Shogun 2 : total war

[alucasa]

Well, if you know history of sengoku era, it's very fun. It's a dull game otherwise since, yes, you won't know what's going on.
I doubt Total war Shogun 2 is going to be able to match historical accuracy that nobunaga no yabo offers, but it's going to be fun nevertheless.

 

[Easy Rhino]

I doubt Total war Shogun 2 is going to be able to match historical accuracy that nobunaga no yabo offers, but it's going to be fun nevertheless.

that statement does not make any sense. if a game is historically accurate then it is not a game, it is a story where you know the ending. hence history. all total war games are based upon history as far as geography and weapons go when you START the game. but the rest is up to you. you can go in whatever direction you want which makes it fun, not boring history.

 

[alucasa]

that statement does not make any sense. if a game is historically accurate then it is not a game, it is a story where you know the ending. hence history. all total war games are based upon history as far as geography and weapons go when you START the game. but the rest is up to you. you can go in whatever direction you want which makes it fun, not boring history.

By historically accurate, I meant historical events being accurately portrayed given circumstances as well as character interactions based on their historical connections.

And such.

 

[yogurt_21]

the original shogun total war touched on the shimazu thing and it did become very hard to beat them if you waited too long. but the whole fun part was seeing a historically successful warlord taken down by your geisha assasin. "oh look how pretty her hair pins are... I wonder why she keeps them so sharp?"

 

[Easy Rhino]

By historically accurate, I meant historical events being accurately portrayed given circumstances as well as character interactions based on their historical connections.

And such.

well then as i said, every game in the total war series is historically accurate from the start. from there it is up to you to change history. or not. whatever.

 

[alucasa]

well then as i said, every game in the total war series is historically accurate from the start. from there it is up to you to change history. or not. whatever.

True.

Just for an example, in Nobugana no yabo, the Oda clan could never form an alliance with the Takeda and the Uesugi as long as the Oda clan leader was Oda Nobunaga.

That is because Oda Nobunaga was an arch-enemy of Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin.

Once Nobunaga is removed by either passing down clan leadership to his son or killed, then the Oda can form alliance with them. The only way for me to override that hatred was by giving them an Oda daughter.

I am not expecting that kind of thing from Total war Shogun 2.

 

[ShiBDiB]

True.

Just for an example, in Nobugana no yabo, the Oda clan could never form an alliance with the Takeda and the Uesugi as long as the Oda clan leader was Oda Nobunaga.

That is because Oda Nobunaga was an arch-enemy of Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin.

Once Nobunaga is removed by either passing down clan leadership to his son or killed, then the Oda can form alliance with them. The only way for me to override that hatred was by giving them an Oda daughter.

I am not expecting that kind of thing from Total war Shogun 2.

To be honest I'm hoping things like that arent in the game.. over complicates it. Not to say I want a dumbed down game.

 

[alucasa]

To be honest I'm hoping things like that arent in the game.. over complicates it. Not to say I want a dumbed down game.

Yes, I can see from your viewpoint. But personally if I see that happen in any game that deals with sengoku era, I'd growl.

Total war is for the general population, so I don't think they'd make the game like that, either.

 

[ShiBDiB]

[piracy]On other note, the game ISO is available for download. I bought the game on steam but this is a good alternative to the lack of a pre-load for the digital purchasers.[/piracy]

 

[alucasa]

[piracy]On other note, the game ISO is available for download. I bought the game on steam but this is a good alternative to the lack of a pre-load for the digital purchasers.[/piracy]

Up to you.

I buy stuff I play/use/build. In my younger days, I supported such an act... but not anymore. I condemn pirating, but I won't force my view on you.

Each to their own.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Up to you.

I buy stuff I play/use/build. In my younger days, I supported such an act... but not anymore. I condemn pirating, but I won't force my view on you.

Each to their own.

Its not playable, just offers the steam files. So if you dont wanna spend 3 days trying to find a steam server thats not overloaded on tuesday then its an ok option

 

[jonny]

how the hell can u win the battle?????

i lose even on Easy difficulty whatever i do.

its impossible to win a battle.

 

[ShiBDiB]

how the hell can u win the battle?????

i lose even on Easy difficulty whatever i do.

its impossible to win a battle.

the historical battle in the demo is basically set for you to lose...

 

[jonny]

why is that????????????

 

[entropy13]

the historical battle in the demo is basically set for you to lose...

So you're the Western Army in the demo? And you HAVE To lose? Well that sucks, since the Western Army's commanders were just plain full of suck. Some of them even retreated immediately once they saw the enemy army.

 

[ShiBDiB]

why is that????????????

your just stuck in a losing situation. Cause historically im pretty sure the army ur playing as loses

 

[Easy Rhino]

if you prr-ordered on steam do you know if it will be available to download at midnight or what?

 

[entropy13]

your just stuck in a losing situation. Cause historically im pretty sure the army ur playing as loses

It wasn't a losing situation to begin with, historically speaking. It's what the other Western Army commanders did after the enemy army arrived that led to their loss, i.e. the portion of the battle where you would be in control already. And that would be quite weird. So the inevitable would be to lose, since historically they lost. However the cause of the loss was something that would be avoidable in the game, considering that the mistakes made were done after their forces have been deployed already (meaning after you "start" the battle in-game).

 

[jonny]

its impossible to win. i didnt like the game. i just uninstalled the demo. it looked like the enemy had more units than me. so not fair. its very hard and frustrating.

also the framerate would drop severely under heavy units fighting. and i have a Q8400 CPU at 3.40ghz which should be enough for games.

just looking forward for Homefront and Crysis 2.

RTS is not my type.

 

[ShiBDiB]

its impossible to win. i didnt like the game. i just uninstalled the demo. it looked like the enemy had more units than me. so not fair. its very hard and frustrating.

also the framerate would drop severely under heavy units fighting. and i have a Q8400 CPU at 3.40ghz which should be enough for games.

just looking forward for Homefront and Crysis 2.

RTS is not my type.

Wow.. Their is so much fail in this post.. that im just gonna bid u adu and ask you to remain in ur mindless fps games.

if you prr-ordered on steam do you know if it will be available to download at midnight or what?

Not sure, which is why im grabbing the iso thru torrent. So I can atleast install it and play on tuesday rather then spend the day fighting for bandwidth

 

[jonny]

ShiB: what? it is my fault that their deliberately made the game like that?

their game is buggy as hell. you cant even win on easy settings.

this game might be good if you can get to play it for free, but not worth the money.

 

[ShiBDiB]

ShiB: what? it is my fault that their deliberately made the game like that?

their game is buggy as hell. you cant even win on easy settings.

this game might be good if you can get to play it for free, but not worth the money.

you played one battle where you were put in a historically inferior position. And that leads you to say the game is buggy, fail nom nom nom...

Im not replying to you anymore, Ill just say you saw 1/100th of the game in the demo. Total war is about the campaign, where you decide who fights with what and where.

 

[jonny]

ShiB: why would they made it like that that so we lose in the game?

i think there is a conspiracy behind this.

 

[erocker]

ShiB: why would they made it like that that so we lose in the game?

i think there is a conspiracy behind this.

I think you needn't bother posting in this thread anymore. This is your warning.

Everyone else, keep on topic.

 

[Domestic_ginger]

Getting your arrrse handed to you is good. Otherwise it all gets a bit dreary.

Heres a quick guide to win the demo:-

Can get a costly victory on hard but have not managed any better.

The trick seems to be to re-organise your army as soon as you. move everyone onto the 'central' island.

the two katanas on your right use to block the fords on the right.

Move one katana from the centre to support the ashigaru defend the last crossing neaerst your end of the board on the left which you can cover with the three archer units. the left should be secure. The two cav units are needed in the centre.

Move one Ashigaru to intercept the Yari cav. and then surround them with your horses. You should have four (or five?) cav units two archers, one katana and two spears with another two arriving from the left. Your horse can slaughter the matchlocks and attack the katanas in rear once engaged; easy squeezy.

A horde appears in the central island form the left which you should be able to check with a spear wall and attack in the rear with your cav and archers in melee mode (they are not much use for much else without hitting your men); I supose holding the ford would be good but with matchlocks they have the missle advantage. The left should then send over some bowmen; just charge with cav.

Not long after this the white guys get hostile. You need to check them at the fords and try to position the two central archers to help. The Naginatas are a bit good and I'm never certain of this bit as there are too many of them; I find it difficult to get enough troops over there to this side. Again check them and attck in the flanks/rear. Skirmish your archers over the flat line if you want to break up their formations as they persue you.

dunno seems to work fine for me, granted nowhere near rome tw battle ai levels but on par with medieval 2. ( medieval 2 is 2.50$ on steam right now btw)

Unfortunately I never got my ass handed to me by the AI and the diplomatic screen was just annoying that no-one would bow down to my brilliance and would prefer to be annihilated than capitulate to my rule. The multiplayer cookie cutter is hugely frustrating; allways coming up against a falling line.

I'm not as bitter as I sound but after completing one campaign game I never came back for more. i must have sunk over 100hrs into it though.