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Teaser Trailer! :D

The car shall be revealed on the 4th of July at 15.00h at the Eindhoven University of Technology.

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I updated the OP with a first pic of the vehicle!
 

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looks very un airodynamic :p
but i guess wont matter at low speeds.
 

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So its a colossal roof with wheels that will work best in the sahara dessert at 30mph and the battery will degrade after 3 years and cost thousands to replace. Also solar panels = expensive.
 
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Oh, and you have to be a midget to drive it, or lay down and not see where you're going.

Honestly, I p*ssed myself when I saw this.
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It is not a production vehicle. It will take a few years (and further development) until solar EVs will be fit for mass production.

Edit: what did you suspect in the short term?
 
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It is not a production vehicle. It will take a few years (and further development) until solar EVs will be fit for mass production.

Edit: what did you suspect in the short term?
A lightweight car with a basic carbon fibre chassis and a solar panel roof. Something that looks more like a car and less like a hash brown :laugh:
 
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I bet there are reasons for the shape being like that. And it is already containing of carbon fibre and other high tech materials.
And oh, your latest reaction is step in the right direction, speaking in terms of politeness (except the hash brown comment, there is actually science behind it so leave your lousy "drugheads" comments out of this thanks).
 

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I bet there are reasons for the shape being like that. And it is already containing of carbon fibre and other high tech materials.
And oh, your latest reaction is step in the right direction, speaking in terms of politeness (except the hash brown comment, there is actually science behind it so leave your lousy "drugheads" comments out of this thanks).
Hashbrown is a food made of potatoe and onion stuck together in a flat square shape and fried. They are delicious, and nothing to do with drugs. I was referring to the shape :D


EDIT: I wasnt making insulting comments to be nasty, just for a bit of fun :)

Will the car drive infinitely? As in, does it absorb enough solar energy to meet the demands of turning the wheels at an equal rate? That could be quite a feat.
 
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Hashbrown is a food made of potatoe and onion stuck together in a flat square shape and fried. They are delicious, and nothing to do with drugs. I was referring to the shape :D
http://www.mcdonalds.com/content/dam/McDonalds/item/mcdonalds-Hash-Brown.png

EDIT: I wasnt making insulting comments to be nasty, just for a bit of fun :)

Will the car drive infinitely? As in, does it absorb enough solar energy to meet the demands of turning the wheels at an equal rate? That could be quite a feat.





They are actually pretty good after a good wake and bake. Nothing like going to McDonalds and getting a bacon and egg combo with a cup of coffee and four extra hash browns on the side.


As for the car, that would be pretty fun to drive!
 
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Hashbrown is a food made of potatoe and onion stuck together in a flat square shape and fried. They are delicious, and nothing to do with drugs. I was referring to the shape :D
http://www.mcdonalds.com/content/dam/McDonalds/item/mcdonalds-Hash-Brown.png

EDIT: I wasnt making insulting comments to be nasty, just for a bit of fun :)

Will the car drive infinitely? As in, does it absorb enough solar energy to meet the demands of turning the wheels at an equal rate? That could be quite a feat.
Okay, but look at this Urban Dictionary page. Together with comments like "I pissed myself" did not make it highly likely that you were meaning things innocently. I know you do now, but still.

The car is supposed to generate more energy than it uses (in a best case scenario), and can actually add power to the grid when it is plugged in at home or at an EV charge point. There is a battery in the vehicle of course so it has some reserve.
 

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solar powered EVs will never hit the consumer market. its better money to invest in creating better batteries, and just solar "fuel stations" that have a large solar panel area, and you can hook up EVs to it.

ofcourse solar panels, can be used to suppliment the battery juice, but something purely based on solar power is too much wastage of money.

plus hydrogen is the way to go.

create electrochemal cells thta generate hydrogen from water along costal regions. make them runn of tidal, wind and solar energy, ship hydrogen anywhere. profit.
 
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solar powered EVs will never hit the consumer market. its better money to invest in creating better batteries, and just solar "fuel stations" that have a large solar panel area, and you can hook up EVs to it.
That would lower the range of those vehicles too much.

ofcourse solar panels, can be used to suppliment the battery juice, but something purely based on solar power is too much wastage of money.
It is not purely based on solar power, recharging the battery thru mains power is a possibillity. About the panels being too costly, it is a work in progress: http://www.isgtw.org/feature/here-c...mmunity-grid-light-way-affordable-solar-cells

plus hydrogen is the way to go.
Give arguments to support your statements please. Why is it "the way to go" considering the fact that H2 is quite explosive; is a gas and therefore hard to contain (you will loose capacity over time due to "leakage" of molecules through the skin of the tank); and last but not least, parking garages are a no-go are for LPG based cars, so why would H2 based cars be allowed to enter parking garages?


And read this please (from wikipedia.org/Fuel_cell_vehicle):

Efficiency and cost

Advancements in fuel cell technology have reduced the size, weight and cost of fuel cell electric vehicles.[16] However, in 2013, Lux Research, Inc. issued a report that concluded that "Capital cost ... will limit adoption to a mere 5.9 GW" by 2030, providing "a nearly insurmountable barrier to adoption, except in niche applications". Lux's analysis concluded that by 2030, PEM stationary market will reach $1 billion, while the vehicle market, including forklifts, will reach a total of $2 billion.[17] Fuel cell electric vehicles have been produced with "a driving range of more than 250 miles between refueling".[18] They can be refueled in less than 5 minutes.[19] Deployed fuel cell buses have a 40% higher fuel economy than diesel buses.[16] EERE’s Fuel Cell Technologies Program claims that, as of 2011, fuel cells achieved a 42 to 53% fuel cell electric vehicle efficiency at full power,[16] and a durability of over 75,000 miles with less than 10% voltage degradation, double that achieved in 2006.[18]

Professor Jeremy P. Meyers, in the Electrochemical Society journal Interface in 2008, wrote, "While fuel cells are efficient relative to combustion engines, they are not as efficient as batteries, due primarily to the inefficiency of the oxygen reduction reaction. ... [T]hey make the most sense for operation disconnected from the grid, or when fuel can be provided continuously. For applications that require frequent and relatively rapid start-ups ... where zero emissions are a requirement, as in enclosed spaces such as warehouses, and where hydrogen is considered an acceptable reactant, a [PEM fuel cell] is becoming an increasingly attractive choice [if exchanging batteries is inconvenient]".[20] In 2010, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) estimated that the cost of automobile fuel cells had fallen 80% since 2002 and that such fuel cells could potentially be manufactured for $51/kW, assuming high-volume manufacturing cost savings.[18] The practical cost of fuel cells for cars will remain high, however, until production volumes incorporate economies of scale and a well-developed supply chain. Until then, costs are roughly one order of magnitude higher than DOE targets.[20]

In a Well-to-Wheels analysis, the DOE estimated that fuel cell electric vehicles using hydrogen produced from natural gas would result in emissions of approximately 55% of the CO2 per mile of internal combustion engine vehicles and have approximately 25% less emissions than hybrid vehicles.[21] Richard Gilbert, co-author of Transport Revolutions: Moving People and Freight without Oil (2010),[22] comments that producing hydrogen gas ends up using some of the energy it creates. Then, energy is taken up by converting the hydrogen back into electricity within fuel cells. "'This means that only a quarter of the initially available energy reaches the electric motor' ... Such losses in conversion don't stack up well against, for instance, recharging an electric vehicle (EV) like the Nissan Leaf or Chevy Volt from a wall socket".[23] Other analyses conclude, moreover, that numerous challenges remain before fuel cell cars can become competitive with other technologies. They cite the lack of an extensive hydrogen infrastructure in the U.S. and stating: "the large amount of energy required to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds (water, natural gas, biomass), package the light gas by compression or liquefaction, transfer the energy carrier to the user, plus the energy lost when it is converted to useful electricity with fuel cells, leaves around 25% for practical use."
 
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Hydrogen is silly, it requires a huge use of electricity to get the hydrogen from water.
Its better to use wind, solar and friction to generate energy, as they are more cost effective over sustained periods of time, aka, a genuine solution to renewable energy.
Ideally a car should have a roof made of solar panels, dynamos attached to the wheel arches to recycle some of the energy used to turn the wheel, and wind turbines within the front and rear grills for air intakes, so the air resistance can then be used to generate energy too.
The idea of the car is amazing. Sadly its ugly as sin and not overly fast.
Until somebody can make a car similar to the tesla sports car, 90% of the general public will say it looks too stupid for them to drive it around in public. It needs to look like a generic car, but perform like the car they've developed here.
 

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Only problem is that such cars will only work in California, Florida, Australia and so on. Places which are mostly flat and have sun through most of the year. Here in Europe which is scattered with hills, tunnels and quite long winters, it just wouldn't work.
ahem, we have hills too.


hydrogen fuel cells are in fact fantastic - just because our production methods at the moment are inefficient, doesnt mean their use should be forgotten about. its a field that needs a lot more R&D. petrol is explosive. LPG is explosive. my car runs safely on both.
 
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It needs to look like a generic car, but perform like the car they've developed here.
Like Schulich Delta, the car by Calgary University?

 

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ahem. ever seen petrol explode? or catch fire?
plus hydrogen floats up in case of a leak, thus it will be a fireball in the sky.

petrol is worse. also, there are fuel cell cars already.
 
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Testing @ a test track of DAF Trucks:

 
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Another video; about the street legality checks and some more testing, in this case on the facilities of the 13th mechanised brigade (Dutch Army).

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#50
Rotational view on the car: http://www.orbitvu.co/001/deh3arvUaqbTXaueuL5ToF/ov3601/2/view

Edit: And more pics!

Board electronics is in the baggage space, lol.




Front cover removed, showing what seems to be the battery pack.




More electronics in the front.




Interior.




Proof that the car is reasonably comfortable for normal sized people.