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Ok,
basically i know that the q6600 is considered ancient in terms of computing power.
But i just cant seem to justify an i3 or low cost i5 because i simply dont see how they can actually be that much better.
I dont mean the higest value i5's and i7's I mean the run of the mill i dont have much money but lets try to get up to date buy's and spending as little as possible to get more performance..

Any way i have always over clocked computers. just something i always did started off by deliberatly setting the jumpers wrong and hoping the house didnt burn down. untill now where i try and balance the performance to longevity and most importaintly having a stable system that i can game on for 16 hours straight if i so wish..

So here we go..

My Q6600 stable Oc on air.
3.8-3.9Ghz on the cpu is probably possible but not with this ram. and voltage restrictions on this board.
tweaked what i could.
had the ram up to 1000 (its ddr2 800) but had to pump a lot of voltage to it i did not like that.

The long and short of it is what i was comfortable overclocking to with the voltages i would use and the ram would let me was.
Fsb 412
Cpu 3.7
ram 824 mhs

gpu 1150
gddr 1300 (1350 gave some purple artifacts)
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/kwkxx/

this then gave me the following scores..
Ice storm
114107
cloud gate
13295
fire strike
4811
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3016922
With this setup like it is i can get full usage out of my cpu and gpu when gaming with lots of bells and whistles in thief at 1280x1024
low points of 55 fps highs of 100+ avarage about 65 ish id say.

I may try and get it 3.75ghz stable on the cpu and 1001mhz stable on the ram. But the latencys suffer a lot when i go to 1000mhz and i should probably just get 1066 ddr2 ram if i want to push it any futher.

the gpu i am pretty happy with "i dont want artifacts" and at 60c full load the fan sits at about 25-30% so thats always good.
honestly though if i crank it up as far as i could go for a single test with all the fans i have wired up and cooling the whole system down at full thottle
i dont think i would be able to squeeze any more than 5000 from fire strike test.
And i dont see the point in an overclock you cant use every day..

Now what i would like to see is Lower end i5's and i3's or amd apu equivalent that have ran the 3dmark test and the results.
if you have a 7850 or nvidia equivalent, is it a 660?... not sure i would be most interested in those results. valid test preferable no gpu physics


-=EDIT=-

if you want to just see what happened when i tested the q6600 at 3.0 vs a fx-8120 locked at 3.1 with occasional throteling down to 2.8ghz then here it is


ok did all my samples for the q6600..
After trying all my bench software theirs nothing i can do to make the minimum fps better. so that is the cpu as at the same res with lower quality the min fps is the same. maximum goes up and obviously as a result so does the average. thats when using fire strike, and if i cant change the settings on that then i will keep the variables as low as possible by using all quality settings at defaults and only changing resolutions.

i chose to use the 3 valley tests at 1080p.
gpu test 2, physics test, and combined test of 3dmark's fire strike bench.
and ice storm Gpu test 1 and physics test, (3dmark)

fire strike is hard on gpu and cpu usage, valley isnt that bad. and icestorm is gentle.
so thats tough, normal, and easy. in terms of gpu/cpu needs. at the same res and same quality settings. (i think thats about as fair as i can make it removing as many variables as possible)

the q6600 results are in for now 8120 will get the same tests when it gets here..

Valley 1920x1080 (full screen)


min:
18.3 (dx11)
15.1(dx9)
15.0 (opengl)

Max:
73.6(dx11)
76.5(dx9)
58.3 (opengl)

average:
42.6 (dx11)
41.2(dx9)
32.1(opengl)

the 3dmark results are in the form of png image(s) so i will post those here directly. 1920x1080 (full screen)

Fire strike:

IceStorm:


i don't like stupid meaningless scores so its min fps max fps and average..

pretty sure that the resolution + settings is a reasonable place to compare. the 3.0ghz "25% oc" on the q6600 should be something every board and even stock cooling can handle, so its a fair place to set it.
if you want different resolutions chose 1 and i will try and do that before this gets packed up.
and if you want the q6600 maxed out then they are already in my 1st post.

When i add the 8120 it will have the same amount of ram And to be fair i will oc it 25% or to the highest safe setting i think every one can achieve without burning the house down or having a home sounding like a wind farm *which ever setting is lowest*

I made a ridiculously basic html page. i may improve on it if i care to do so, but i really probably wont lol.
here is the web page. (has the valley results in html form in there) http://shambles1980.x10.mx/


Thief 2014 results.

there really is not much i can do with the q6600 clocked at 3.0 and the gpu at stock oc. the game simply cant run at a constant 60fps no matter what settings i change.
Any way the closest i could get to to best graphics balance with acceptable game play "constantly" gave me 60fps dropping as low as 44fps for a short while.

the test was done in the jewelers store early in the game. this handled the low requirements whilst in doors with most lights off (some rooms were left lit for transitional lighting)
and also a quick burst out side in to the rain and lightning where 3 guards find me and start chasing around increasing the action.
This resulted in the drops of 44fps during the high action outside run but only for a second or 2 when running down the open length of the outside alley.

Defiantly more than playable and if i did not have afterburner running to tell me the fps then i doubt i would have noticed..
tried all kinds of settings and resolutions what i ended up settling for as the best all round compromise was:

Full screen: on
Exclusive full screen: on
v-synk: double buffer
res: 1280x720
Refresh rate 60hz

field of view: 90
texture: Normal
4x AA
shadow quality: normal
parallax occlusion mapping: off
ssaa: off
fxaa: off
Contact hardening shadows: off
tessellation: off

the frames of the bench results were.
15.1Minimum and
63.9 max
average of aproximatley 33
(i have to approximate the average by watching msi after burner as the delay start reports min fps as 0. but they are really 15.) the bench reports average as 29.8

(same settings at 1080p gave max frames of 44.8 in the bench test btw.)

That completes all the tests for the q6600. the low drops in game of 44 IMO are cpu bottling as i cant get them higher than that with editing settings. but i was able to get the average speeds to stay higher with the settings i chose. a higer resolution gives me more drops in to the 50's which is then the gpu.
these settings work the best for the gpu. but at the 3.0 ghz of the cpu the lowest frames will never be higer.
this is also further proven by higher low fps points when running at 3.6ghz.

so now I'm off to use one of my core 2 duo systems whilst i wait for my new board to arrive.

the next update will be the 8120 results.

ok so thief bench test. same as before with the settings. the 8120 did a little better but not really enough to warrant much fan fare.
as usuall the game reports min fps as 0 because of delayed start but msi after burner repoted it as 14.5 (.6 slower than the q6600)
but through out the test the 8120 was able to be consistantly higer and ended up with 63.5 max (lower than the q6600)
and aproximatley 36 avarage (which is quite a bit better) given the lower max frames (but same 0 frames reported) to achieve this the 8120 had to be more consistant or with less low drops during the test.
the actual avarage reported by the bench was 33.9 (4.1fps better than then q6600 achived with higer max frames)

so it looks prety good for the 8120 so far for being more consistant..

the actuall game..
again it was reasonably close. with the 8120 being slighjtly more consistant at staying in the 60fps requested of it. but it too suffered some drops mostly in to the 50's but 1ce diped down to 41.5 (slightly lower than the q6600s lowest point) i must stress however that this was for one small second once, where as i could repeat the 44fps drop with the q6600 every time i ran down the open length of the court yard. the 8120 only did it once and managed to stay at 60.1 fps when i ran down the same path again a few times (possibly throtteling due to the vrm)

The only conclusion i can take from this is that with this board and cpu you would notice no reall difference gaming at the settings using this cpu at stock vs a over clocked q6600 at 3.0
Again i need to stress that this is a slighjtly unfair test due to the fact that this board is 3+1 and will occasionally throttle the cpu to 2.8 when under load.

on to the synthetic tests.
valley bench

min:
15.1 (dx11)
15.4(dx9)
14.6 (opengl)

Max:
74.1(dx11)
78.1(dx9)
66.1 (opengl)

average:
41.6 (dx11)
40.3(dx9)
32.5(opengl)

from here we again see that these 2 processors are again very close provided the q6600 is over clocked to 3.0. and the fx-8120 is locked to 3.1ghz and gets throttled down due to stupid 3+1 power phase.
(how often it gets throttled to 2.8 however i dont know. but if we assume it never does. and was always running at 3.1 with turbo mode off. then the 8120 is atleast on par with a q6600)
As i said earlier this test is very biast in favour of the q6600 due to the stupid 3+1 power phase board which I will be replacing..

any way 3d mark.

here the 8120 seems to do prety much exactly the same as the q6600 in the gpu test. which would imply that the gpu is the limiting factor in this test.
Suprizingly (atleast to me) the 8120 actually performs the physics tests better than the q6600 even when hindered.
and in the combined test its a more even playing feild but the 8120 at 3.1 seems to be able to keep the frames at a more consitsnat rate compared to the q6600..


the q6600 performs quite a bit better here in terms of actuall raw numbers but the graph seems to show the 8120 is more consistant even when hindered..
but in the physics test the 3.0 q6600 is outright better than the 8120 at 3.1..
Which is strange as in the previous physics test it was the other way arround. (again this could be due to throtteling)


so.. wit this set up and the 8120 Locked at 3.1ghz with occasional throtteling down to 2.8ghz "due to stupid mother board" and being unable to utilize built in features such as turbo mode.
the 8120 and 25% oc q6600 seem to be about even...

this is actually a better result for the 8120 than i expected when i found out i was stuck with a 3+1 phase board and it throttled down under load.
If the 8120 had been allowed to use its turbo mode then the q6600 would not have kept up at 3.0 but at 3.6.. I think it probably would have.

so in the end.. i have to say that a stock 8120 would be better than a 25% oc'd q6600. because it would be able to use its turbo mode and hit 4ghz.
unfortunatly i cannot test that out untill i get atleast a 6+2 board.

but these cpu's running at very similar clock speeds are really close in terms of power per mhz. I would have to say the q6600 has slightly better performance for its mhz, but the 8120 on the right board can surpass the q6600 in terms of over clocking.
and if we are looking at stock cooling all round with the correct boards for each cpu then the 8120 would be the winner simply due to the higher clock speeds.

Is it an upgrade?
Well if you did like me and simply swapped your q6600 for the 8120 then yes i guess it is..
if you would need to pay more for the 8120 setup than you could get for your Q6600.. Then probably not Unless you cannot over clock your q6600

hope to get the new board soon and update this with more valid results..
 
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You are playing 1280x1024! You should be able to run everything at that resolution. At 1920x1080 or higher you would have slow down.

What is your 3dmark11 physics score?
 
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As long as you can still play modern games, then nothing to worry about.
 

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An i5 or better will probably outperform your Q6600 but whether or not it makes a difference on your experience depends on the game. Do you feel you need more performance? That's really the question you should ask yourself when it comes to upgrading because if you don't need it, it's a waste.
You are playing 1280x1024! You should be able to run everything at that resolution. At 1920x1080 or higher you would have slow down.

What is your 3dmark11 physics score?
Benchmarks have shown that higher resolutions are less CPU dependent than lower resoltutions. CPU becomes a bottleneck generally as the framerate gets higher and lower resolutions puts less stress on the GPU and more on the CPU because the GPU is getting stuff done faster at lower resolutions.
 

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Does it do what you want it to?

Honestly people were playing 1080p games back in the Q6600 day and its still the standard, regardless of what 4k elitists will tell you i-finity and multi monitor gaming setups still dont have nearly the market saturation people claim it does.

I used to be into the whole crazy OC water cooling 2 PSUs down to fan RPM BS then i realized I wanted to pay off my house and in the end I got to say i beat the score of 17yr/o in 3dmark it wasnt worth the money any more and honestly the PC did everything I wanted it to.

I can sit here and tell you to get a 3.6ghz I7 8 core machine with 32gb of ram and SLI titans but it wont do shit for you if all you do is log into AOL desktop 9.7
 
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i can quite happily game at 1024x768 provided it is smooth. 1280x1024 is perfectly adequate for me. although i wouldnt mind being able to put absolutley everything on full at those resolutions click v-synk and never drop below 60fps.

I also like to over clock always have done. just having kids (one is a teen the other will be 3 in december) kind of makes money tight lol. so im stuck with my old cpu. I cant see it surviving another gpu upgrade to be honest. right now its as ballanced as i can make it be, with full usage of gpu and cpu available. i dont go in for console gaming. only ever liked forza really. i have much more pleasure from my computer..

any way. in regards to my 3dmark 11 physics score..
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8304206
Physics Score
3916
Combined Score
3780

not really that fussed about physics scores really. the chances of a game coming allong and needing that much of the cpu for physics is pretty slim. even so there they are.
I am much more interested in the fire strike results of the new 3d mark.

as for do i think i need more performace.. yes i do.. Can i affoard what i want? no not really..
so thats what im trying to find out. what low cost i3 or i5 MAY be viable to me as an upgrade. would need a board ram and cpu and money constraints mean that i simply look at the things and compare the numbers and read reviews and forums. and i think well ok but to get better performance "in the real world" that i would consider an upgrade. im looking at spending a lot of money..

What i do see a lot is people saying The q6600 will bottle neck a hd 6950 or hd 7770 but really it wont. Not unless the game needs a better cpu that is. because i can run my GPU and CPU at stress tests at the same time and get them both to 100%
But im pretty sure im at about the limit of the cpu's ability. and its just not quite where i want to be.
I dont need the best of the best. But i would like to see that my oppinion of the LGA 775 being the greatest socket that was ever created, and the Q6600 being the best processor intel ever made is now obsoleet and its time to move on.
the only problem with that is the old performance to money equasions. and i have this much performance now (outlined above) which is "free" so to get exactly the same performance. the replacment needs to be "free" too or its a waste of money.. so i need to take that theory and apply it to similar results and then weigh up the costs and gains and decide which to get or just stay the same for now..
 
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OK well I don't know how much this will help but I moved from a Q8400 to an i3-3220 in one of my 'spare' rigs that friends use for games when they come over. I found that the machine seemed a lot more snappy and responsive and also much, much cooler. I think the upgraded RAM also helped out with that. Gaming performance seemed to improve but I can't really say how much because I also upgraded the gpu at the same time to a 7850 1gb (coming from a 5770). That being said you can't really overclock an i3 so yeh....

Maybe you could look at a second hand 2500k or 3570k?
 
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OK well I don't know how much this will help but I moved from a Q8400 to an i3-3220 in one of my 'spare' rigs that friends use for games when they come over. I found that the machine seemed a lot more snappy and responsive and also much, much cooler. I think the upgraded RAM also helped out with that. Gaming performance seemed to improve but I can't really say how much because I also upgraded the gpu at the same time to a 7850 1gb (coming from a 5770). That being said you can't really overclock an i3 so yeh....

Maybe you could look at a second hand 2500k or 3570k?
if you find the time to download the new 3d mark and post the results that would be very usefull those specs are very close to mine. and i also think bus speeds would play a bigger part than the raw numbers imply
 
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i have the same, gonna upgrade very soon, getting jealous of fast machines lol
 
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just... ignore everything 3dmark, period!

do you encode videos or render in after effects or 3d tools? if yes, you'll notice any cpu boost

for games, you need specifically demanding (or unoptimized) ones, so battlefields, large open worlds, MMOs, etc

one thing to consider is all those things that use only 1 thread or just a couple, in this case you want faster per core performance, although it's great that you overclocked

you could also merely look at your cpu & gpu usage during various workloads & decide if you need a boost or not
 
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Now what i would like to see is Lower end i5's and i3's or amd apu equivalent that have ran the 3dmark test and the results.
if you have a 7850 or nvidia equivalent, is it a 660?... not sure i would be most interested in those results. valid test preferable no gpu physics
any way. in regards to my 3dmark 11 physics score..
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8304206
P6092 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600
Graphics Score
7547
Physics Score
3916
Combined Score
3780
Only reason I mentioned 3dmark11 is here are some comparisons, this doesn't show your q6600 as being no good, it rather shows it as still very relevant:

(2010 era) Phenom II 965BE @ 4.0 ghz with 7850 at 24/7 1,180 MHz core 1,480 MHz mem
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5304049
P6129 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and AMD Phenom II X4 965
Graphics Score
6792
Physics Score
4810
Combined Score
4645

(2011 era) i5-2550k at 3.1 deliberately underclocked, with ram at 1333, stock 7850 (this should simulate a lower end i5 as you had wanted this comparison):
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8305675
P6047 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
6073
Physics Score
5959
Combined Score
5993

(2011 era) stock i5 2550k stock ram stock 7850
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8305547
P6207 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
6071
Physics Score
6722
Combined Score
6560

i5 2550k @ 4.4 with 7850 stock
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7980370
P6407 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
6054
Physics Score
8560
Combined Score
6817

i5 2550k at 4.8 with 7850 at stock
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8305614
P6459 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
6056
Physics Score
9165
Combined Score
6845

i5 2550k at 4.8 with 7850 at 1050 core (Catalyst CC simple overclock)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8305634
P7445 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
7140
Physics Score
9138
Combined Score
7778

i5 2550k at 4.4 with 7850 at 1100 core (custom bios, the card was not as stable with bios overclocking instead of driver oc.)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7227143
P7599 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i5-2550K Processor
Graphics Score
7389
Physics Score
8550
Combined Score
7973

(2012 era) i7 3770k at 4.5 with 7850 stock
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7916796
P6452 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i7-3770K Processor
Graphics Score
5935
Physics Score
10906
Combined Score
6731

i7 3770k at 4.5 with 7850 at 1050 core oc
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7728675
P7456 with AMD Radeon HD 7850(1x) and Intel Core i7-3770K Processor
Graphics Score
6980
Physics Score
10986
Combined Score
7692


edit: added stock 2550k/7850 system run and your system to above for easy comparison!
edit2: added a deliberately underclocked 2550k at 3.1 and ram at 1333 to simulate low end i5
 
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Its very simple: when you cannot stand your current computer, you upgrade! No need to get anyone to convince you to upgrade, you will know when you have to upgrade :D
 

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Its very simple: when you cannot stand your current computer, you upgrade! No need to get anyone to convince you to upgrade, you will know when you have to upgrade :D
The term, "if it aint broke, fix it until it is" comes to mind. Q6600 is still a ballin' chip.
 
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My sis uses one for video production and it's passable. She uses an older version of adobe premiere though.
 
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The term, "if it aint broke, fix it until it is" comes to mind. Q6600 is still a ballin' chip.
IMO, FPS Games that are graphically intense but not cpu intense won't care much if you run a q6600 or phenom II, but strategy games like SC2 would be very different. If OP is happy with it, keep using it. I liked my Phenom II a lot. The Intel 1155 stuff is noticeably faster for everything though, both gaming and general windows use.

My friend now has my Phenom II + AsRock 970 Extreme 3 and a 5870, it is very capable. Other than its inability to run ram over 1333 stock, it competes with AMD's current line up.

edit:

doing one final run with i5 stuck at 3.1 and ram at 1333 to simulate a low end i5 2400.
 
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My sis uses one for video production and it's passable. She uses an older version of adobe premiere though.
yep, if you buy or build pc just find what your needs, and many people still happy with their old pc.
 

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i went from a Q6600 -> E8400 -> Xeon E3120 -> 1090T x6 -> i5


every single step of the way i saw a noticeable performance increase, and i overclocked every last one.

your CPU is enough to run modern games, but performance is far from what it could be...


3dmark doesnt tell you how real games perform. my 1090T to this CPU gave me a 30-40% FPS boost, for 50% less power used.
 

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My main rig is a q6600 and it performs very nicely for all of my needs. I play Total War Shogun and Company of Heroes on high settings at 1080p and it runs flawlessly. I am not even thinking about upgrading for another year.
 

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My main rig is a q6600 and it performs very nicely for all of my needs. I play Total War Shogun and Company of Heroes on high settings at 1080p and it runs flawlessly. I am not even thinking about upgrading for another year.
remind me to play that with you for two reasons.


1. i love that game

2. i want to point out every time you lag :D
 
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I'm still using an E8600 (Core2 Duo Wolfdale). I've got it at 4.3Ghz, it played Crysis with a 5870 at 1920x1200 comfortably. There are other games much more CPU bound.
 

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remind me to play that with you for two reasons.


1. i love that game

2. i want to point out every time you lag :D
Which game?
 
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As long as it can run minesweeper , minecraft ect your good to go with that res......
 
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Man your best choice is an i5, I had one 2500 non K (that's a second gen) and it was excellent dude running with a PNY GTX 280, played so many games with it including metro 2033 back in 2011 at max settings 1280x720 and ran flawlessly.
 

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company of heroes, sorry.


I also just built up an E6600 system with a 9600GT out of my spare parts thanks to this thread reminding me i had it, should run a benchmark or two...
 

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...

3dmark doesnt tell you how real games perform. my 1090T to this CPU gave me a 30-40% FPS boost, for 50% less power used.
That and degrading performance at my preferred levels and resolutions would necessitate an upgrade. That or what's happened the last couple of times since my Q9650 and i5-760 builds was selling my rigs because I have friends that always want my rigs. It gives me an easy out to upgrading...hence the haswell build.

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