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Long story short. Im working on a guys PC that wouldn't start. It was an easy fix because the motherboard had become earthed with the chassis.

However since i was working on his PC anyway I decided to check for a bios update for his motherboard which is a Gigabyte GA-Z87 HD3 -- Yes it is a trash motherboard but i didnt build his machine.

I downloaded the F8 bios from Gigabytes website and the update went perfectly fine but when the PC restarted I found that if there was anything hard drives or optical drives plugged into the motherboard, the PC wouldnt POST.

Ive tried to flash it back to the previous bios but the bios wouldnt let me and demands that i flash an uptodate bios. Ive tried following this Z170 guide in the hopes that it would be able to force flash back to the previous bios but that method isnt supported....

So im stuck with a 'working' PC that might as well be dead because I cant get it to post and when i do, i cant get into windows because the motherboard wont post with any sata drives plugged in...

Ive tried toying around with the sata settings in the bios but nothing i do gets it working. Ive googled the issue and found out that others have had similar problems and the only thing they could do was either RMA or buy an identical board and do a 1:1 swap. a pre-owned board is available on ebay but the price is too high to even worth considering for such a poopie motherboard....


I need a someone to edit the date contained inside the older F7 bios to be newer than the F8 bios... Im not sure if there needs to be any signed signatures but this isnt my forte so im requesting help with it.

Im aware that there are a few folks around these parts that do this sort of thing... namely @R-T-B who is most awesome at this stuff! :toast::toast:

If you leave me your paypal, your 15mins spent editing the bios file will be paid for with a beer or two. :toast::toast:

This guy trusts me enough to work on his PC so i dont want to turn around and say that i f**ked it up doing something perfectly normal.:cry::cry:


Thanks.

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have you tried booting on the backup bios? lonk
 

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Yeah that board has a dual bios switch over.

I've never had a motherboard firmware go to shit on me, but I always try to buy one with a back up bios for this exact reason

i think its here. but it might be switched either physically ,or via UEFI
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have you tried booting on the backup bios? lonk
Tried the first two methods... No love. I dont have a wire to short out the bios atm.

Either im already on the back up bios or I have no idea. Im just going to have to wait for someone to mod the bios for me.
 
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While that board may have been trashed when it was shorted out, it didn't start out as a trash board. In fact, it is a pretty nice one for the money.

While most of the time a board that is shorted to the chassis suffers no permanent damage and works fine once the short is removed, a short creates excessive current through the circuit shorted. And excessive current can, indeed, cause permanent damage.
 

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I dont know what happened but it looks like i am on the back up bios or the update flashed both bios chips or borked one because i found out that the other bios chip comes up as an 8mb drive but when i OK it to flash from that drive the bios says 'No drive found'

I genuinely think gigabyte really borked this bios up real hard. There is no way around this unless someone edits the bios release date for me.
 
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I genuinely think gigabyte really borked this bios up real hard.
No. That makes no sense. If that were the case, it would affect all those boards - as in 1000s and 1000s of them. And note that F8 version BIOS is dated 2014/08/13. Gigabyte is a reputable board maker. If the BIOS was bad, they would have pulled and released a new version years ago.

Why did you decide to update the BIOS anyway? Typically, you should never update the BIOS unless it is needed to add support for new CPUs or RAM that came out since the last update, or it specifically addresses a problem you are having. And why? Because updating a BIOS is always a risky procedure - no matter how routine it has become. I note Gigabyte clearly states in the manual for that board (highlighted by a big yellow and red exclamation sign) and with a similar "Warning" on the download page,
Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, if you do not encounter problems using the current version of BIOS,
it is recommended that you not flash the BIOS. To flash the BIOS, do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing
may result in system malfunction.
In other words, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

Gigabyte is actually my preferred brand of board (ASUS is next) and I personally have flashed 100s of different boards from all sorts of makers. I have had only one update brick a board and that was 20 years ago when the power went out right in the middle of the flash (I have always powered via a good UPS with AVR since then!).

Not sure editing the date will work because I suspect it will result in a checksum error.

What method did you use to update the BIOS? Did you try Q-Flash?

How was the board shorted to the chassis? Typically, that is done during assembly by inserting extra stand-offs under the board, or being careless with a loose screw that gets trapped under the board, or through a failed power supply. I think the board was damaged from the short. And flashing the BIOS with a damaged board compounded the problem. And sadly, a damaged board can take out anything connected to the board - such as the CPU and RAM, as examples. :(
 

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No. That makes no sense. If that were the case, it would affect all those boards - as in 1000s and 1000s of them. And note that F8 version BIOS is dated 2014/08/13. Gigabyte is a reputable board maker. If the BIOS was bad, they would have pulled and released a new version years ago.
Yeah. Remember that time when Gigabyte sold graphics cards that were 'locked in' 2D clock mode or had no 3D clocks?? -- No way, that couldnt of been Gigabytes fault despite it happening with Gigabyte cards. Oh but Gigabyte is a reputable GPU partner... Yeah... And they denied the whole clocks issue till more and more people started popping up with the same issue.

I dont want you in my thread, you are adding nothing to it and you dont know how to edit the bios in question.


If you google the board model and 'F8 bios freeze' then you will see multiple threads pop up with the same issue. The board is so old that its not worth Gigabytes time making a fix for it. The board isnt listed on any official retail site apart from ebay but those are pre-owned and not brand new.




so with utmost politeness and respect to you.... Please stay out of my thread. Im asking for help. Not fanboyism
 
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Yeah. Already found that thanks. but i dont know what im looking at so waiting for someone with more experience on such matters to chime in.
Me neither lol. Last time I corrupted a BIOS, it was my MSI Z97 U3. Followed all the instructions to a T. Finally bought a Flashcat unit and flashed the BIOS chip myself.
 
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im not a professinal at this but ill take a look.

if you had an spi flasher you could just flash any bios onto the board from gigabytes website. it will also come in hand latter down the road when something like this happens. Everybody who does computer work should have one.
 
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What does that graphics card have to do with this?

When you find the perfect manufacturer, one that has never made a mistake, let us know. In the meantime, stop trying to blame Gigabyte for a grounding mistake you or "a guy" made. This is not Gigabyte's fault! By your own admission, this computer would not start before you flashed.
If you google the board model and 'F8 bios freeze' then you will see multiple threads pop up with the same issue.
Okay.

GA-Z87-HD3 F8 BIOS freeze Yup. 1000s of them. :rolleyes:

As far as not adding to the thread, sorry you don't like what was said. But I did ask some valid questions like,
Why did you decide to update the BIOS anyway?

What method did you use to update the BIOS? Did you try Q-Flash?

How was the board shorted to the chassis?
Knowing why you updated could give a clue to the problem, if there was problem. If you updated via @bios, trying Q-Flash might resolve your problem. And knowing how the board was shorted to ground could give a clue as to the severity of the potential damage.
The board is so old that its not worth Gigabytes time making a fix for it.
You are right, it is too old - now. But 4 years ago in 2014, it was not too old and if F8 was faulty, it would have been noticed within days of release and either pulled or fixed.

I really would like to see if this can be fixed rather than tossing it in the dump.
 

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What does that graphics card have to do with this?

When you find the perfect manufacturer, one that has never made a mistake, let us know. In the meantime, stop trying to blame Gigabyte for a grounding mistake you or "a guy" made. This is not Gigabyte's fault! By your own admission, this computer would not start before you flashed.
Okay.

GA-Z87-HD3 F8 BIOS freeze Yup. 1000s of them. :rolleyes:

As far as not adding to the thread, sorry you don't like what was said. But I did ask some valid questions like, Knowing why you updated could give a clue to the problem, if there was problem. If you updated via @bios, trying Q-Flash might resolve your problem. And knowing how the board was shorted to ground could give a clue as to the severity of the potential damage.
You are right, it is too old - now. But 4 years ago in 2014, it was not too old and if F8 was faulty, it would have been noticed within days of release and either pulled or fixed.

I really would like to see if this can be fixed rather than tossing it in the dump.
And this is exactly why i ask you to stay out of my thread. Im trying to get it fixed and youre trying to turn it into some sort of flame war. fyi im not *BLAMING* gigabyte for the earthing issue. I FIXED the earthing issue.


If you cant edit the bios i requested in my original post. CAN YOU JUST LEAVE PLEASE?
 

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Please, stay on topic.
No, placing blame on people, corporations, etc., unless, it pertains to "Motherboard (Z87 HD3) Bios Editor needed"
And, no bickering back and forth!

Thank You, Have a nice day.:)
 
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if your having a hard time trying jumping the pins. its often easier to do with a pair of needle nose pliers, or similar tool.l like tweezers(just lock them in a position where they are apart exactly as much as pins 1&6).

like this, but it can be hard to hit Power while holding it like this

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im not a professinal at this but ill take a look.

if you had an spi flasher you could just flash any bios onto the board from gigabytes website. it will also come in hand latter down the road when something like this happens. Everybody who does computer work should have one.
thank you for your suggestion for the Spi flasher. ive decided to order one myself though im not sure if i'll ever use it but at least its cheap.



if your having a hard time trying jumping the pins. its often easier to do with a pair of needle nose pliers, or similar tool.l like tweezers(just lock them in a position where they are apart exactly as much as pins 1&6).

like this, but it can be hard to hit Power while holding it like this

View attachment 110094

Good idea with the nose pliers :laugh::laugh:

Might also try flashing from DOS with AFUDOS or similar. Might work, or it might not. Or it might bork the main BIOS enough to get the backup to kick-in.
https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thr...-MSI-BIOS-to-unlock-full-features-UEFI-Aptio4
https://www.bios-mods.com/downloads/
https://forums.tweaktown.com/gigaby...-info-benchmarking-stability-tools-print.html

Thanks... I will give both of these a go when i finish work tomorrow as its already quite late in the evening and i want to relax before bed.

If RTB is out there though I still wouldn't mind that bios mod just as backup. Another person who might be capable of understanding what im after is @OneMoar (Possibly??) MKmods would've known about this shit too! (I miss that guy :()
 
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#20
I just saw this.

I can try to fix it for you. No promises but I have some ideas on how to fix/bypass that check.

Give me the weekend, I have a client really waiting on a system from me that has me swamped. :(
 

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#21
I just saw this.

I can try to fix it for you. No promises but I have some ideas on how to fix/bypass that check.

Give me the weekend, I have a client really waiting on a system from me that has me swamped. :(
Thank you ;) if not no worries I have a chip programmer arriving soon so I'll force flash it back to the previous bios if you can't do it
 
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#22
You realise theres is bios replacement for motherboards nowadays that is already have the latest bios update?
 

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#23
You realise theres is bios replacement for motherboards nowadays that is already have the latest bios update?
Yeah that would require me removing the old bios chips and soldering new ones on... I lack the right tools/equipment
 
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#24
I have a chip programmer arriving soon so I'll force flash it back to the previous bios if you can't do it
Here's my adventure with a Flashcatusb pro and an MSI Z97 board: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/i-think-i-killed-my-msi-z97-u3-plus-motherboard.238973/

Most MSI boards have a header to plug into since there's no dual bios. Have no idea about force flashing that Gigabyte with two Bios chips but give me a shout out, maybe I can help. I did try to resurrect another DOA board using one of these 8 pin SPI clips... it flashed but the board but still never posted, I think for other reasons:



https://www.embeddedcomputers.net/products/SerialAdapters/
 
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#25
If bios is not removable like asus p5q deluxe. Only way is to remove it by soldering or hot air station i say try a computer repair shop to do the work for you as along you get the correct bios chip. If theres any else wrong with the motherboard as you stated if anything was connected to the sata port it refused to post possible case is faulty sata cables or there something wrong with thebpower supply as you would need to test it with a digitial multi meter to see if any of the rails is reading the correct voltage then again try to take the ram and cpu out and power on the board while the sata cables are connected if it dont power on then the motherboard be at fault
 
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