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This seems to apply mainly to e-cigs that use a high voltage to vaporize the nicotine "juice."

Article from NIH.

When used at low voltage, e-cigarettes did not create any formaldehyde-releasing agents, the researchers found.

However, high-voltage use released enough formaldehyde-containing compounds to increase a person's lifetime risk of cancer five to 15 times higher than the risk caused by long-term smoking, the study said.

Formaldehyde is a known human carcinogen, according to the U.S. National Cancer Institute. It is a colorless, strong-smelling gas, commonly used in glues for products such as particle board, and in mortuaries as an embalming fluid.

The American Vaping Association, an industry group advocating for e-cigarette makers, argued that the new study was flawed because e-cigarette users wouldn't operate their devices at such high voltage.

"When the vapor device was used at the realistic setting of 3.7 volts, levels of formaldehyde were similar to the trace levels that are released from an FDA-approved [smoking-cessation] inhaler," association President Gregory Conley said. "However, when the researchers increased the voltage to 5 volts and continued to have their machine take three- to four-second puffs, this caused extreme overheating and the production of formaldehyde."

This is known "in vapor product science as the 'dry puff phenomenon,' " Conley said. "Contrary to the authors' mistaken belief, these are not settings that real-life vapers actually use, as dry puffs are harsh and unpleasant. In the real world, vapers avoid dry puffs by lowering the length of their puff as they increase voltage."

Noting that e-cigarettes remain unregulated, a representative with the American Cancer Society said these findings highlight the need for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration oversight.

"This study shows how little we know about toxic exposures that can result from using any one of the many different available types of e-cigarettes at different heating levels," said Eric Jacobs, the cancer society's strategic director of pharmacoepidemiology.
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I know a guy that stopped smoking by chewing Nicorette gum but he's still chewing the gum 3 years later. Nicotine is a hell of a drug. I started smoking when I was 14 and smoked until I was 45. I went the Mark Twain route.



“Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it thousands of times.”

Mark Twain


Honestly they should just make a nicotine powder to place under the tongue for the quick fix without all of the harmful chemicals added to cigarettes. It's not as fast as absorption through the lungs for immediate gratification but sublingual absorption is the second fastest.
 

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With a bit of luck this problem will be sorted out and smokers will be able to use these aids to giving up, safely.

I hope the selling of cigarettes is made illegal one day, but that's probably wishful thinking.

I'm glad that smoking has never been one of my vices.
 
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yeah cos prohibition rocks , why do some people feel the need to tell others how to live dude.

dont get me wrong i just Quit smoking via champix tablets and i do pine for a bit of nic still at the moment but i quit because they are not good for you but.

i should be able to injest, inhale what ever i want whenever i want without a nair do right piping up, there are too many on this planet anyway why the feck we need to prolong everyone's lives is beyond me, what the feck are all these old gets going to do in a 100 years anyway when jobs are in short supply as is food and housing and water.

if you wants to smoke yourself stupid crack on imho though i also concur, education on the issues is super important.
 
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If I gave up smoking I could afford a much nicer rig, my body would thank me and so would my Dad who died of cancer.

Whilst typing this I was smoking a cigarette.
 
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I use an kangertech e-sig with dual coil since April last year, the batteries are 4.xx volts, not 5 or higher.
 
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I just switched to a Kangertech e-cig with the hope of quiting. I have 2 e-cigs, one that has nicotine and one without. I am hoping to taper down the nicotine content lower and lower every couple weeks until I don't need it anymore. And there has been a big money savings.
 
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I just switched to a Kangertech e-cig with the hope of quiting. I have 2 e-cigs, one that has nicotine and one without. I am hoping to taper down the nicotine content lower and lower every couple weeks until I don't need it anymore. And there has been a big money savings.

At the moment I'm using menthol e-liquid with 18mg nicotine, I like a throat hit and there must be enough vapor.
 

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I stopped smoking on Dec 1st after a misdirected painkilling injection caused my lung to collapse. I have smoked for 35 years, i fucking loved them.

I have been using patches which are great for stopping.

I firmly believe that nicotine isnt a particulary bad drug on the scale of things. It is the method of delivery that is the problem and the many toxins in smoke.

Our lungs arent designed to smoke, they are designed to cough the shit out. E cigarettes are too new for anyone to say, but again i think they are the wrong delivery system for nicotine.
 
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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking? I mean other than peer pressure as a kid or people thinking that it's cool or something, what is it?
 

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I have a custom dual 18650 unregulated box with a tugboat dripper. I only use high VG type liquids from makers close to were I live. I feel better and breath better than when I did on the analogs. I believe it does help and people will say its safe but I would say safer not as bad as the analogs.

Oh and BTW here are some more studies that debunk the formaldehyde posts

http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2706
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4007895304001/gutfeld-new-e-cig-study-goes-up-in-smoke/?#sp=show-clips
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/188-frm-jp
http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/22/does-formaldehyde-make-e-cigarettes-wors
http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2706
 
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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking? I mean other than peer pressure as a kid or people thinking that it's cool or something, what is it?


I found them to be quite moreish.




And yes... without doubt THE most stupid thing i ever did.
 

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Some people deal with stress and other depressants in their own way. They are many ways people start smoking and some are dumb and some are justifiable.
 
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Some people deal with stress and other depressants in their own way. They are many ways people start smoking and some are dumb and some are justifiable.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. But Like @CAPSLOCKSTUCK said, it is the stupidest thing anyone can do.
 

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I speak wih a lot of experience,

it might not be the first smoke you have....it could be the first person to give you that smoke or where you had it that is the problem long term.

All schools know they have students who smoke, they cant stop that, what they can stop is their students putting themselves at risk from meeting freaks and pushers behind ASDA or wherever so theres usually a place in school the kids go.

Dont be fooled---of course the teachers know where it is, they also know where you are. Get it ?

Smoking cigarettes in hideaway places enabled me to meet pushers of every kind who i would not have otherwise meet.

Cannabis isnt the gateway drug............... FUCKING cigarettes are.

I guarantee your kids will smoke a cigarette before they try a spliff.
 
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i could write a paper on all the worse things you could do than smoke a cig..

i would never smoke other brands for the sake of my health.. of course best not to but if your going to put stuff in your body..
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At the moment I'm using menthol e-liquid with 18mg nicotine, I like a throat hit and there must be enough vapor.
I am Using Va tobacco with 18mg of nicotine. I the other I have Cola with no nicotine. I also have grape, Strawberry, Boston Creme pie , Ice blast and a fruity tequila. The Tobacco is the only one with nicotine in it.
 

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I speak wih a lot of experience,

it might not be the first smoke you have....it could be the first person to give you that smoke or where you had it that is the problem long term.

All schools know they have students who smoke, they cant stop that, what they can stop is their students putting themselves at risk from meeting freaks and pushers behind ASDA or wherever so theres usually a place in school the kids go.

Dont be fooled---of course the teachers know where it is, they also know where you are. Get it ?

Smoking cigarettes in hideaway places enabled me to meet pushers of every kind who i would not have otherwise meet.

Cannabis isnt the gateway drug............... FUCKING cigarettes are.

I guarantee your kids will smoke a cigarette before they try a spliff.

In my experience you are correct. Our High School Circa 1979 had a "smoking pit" for cigarette smokers in between classes and that's where you could buy dope. Pot, Quaaludes, Valium, blotter acid etc.
 
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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking? I mean other than peer pressure as a kid or people thinking that it's cool or something, what is it?

Whatever helps you sleep at night. But Like @CAPSLOCKSTUCK said, it is the stupidest thing anyone can do.

Yep, that's pretty much it. I was a dumb kid when I started, thought it was cool to smoke when hangin' around with my skater buddies. After 20 years I managed to quit with a lot of gum and nicotine patches. It was easier quitting cocaine.
 
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i firmly believe you more addicted to the hands full of chemicals in popular brands than nicotine itself. i would smoke 15-20 before i switched to american spirit and now its 2-5. i dont care so much when i run out anymore.. like going out in the middle of night instead of going to bed so i could have one in the morning.
 

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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking?
I didn't understand too, I always said that I was happy because I had never smoked but unfortunately and unknown reasons I started to smoke at the age of 31 and today I am 35, I had to quit smoking for 6 months because I was doing
an Anabolic + steroids cycle due to the gym but after 1 month I finished the cycle
I started smoking again.

I am a Smoker but I really hate and bother me a lot if someone smoke beside me and I
can't stand close places where many people are smoking.
 
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I know theres inflation and all the rest of it but just for the sake of hopefully stopping one member here from smoking.

This is just tobacco.......................................:eek: i am too frightened to factor in my weed consumption.:eek:



Lets say £ 8.00 per pack

365 days of the year

multiplied by my 35 year career of smoking cigarettes


£ 102,200.00



to put that into perspective........ i paid £ 120,00.00 for my 3 bedroom house


What a stupid prick i was to take up smoking !!!
 
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What I don't understand is what gets people to start smoking? I mean other than peer pressure as a kid or people thinking that it's cool or something, what is it?
why does anyone drink alcohol? why eat fatty foods? lots of sugar? It's the rare individual who is not self-destructive in some way with what they put into their body. Luckily for myself I never really got into smoking cigarettes. don't get me wrong I did for a time, and have bought them plenty - but they're to this day not enjoyable and if i have one it's rare and i don't finish it. When I do it's for stress relief or social drinking. I think I am done for good now though .... which would be nice ;)

that's what my buddy swears by. He gets the cans and rolls em.
 
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