buy RTX 20 series. I am not Nvidia fanboy. I have used AMD GPU for 7 years. AMD makes great Price/Performance GPUs. If i choosed one card for today, I would choose RX580/GTX 1650S.

Any how, AMD has got bad GPU drivers for old CPU such as Intel 4. Gen or lower. My some friends are using RX 570 with Intel. They have got Wattman issues and get unsteady FPS with new drivers.
My country's people love Nvidia, you will get it if you look used GPU prices.

Used Vega 56's price is $180. Well, What is used GTX 1070 price? It is $230. People only buy Nvidia, if i choose AMD, i will sell for low price.
Another example, used GTX 1080 is $300 and new RX 5700 is $340. Most people are brainless because of the fact that they sell their GTX 1080 Ti cheaper for geting RTX cards. WHAT is used GTX 1080 Ti prices in my country? Used GTX 1080 Ti is 360$.

NOT ALWAYS SUPPORT GPU MANUFACTURER BECAUSE YOU ARE CUSTOMER, THEY WANT YOUR MONEY.


RX 5600 XT's price is high. I choose RX 5700 for extra $30 and you get 2GB extra VRAM.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm not going to poetically interpret every comment.
@medi01 said:
5600XT is a cheaper, faster card that consumes less than even legit 2060, let alone crippled down KO.
I think this sentence is fairly straightforward. If he meant efficiency or that he wants his burger medium rare - he should have worded this differently.

Yet as I've demonstrated there're multiple reviews showing the 5600XT using less power than the RTX2060, total system or even GPU power draw. Now I'm not gonna pull your leg beating this dead horse, but when it comes to maximum power draw you do know know that GPU power consumption can vary greatly from card to card even for the same AIB models?

The issue of maximum or avg power draw is next to irrelevant in cases such as these, where the cards are virtually tied under most metrics.

 

[cucker tarlson]

If you are changing regular your GPU, you won't buy RTX 20 series.

I did.sold my 1080ti trio for a new 2070 super trio.cost me zilch.got same performance but a cooler and quieter card,higher max OC (2100 vs 2000) rtx support and two games.

Yet as I've demonstrated there're multiple reviews showing the 5600XT using less power than the RTX2060, total system or even GPU power draw. Now I'm not gonna pull your leg beating this dead horse, but when it comes to maximum power draw you do know know that GPU power consumption can vary greatly from card to card even for the same AIB models?

The issue of maximum or avg power draw is next to irrelevant in cases such as these, where the cards are virtually tied under most metrics.

Lower avg,higher peak,about 5w difference between them.5600xt is slightly more efficient stock,2060 overclocked.
You're splitting hairs.
Navi matched turing on a node down and no rt hardware,it is a small win for amd nevertheless.

 

[R0H1T]

Lower avg,higher peak,about 5w difference between them.5600xt is slightly more efficient stock,2060 overclocked.
You're splitting hairs.
Navi matched turing on a node down and no rt hardware,it is a small win for amd nevertheless.

Nope, AT & many others show even the "OCed" 5600xt is better i.e. lower in total (system) power vs 2060.
I'm not splitting anything, just countering some of the assumptions that you & many others made in this thread remember?

High End Navi 21 TWO x Faster than 5700XT

AMD’s High-End ‘Radeon RX’ Navi 21 GPU Rumors: Twice As Fast as Navi 10, 505mm2 Die Size, Faster GDDR6 Memory Big Navi 2x Faster over RX 5700XT? Hope there's some truth to this one. Perhaps TPU can expand on this interesting news. Not to mention CES2020 is coming soon. And we all probably...

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Now why don't some of claimants tell us how efficient TSMC's 12nm node is? Given that we have no AMD GPU on it & presumably uarch changes & clock speeds don't matter anymore?

Just so you know 5600xt is anywhere between 20~40% more efficient than 5700xt but yes carry on with the rest.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Nope, AT & many others show even the "OCed" 5600xt is better i.e. lower in total (system) power vs 2060.
I'm not splitting anything, just countering some of the assumptions that you & many others made in this thread remember?

High End Navi 21 TWO x Faster than 5700XT

AMD’s High-End ‘Radeon RX’ Navi 21 GPU Rumors: Twice As Fast as Navi 10, 505mm2 Die Size, Faster GDDR6 Memory Big Navi 2x Faster over RX 5700XT? Hope there's some truth to this one. Perhaps TPU can expand on this interesting news. Not to mention CES2020 is coming soon. And we all probably...

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Now why don't some of claimants tell us how efficient TSMC's 12nm node is? Given that we have no AMD GPU on it & presumably uarch changes & clock speeds don't matter anymore?

Efficiency means performance and power draw,2060 gains more with OC than 5600.

And it is splitting hairs.
When 580 drew more power than 1080 people said it doesnt matter.
Now 5600 draws 4w less than 2060 built on a node down and people cant stop talking about it.

 

[R0H1T]

Efficiency means efficiency, don't go around making new definitions for it & how does OC (headroom or potential) come into the picture?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Efficiency means efficiency, don't go around making new definitions for it & how does OC (headroom or potential) come into the picture?

Lol, efficiency is literally performance per watt.
How you can measure OC power draw,OC performance but your brain shorts when you hear per per watt at max OC is frankly quite strange.

 

[Ibotibo01]

I did.sold my 1080ti trio for a new 2070 super trio.cost me zilch.got same performance but a cooler and quieter card,higher max OC (2100 vs 2000) rtx support and two games.

Sell price is important for me. Changing with situation.
If Nvidia release Ampere in 2020, who buy RTX 20 series in Q4 2019/Q1 2020 will get overcharged(related with price) because of the fact that RTX 30 will be strong.

My Expectations,
RTX 3050 6GB= GTX 1660 Ti with RT for $150 / CUDA cores = 1408 / RT cores 44 / 75W
RTX 3050 Ti=RTX 2060 for $220 / CUDA cores = 1536 / RT cores 48 / 90W
RTX 3060 8GB=RTX 2080S for $310 / CUDA cores = 2304 / RT cores 72 / 120W
RTX 3070 12GB=RTX 2080 Ti/Titan for $420 / CUDA cores = 2816 / RT cores 88 / 140W
RTX 3080 12GB= RTX 2080 Ti+%27 for $600 / CUDA cores = 3584 / RT cores 112 / 160W
RTX 3080 Ti 16GB=RTX 2080 Ti+%50 for $900 / CUDA cores = 5120 / RT cores 160 / 200W

I have got RTX 2060 and i am still waiting for RTX 3060/70 because of 7NM.

 

[cucker tarlson]

RTX 3060 8GB=RTX 2080S for $310 / CUDA cores = 2304 / RT cores 72 / 120W

Console GPU will be their reference,9 tflop rdna.
3060 will be 2080 at 350-400
72 rt units for a 2304 cuda GPU is unlikely too unless they go for 4 cuda per SM or something.I expect 48

 

[Ibotibo01]

Console GPU will be their reference,9 tflop rdna.
3060 will be 2080 at 350-400
72 rt units for a 2304 cuda GPU is unlikely too unless they go for 4 cuda per SM or something.I expect 48

Probably, It happens as you said.

 

[R0H1T]

Lol, efficiency is literally performance per watt.
How you can measure OC power draw,OC performance but your brain shorts when you hear per per watt at max OC is frankly quite strange.

Thanks for reminding us, mind repeating why you brought OC or stock up then?

Maybe it wouldn't if you'd frame your responses in a more tangible & legible way.

There you go again, blowing a few caps along the way.

Weren't you & a few others claiming how "inept" or inefficient RTG was in not matching Nvidia at 12nm & how big Navi (RDNA2) would be an unmitigated disaster with its (in)efficiency? What happened to that prediction or how you can't wrap your head around the fact that the most efficient Navi, as of now, is 40% or more efficient than their worst chip with just a few tweaks?

 

[medi01]

You should learn to read, since I never said that 5600 XT was more expensive or slower or has worse power draw.

You should, perhaps, learn to think, because when something is cheaper, faster and consuming less power it shouldn't need further price drops.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Thanks for reminding us, mind repeating why you brought OC or stock up then?

Maybe it wouldn't if you'd frame your responses in a more tangible & legible way.

There you go again, blowing a few caps along the way.

Weren't you & a few others claiming how "inept" or inefficient RTG was in not matching Nvidia at 12nm & how big Navi (RDNA2) would be an unmitigated disaster with its (in)efficiency? What happened to that prediction or how you can't wrap your head around the fact that the most efficient Navi, as of now, is 40% or more efficient than their worst chip with just a few tweaks?

It is what it is,numbers are there.
And why are you referring to my posts as other's posts.
Looks like you need more time to catch up on who said what.

You should, perhaps, learn to think, because when something is cheaper, faster and consuming less power it shouldn't need further price drops.

Once again,no it isn't, numbers are plain to see.
Aib vs aib 2060 is same or faster,and 5600xt is maxed out of the box while 2060 has headroom

Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT Pulse

The cheapest rtx 2060 which is newly released Evga KO is selling at 320 at newegg You can get an EVGA 260 KO at Microcenter for $300 if you live near one or $310 at Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083GH7LXW?ascsubtag=s15741871268966ef9a52439&tag=52439_iceleadscom-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

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I am not voicing any opinion here,for me both are slow,I had a faster card with more vram 3.5 years ago.
I am just doing the math for those who apparently can't.

 

[Xuper]

all of my friends who had top card , they never did OC.I bet If TPU creates a new Poll , Poll will show less than %5 will do OC

 

[cucker tarlson]

all of my friends who had top card , they never did OC.I bet If TPU creates a new Poll , Poll will show less than %5 will do OC

using "your friends" as a reference.
well played sir.

 

[Xuper]

Yeah dream on.you live in your dream world while major of people aren't like you.well it's hard for you to accept truth that people don't do OC.that's why NV/Intel/AMD invested Boost process.buying 2060 because of OC is weak reason.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Yeah dream on.you live in your dream world while major of people aren't like you.well it's hard for you to accept truth that people don't do OC.that's why NV/Intel/AMD invested Boost process.buying 2060 because of OC is weak reason.

I bet those 19 out of 20 friends that don't overclock would be perfectly fine with a bios flash on their new card tho.

buying 2060 in 2020 is weak.
period.
and this card is fater than 5600xt and does rtx medium/high fine

just wait for the damn ampere/rdna2/consoles

 

[kapone32]

all of my friends who had top card , they never did OC.I bet If TPU creates a new Poll , Poll will show less than %5 will do OC

WHile I agree with some of what you are saying my thought process is that if AMD had released this card as intended and reviewers were able to manually show the OC potential (that is now gone) and this card would have sold like hot potatoes. For me what fans of AMD cards are missing is the OC potential that Tahiti spoiled us with.

 

[cucker tarlson]

For me what fans of AMD cards are missing is the OC potential that Tahiti spoiled us with.

let me guess
tahiti is when his friends oc'd ?

 

[Xuper]

I bet those 19 out of 20 friends that don't overclock would be perfectly fine with a bios flash on their new card tho.

let me guess
tahiti is when his friends oc'd ?

Lol ,I am only one with AMD CPU/Card.all of my friends are Intel/NV and they're Noob and Rich.Well this is reality almost 90% people are noob.Reddit/All forums aren't resemble of those people.maybe in 5 or 10 years later will change and people get educated more.

 

[kapone32]

let me guess
thaiti is when his friends oc'd ?

You got me on that one. The only people I know who don't OC their GPU (speaking about my circle) are those who are new to PC Gaming. As that is the free way to get a performance increase.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Lol ,I am only one with AMD CPU/Card.all of my friends are Intel/NV and they're Noob and Rich.Well this is reality almost 90% people are noob.Reddit/All forums aren't resemble of those people.maybe in 5 or 10 years later will change and people get educated more.

yes we are so uneducated for getting faster cards with stable drivers and better feature set.

You got me on that one. The only people I know who don't OC their GPU (speaking about my circle) are those who are new to PC Gaming. As that is the free way to get a performance increase.

I had 7870 ghz,overclocked like a demon.

 

[kapone32]

yes we are so uneducated for getting faster cards with stable drivers and better feature set.


I had 7870 ghz,overclocked like a demon.

Yep I had 2 7950s and was quite pleased with a 1150 MHZ clock from 945 MHZ base. I could do 1200 but did not want to adjust the voltages.