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For years Apple Mac users have felt smug that their computers didn’t need any security software installed, unlike their poor Windows counterparts which were always coming down with a cold. This they believed is because their beloved operating system is inherently more secure than leaky old Windows (which it used to be). This smug feeling has been especially strong over the last decade, since the release of Mac OS X in 2001, as it's based on Unix which has always had security baked into it. They therefore felt safe from the multitude of viruses, keyloggers, trojans and various other nasties that the bad guys like to infect operating systems with. However, there have been successful attacks in the past on every Apple Mac operating system since the first one in 1984, just nowhere near the number of attacks as on Windows. Of course, what Windows users, Linux users and other OS users have also been saying for years is that Apple's operating systems simply weren't popular enough to bother with and aren't particularly secure. After all, the hackers do this for fun and financial profit, so why aim for a little teeny tiny target, when you can aim for a big, fat one like Windows?

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"It just works" is the biggest fail of a slogan that a company has had the stupidity to make. "You can't configure me" would be more better.
 
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The information is from Sophos, who relies on fear in order to sell their products. I've yet to see any Mac malware that in the the real word is a threat. You aren't going to trick me into typing in my system password to install your malware. Try again.

In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
 
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It's always just been a case of market share anyway, if macs had windows market share they'd have plenty of viruses.
 
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The information is from Sophos, who relies on fear in order to sell their products. I've yet to see any Mac malware that in the the real word is a threat. You aren't going to trick me into typing in my system password to install your malware. Try again.

In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
Well... many, if not most, of us at TPU that use windows do not fall into that 99%, sorry.

Though qubit could have worded it differently... say for example instead of... "For years Apple Mac users have felt smug that their computers..." He could put "For years many Apple Mac users have felt smug that their computers..."

moose has a fair point.

and pantherx12 as well, If Mac or Linux computers were as widespread as Windows PCs, then there'd probably be just as many hackers, etc, using those systems or attacking those systems.

The more you have, the more likely someone will want some of it (or mess with it in some way)

Regardless, thanks for the info qubit, Mac users should appreciate the heads up. Many Mac users may be used to software simply being safe to use on their OS, so seeing this may at least teach them to have some caution with 3rd party apps and such.
 
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In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
I think you typified the smugness perfectly. :laugh:
 
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The first rule about Apple having viruses, you don't talk about Apple having viruses.
 

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...

In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
if you think of yourself as one of the 'more (technically) skilled' mac users, than perhaps its just lame to compare yourself to the average user of the opposing team. just take the challenge and compete to the 'more (technically) skilled' windows users and see if thats gonna work out... :rolleyes:
otherwise its just a stupid meaningless phrase.

good fight, good night!
 
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In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
Yes, there ARE some Mac users who can make nearly every member of this forum look like technical idiots...but they're extremely rare.
And there ARE Mac users who are much more technically literate and knowledgeable than the average 'just works' Mac user... but they're very uncommon and much smaller in number than PC 'enthusiasts'.
And there ARE Windows PC users who are just as much technical morons as the average Mac users that are made fun of on forums like this... and they're just as common as the uninformed Mac users. Some of them even sign up for membership here and ask silly questions. Just as their Mac counterparts do on Mac forums.

But I'll say this, as the owner of an old Gen 3, Revision 1 Macbook that has gone back to PC and Windows 7:
OS X has its ease of use, dumbed down, pluses, but even with the extra features not normally loaded in a normal OS X install, it lacks the granularity of even Windows, not to mention Linux.
If you're using OS X simply for ease of use and actually doing something productive with it, like coding, or content creation, good for you. But for anything else, really, It's better to use Windows or Linux on a desktop or workstation. Even if you run into the occasional snafu, it's a learning experience and will teach you something about your system and about the Windows OS, even old hoary DOS, that will stand you in good stead in the future. It's the 'what doesn't kill me, makes me stronger' learning mode. This is why Mac users are denigrated.

Really, Macs being targeted for trojans and botnet roundups, it's kinda lame isn't it though?
The cluelessness of the Mac user to actually click on something that installs the thing is what makes it worthwhile to even attempt.
With Windows XP users, it's just a case of an insecure OS and hundreds of millions of OS installs, the probability of corralling a sufficient number of systems for a large botnet is much higher and much easier to do.
That says quite a bit about the perceived and demonstrated knowledge of Mac users, no?
 
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The information is from Sophos, who relies on fear in order to sell their products. I've yet to see any Mac malware that in the the real word is a threat. You aren't going to trick me into typing in my system password to install your malware. Try again.

In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
I can notice the sarcastic tone on qubit's writing but he has a very plausible point.

I can say that I know both Windows and Mac users and even the less tech savvy ask me to install an antivirus on their Windows PCs. On the other hand, most Mac users always reply they don't need antivirus software.
 
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Oh Wow! I can see where this thread is heading!


Back on topic:

Apples, Macs, OSX boxes, or whatever you call 'em, can and do get viruses, not that many out there, but Apple is always plugging vulnerabilities in that O/S, too.

This is just my opinion and, yes, I have used Macs before... And, I, personally, was not impressed.
Apple has the "Deny everything, also, don't mention it and it never happened" attitude.
And, the fan(atic) base follows and drinks the Kool-aid. They will not accept anything, other than, they are the elite, with a Teflon operating system.

It is funny though, even your precious Apple recommends you may want to run an anti-virus program:eek:, see Mac OS X 10.7 Help > Protect your computer from harmful applications

Quote from the page:
Here are some tips to protect your computer from harmful applications.

Never download unlicensed or “pirated” software from the Internet.
Accept only applications you receive from a known and trusted source.
Run an antivirus program if you find any suspicious files or applications, or if you notice any suspicious behavior on your computer.
To reduce the amount of exposure to harmful applications or files, limit the number of administrator accounts you create. Consider creating a user account for your daily work and use the administrator account only when you need to install software or administer accounts.
If you enabled the root user and you don’t currently need it, disable it.
No O/S is 100% virus/trojan/worm/idiot proof, eventually, someone, somewhere, will try to ruin your happiness and try to make of dollar of the situation.

Oh, by the way, I see what you did here Q.:rolleyes:
 
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macs have there uses,i once needed a new boat anchor for my....just kidding,so long as we have "choices" i dont see the problem,ive had a few macs before and mostly they are good machines,if not overpriced and non configurable like windows,but taking sides? your really buying into the left/right paradigm when thinking in that kinda framework,and thats exactly how the market caters too your idealised perceptions,by coercing or encouraging the consumer to "take sides",
personally,i buy out of that,and just go with-whatever makes me happy,regardless of "brand".

as for security flaws,macs have always had them,all computers do,even fones,i may get another mac laptop in the future,for my foto/video editing on the fly etc,i get the best of both then,whats wrong with that?
thanx for article too.
 
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hmm... i have that 1984 mac os emulated on my deskop... its fun to play with from time to time
 
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I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 

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next up apple patents the firewall
 
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Apple Macs? As opposed to PC Macs? Maybe Big Macs? :roll:
 

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Never Liked Macs- too confusing to use, even more confusing to fix

Last Apple Product I enjoyed was the IIE.
 
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I for one would like to see a coalition of Hackers get together and do nothing but harass & infect MAC users....

Just for the LuLzzz...
 
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The information is from Sophos, who relies on fear in order to sell their products. I've yet to see any Mac malware that in the the real word is a threat. You aren't going to trick me into typing in my system password to install your malware. Try again.

In a final note, as an experienced Mac user, I find this "article" insulting. There are quite a few of us longtime Mac users that have more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users out there.
Well to be honest, qubit is right. I have used macs since 1998 and the "Apple community" has changed quite a bit over the years. It went from arrogance to out right ignorance. There are exceptions to all harsh generalizations so timta2 might be an exception despite the wild claim to be possessing "more technical experience than 99% of the Windows PC users". Just how would you quantify your technical experience to be that level? :confused:
 
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In all fairness, Sophos Mac AV is completely free for home use. So the motivation is quite nil except for mindshare. Virus' can hit Mac's, they can hit anything that reads out code. But every Month I service 400+ Mac's, maybe more, for the last 10 years and I have never, ever seen a virus on a Mac unless I put it there. People always say they have one but in the end it is something completely different. But no-one should start a fight with their guard down. Mac users are like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV. Drago is around the corner.
 
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Blasphemers! The Almighty Mac is infallible! The Holy Apple are invincible to such underhanded methods! Such baseless accusations of weakness from heathens does not serve them well, only causing them to solidify the fact that they are infidels! Those liars must burn! Death to the non-believers! Glory to Apple! Hail Steve Jobs! Hail, Apple Triumphant! Hail, Apple Magnificent!
 

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It's always just been a case of market share anyway, if macs had windows market share they'd have plenty of viruses.
yeah basically right, i think its more entertaining that everyone overlooks something this common.

also, the mac OS is based more-so on BSD. of which, i remember a hack fest no so long ago, to which apples os came in last, over windows and linux.
 

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First Mac wasn't released until May of 1984.
Yes, quite. I meant to say "Apple". Thanks for the correction. :toast: Now fixed.