We're not saying that 200W is something unacceptable by definition. We're simply pointing out that the competitor is way better.Performance is decent and 200W power consumption (on cards with record OC) is hardly outlandish.
Quieter than which 1060? This is the same (or almost identical) cooler ASUS used in their GTX1060. It'll have similar noise characteristics.They also come with amazing coolers, ASUS Strix 580 is quieter than 1060. (Sapphire manages to beat both).
According to TPU this Sapphire in it's "quiet mode" is just as loud as ASUS ROG 1060 under load (32 dBA). Keep in mind ASUS has 3 fans.
A 2-fan MSI 1060 Gaming was rated at 28 dBA. That's a huge difference.
We'll see how MSI RX580 Gaming performs. Hopefully TPU will do a test.
It is said that Samsung's FinFET - being designed primarily for mobile devices - is not that great for PC parts.Well, is Samsung's process inferiority a fact?
I've only seen toms review on this (where he compared apple's chip to apple's chip) and Samsung was on par or better.
Ryzen is also on 14nm, as far as I know.
This might be one of the reasons why Ryzen is not great for OC. It's clocked at the optimal point and since there it's very difficult to push it further (very steep temp/clock curve compared to Intel or older AMD).
Guaranteed exclusivity?I wonder why they couldn't use whatever they have created for Microsoft Scropio, with 40CUs (up from 36) and where that thing was supposed to be manufactured, GloFo or TSMC.
It has the same TFLOPs rating as 580, but surely consumes much less.
AMD also makes a very efficient Radeon PRO GPU for MacBooks. It's not available anywhere else.
Don't get this as an insult, but the "general longevity of AMD whatever" is usually an effect of very slow replacement cycle. E.g. many people still use 5-year-old FX CPUs, because they (for whatever reasons - it's not always fanboyism) didn't want to jump to Intel. Now they're suddenly moving to Ryzen.FreeSync, extra 8GB, superior Vulkan/DX12 performance, general longevity of AMD cards.
I see the same argument in Ryzen discussions. Software is "sponsored by Intel".Of course you won't, because this is well known Nvidia's dirty trick. Just to make it clear, AMD also sponsored a few games, but sheer number of Nvidia-sponsored games vastly outnumber AMD-sponsored ones.
Yes, it's everyone else's fault...
DX13 is a distant future. But DX12 has been around for a while and new games are still released based on DX11.DX 13 isn't released yet
Lately AMD announced a cooperation with Bethesda. Prey is used in the Ryzen 5 marketing campaign, but it is a DX11 game, so RX cards won't get any boost.
You might not, but gaming studios do. DX12 is widely criticized by programmers. Maybe we'll see a new, fixed revision (12.1 etc) or maybe they'll jump straight to DX13.I see absolutely no problem with games supporting DX12 and implementing Vulkan as this would vastly boost AMD GPU's performance.
Until that happens most games will use the older libraries.
Another thing is that it's not AMD that's gaining in DX12. It's actually NVIDIA who's loosing, as their drivers are not supporting DX12 very well.
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