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Should SATA get updated specs? Example SATA 4.0 @ 36Gbps, 48Gbps or 64Gbps.

Should SATA get updated specs?

  • SATA 4.0 @ 36Gbps.

    Votes: 14 14.4%
  • SATA 4.0 @ 48Gbps.

    Votes: 4 4.1%
  • SATA 4.0 @ 64Gbps.

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • SATA 4.0 @ 72+Gbps.

    Votes: 8 8.2%
  • I like NVMe but also want an updated SATA spec.

    Votes: 37 38.1%
  • No, I'm happy with NVMe.

    Votes: 36 37.1%
  • Other(Please discuss below).

    Votes: 9 9.3%

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Any update would be fine, as SATA3.0 is about 13 years old already.
 
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we would start seeing the cost per Terabyte on nVME come down to similar levels of high end SATA storage with lower power overheads.
In my experience, the cost have been about the same for years.
 

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The idea is to keep the connector the same and backward compatibility intact.
If they could make a PCIe x1 link work over something resembling a regular SATA cable that could be interesting, but anyone who has touched PCIe 4.0 risers knows transmitting those kinds of speeds over a cable is... tricky at best, requiring high quality cabling with very good shielding etc - which is expensive. So either you need expensive, semi-exotic cabling or this tops out at a single lane of PCIe 3.0 (~900MB/s theoretical, ~800 real world?), which isn't much of an improvement over regular SATA. And if you're going PCIe anyhow, why not make it NVMe while you're at it?

This is why m.2 has taken over: motherboard mounting is far simpler, requires no fussy or expensive cables, and SATA is there as a fallback for slower storage if needed. There's no need for controllers, just more CPU/chipset lanes, which faster SATA would need as well. And the vast majority of people don't need that, crucially. m.2 absolutely has its drawbacks, and certainly isn't ideal for those wanting massive capacities (consumer platforms don't have the lanes, after all), but there doesn't seem to be a market for some in-between solution.
Yet people screw up the m.2 mounting...
 
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Yet people screw up the m.2 mounting...
Sure, but there's nothing idiot-proof about the internals of a PC. And it's not like SATA connectors are particularly durable or well engineered either, after all.
 
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Sure, but there's nothing idiot-proof about the internals of a PC. And it's not like SATA connectors are particularly durable or well engineered either, after all.
Yeah, it's pretty much the only internal connector I have managed to snap. Somehow the plastic can get brittle after a few years and if you tug a cable the wrong way, the part sticking out on the drives break. Can't say I'm a huge fan of SATA power connectors either, although Molex power connectors are pretty grim at times too.
That said, not missing IDE either.
M.2 is a bit fiddly and could've been designed a bit more sturdily.
 
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i rather take no SATA Ports and one more M.2 Slot.
 
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SATA is a good standard thats been around Circa 2002/2003, it should have its bandwidth increased or the standard merged into SAS.

Temperature and stealing of pcie slots by m.2 is reason enough to keep SATA.

5800 rig is zippy with 11 on a 250GB MX500 SATA.
Hi,
I'm pretty much the same as above

m.2's are just to hot and most are a pita to get to if you need or want to.

I only have 2-500gb m.2's atm and don't even use them anymore sata's are way easier to deal with and more versatile because I also use 2.5" easy swap bays for. well name is self explanatory come in real handy dual booting and especially with linux.

But would be nice to update spec's past 6g for sure.
 
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If they could make a PCIe x1 link work over something resembling a regular SATA cable that could be interesting, but anyone who has touched PCIe 4.0 risers knows transmitting those kinds of speeds over a cable is... tricky at best, requiring high quality cabling with very good shielding etc - which is expensive. So either you need expensive, semi-exotic cabling or this tops out at a single lane of PCIe 3.0 (~900MB/s theoretical, ~800 real world?), which isn't much of an improvement over regular SATA. And if you're going PCIe anyhow, why not make it NVMe while you're at it?

This is why m.2 has taken over: motherboard mounting is far simpler, requires no fussy or expensive cables, and SATA is there as a fallback for slower storage if needed. There's no need for controllers, just more CPU/chipset lanes, which faster SATA would need as well. And the vast majority of people don't need that, crucially. m.2 absolutely has its drawbacks, and certainly isn't ideal for those wanting massive capacities (consumer platforms don't have the lanes, after all), but there doesn't seem to be a market for some in-between solution.
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Sure, but there's nothing idiot-proof about the internals of a PC. And it's not like SATA connectors are particularly durable or well engineered either, after all.
They are keyed, m.2 most lean the device and not use the stand off correctly.

And SATA connectors use locking tabs.

The idea is to keep the connector the same and backward compatibility intact.
Then again SAS incorporates SATA into its comm bus, just connector is bigger lol
 
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Hi,
Isn't intel killing off intel rapid storage console ?
I never use it but last time I opened it got a message it was being discontinued.
 
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Yeah, it's pretty much the only internal connector I have managed to snap. Somehow the plastic can get brittle after a few years and if you tug a cable the wrong way, the part sticking out on the drives break. Can't say I'm a huge fan of SATA power connectors either, although Molex power connectors are pretty grim at times too.
That said, not missing IDE either.
M.2 is a bit fiddly and could've been designed a bit more sturdily.
Same here. I remember reading somewhere that the insertion cycle rating for SATA connectors is absolutely stupidly low - I can't remember exactly, but I want to say 20? A connector that's within spec if it falls apart after being connected and disconnected 20 times is, IMO, a bad design, no matter if it mostly lasts much longer than that.

They are keyed, m.2 most lean the device and not use the stand off correctly.

And SATA connectors use locking tabs.
And I've seen those locking tabs cause people to rip headers off motherboards, so... yeah. Both those cases sound roughly equivalent to me: no such thing as an idiot proof PC component.
 
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Honestly, I'm not sure there's much point for a new SATA standard with higher bandwidth.

Starting with HDDs, I doubt the multi-actuator thing that Seagate has been working on will make the HDDs a lot faster. Maybe double the speed (so, roughly 500 MB/s), but still well within the limits of 3rd gen SATA.

Regarding SSDs...I don't think it makes sense. NVME does the job fine, better than SATA could.

And if you wanted multiple SSD drives (which could be a use case for the multiple SATA ports that are usually available on almost every board), you're usually better off with an external enclosure/NAS or a M2 PCIE adapter.
 

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SATA12 exists but it flopped so hard not many know of it.
 
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This question seems odd to me, because SATA and NVMe are two completely different things. It makes no sense to compare them. SATA and PCI-E are comparable as they are the physical connectors or AHCI or NVMe are comparable as they are transfer protocols.

That said, I'd be happy with SATA staying at the same speed connection, but using the NVMe protocol instead of AHCI. This should minimize cost, as well as make backwards compatibility simple, while also boosting the random read/write speeds over the SATA connection, which is going to make the biggest difference in real world use. Obviously faster speed and NVMe would be best. However, I'd take same speed with NVMe over faster speed but still AHCI.
 
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Yeah I did. Looks like a lot of theory and no product?
Actually I found products and no useful info beyond theory. Now I'm not sure tho, those at allhd dot com could just be SAS drives with typos.
 
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Actually I found products and no useful info beyond theory. Now I'm not sure tho, those at allhd dot com could just be SAS drives with typos.
I found those same results, though searching for the HDD model numbers gives either SAS 12Gbps or SATA 6Gbps results. This seems 99% like some site making erroneous listings for some reason.
 

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The reality is that SATA as a connector as it stands right now is severely limited. We would need a new connector to accompany a new spec to achieve the kinds of numbers suggested in the poll.
 
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I mean, they could probably eek a little more out of it with good shielding or something. Then you'd just have "SATA4" ready cabling. But I don't know about the specs assumed here. I doubt you'd get past 30gbps frankly.
 
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I see no reason for an updated SATA standard. The current spec is plenty for HDDs, and NVMe handles anything else. m.2 is vastly more practical, and there's u.2 if you need off-board mounting - which is easily adapted from any m.2 slot or PCIe slot. The lack of extra controllers is a boon for efficiency and makes for simpler chipsets and motherboards, and the inherent flexibility and scalability of PCIe is great. Thr only drawback is the increased need for PCIe controllers, but faster SATA would require that as well.
This (link) is also a practical solution for adding more nvme drives.
 
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