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Some Interesting Info From Nvidia About Turing Adoption Rate

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No wonder they're staying on pascals.1060 to 1660ti is the only upgrade path that's good value.I think there's quite a lot former radeon users who went with turing instead of 590 or rvii.
Also,50% on pascal cards,that's a lot.
 
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That 'Majority Buying Up' stat is probably the most concerning; it pretty much validates the generational price rises between tiers for NVIDIA (for the consumers willing to pay, that is).
 
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"Desktop Revenue"-means they did more money from Turing than Pascal, this doesn't clear say that they sold more units Turing than Pascal, and if you know how expensive are Turing (20xx), this chart look bad if you know where to look, the biggest lie in life it is the half true.
 
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"Desktop Revenue"-means they did more money from Turing than Pascal, this doesn't clear say that they sold more units Turing than Pascal, and if you know how expensive are Turing (20xx), this chart look bad if you know where to look, the biggest lie in life it is the half true.
I wonder what that is and it's probably 2080ti selling at +$1000.
Too bad this is only gonna get worse, amd played their 7nm Vega card already and it made jhh chuckle.sad.
 
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Yeah, as a gamer, I don't see something good for us,from gpu side(better prices, so on) at least until the end of the year.
 
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"Desktop Revenue"-means they did more money from Turing than Pascal, this doesn't clear say that they sold more units Turing than Pascal, and if you know how expensive are Turing (20xx), this chart look bad if you know where to look, the biggest lie in life it is the half true.
Well, if you check prices on Pascals lately they are just as ridiculously high. For example a new 1080 Ti is priced at $1,100 to $1,400 on Amazon and Newegg. 1080 (non-Ti) are priced at around $800.
 
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I wonder what that is and it's probably 2080ti selling at +$1000.
Too bad this is only gonna get worse, amd played their 7nm Vega card already and it made jhh chuckle.sad.
There's Navi still to come & AMD's 7nm APU, how much do you think Nvidia can hold on to when Intel releases their GPU :rolleyes:

This is the last cash grab Nvidia can pull off, I expect a major change in market-share in the coming year or two!
 
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That is the street prices now, we talk about nvidia prices for first 8 weeks, for each gen, "pay attention, boy!"(GoW 2?).
 
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That is the street prices now, we talk about nvidia prices for first 8 weeks, for each gen, "pay attention, boy!"(GoW 2?).
Missed that. Thanks.
 
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That 'Majority Buying Up' stat is probably the most concerning; it pretty much validates the generational price rises between tiers for NVIDIA (for the consumers willing to pay, that is).
Its also super vague. What does it really say? It is absolutely not true everyone's 'buying up' - only 2% did that for Turing. The 1660ti is only just out, I doubt it contains any of those. This is a slide for shareholders more than anyone else, trying to create the impression its business as usual. People are not buying up. They are simply not buying.

So let's get into this; 50% of installed base is Pascal; 2% upgraded to Turing. That is 1% of the total installed base with a Turing RTX card, and that was over the last six months, or more if you count pre order time. For a new gen that's out over 2 years past the previous one, that is extremely worrying. I'm sure everyone's buying up. The everyone is however just a handful of people :D And those 1080ti owners? The ones that did 'buy up' had to get sent two or three replacements to kill the space invaders... The rest shrugs and moves on.

What's really happening is very simple, Pascal high end users have zero incentive to buy into Turing, apart from promises and blurred DLSS 4K plus some god rays in one game and pools of water in another. You could see this coming from miles away, I saw it when Huang shouted 'ten gigarays' with nothing to show for it, trying his best Steve Jobs impersonation; everything was amazing and awesome. It was vague then and it still is today, there wasn't much content then and there isn't today. By the time this gen is somewhat adopted, 7nm is there waiting and Nvidia is there very eager to move high margin units again to regain share value. They already gave up with Turing's high end, really, they probably will focus on volume in the lower half of the stack; without RT. Say byebye to those adoption rates, and now you know why Nvidia tells us Turing sans RT can still do things 'a bit faster' than Pascal. They're already selling it without the dedicated hardware ;)

What that means is that 7nm for Nvidia is the actual start of RTX. Not Turing. They basically wasted a full gen for us and the contingency plan is in place.

That first pic, I'm curious what math is behind that because it totally doesn't mix with the other ones. OTOH early Pascal also had some supply issues and only launched with GP104, which, from a 980ti wasn't really worthwhile, and it launched with FE's that were objectively not interesting.
 
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So many people still with old Geforces despite that independent and fair Youtube tech journalists discovered Nvidia gimping older GPUs performance with drivers. o_O
 
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Its also super vague. What does it really say? It is absolutely not true everyone's 'buying up' - only 2% did that for Turing. The 1660ti is only just out, I doubt it contains any of those. This is a slide for shareholders more than anyone else, trying to create the impression its business as usual. People are not buying up. They are simply not buying.
I hope this isn't the slides they showed to the investors, as lex said someone needs to take a good hard look at them!
 
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The 1660ti is only just out, I doubt it contains any of those.
Market share probably does. The first, launch sell through chart should not include 1660Ti - that is a $279 card, below the stated $299 on the chart.
That first pic, I'm curious what math is behind that because it totally doesn't mix with the other ones. OTOH early Pascal also had some supply issues and only launched with GP104, which, from a 980ti wasn't really worthwhile, and it launched with FE's that were objectively not interesting.
First 8 weeks is probably carefully chosen. In first two months all Pascals were quickly bought up. It was easy enough to obtain one but there was no real rock anywhere and prices were way up from MSRP. GTX1080 was a good 25-30% faster than 980Ti at launch.
This is a slide for shareholders more than anyone else, trying to create the impression its business as usual.
This. Marketing and especially shareholders. Not really worth paying much attention to.
 
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GTX1080 was a good 25-30% faster than 980Ti at launch..
That is true, but these people also knew a 1080ti would be coming out. Anyway, we can agree its a creative bit of math here :D
 

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Their graphs are as confusing as AMD’s. The middle one is the only one that has any semblance of worth.
And ironically its incorrect :D We're looking at 2% Turing sales eating away at 50% Pascal sales in the same half of the pie. Some magical % for sure :)
 
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And ironically its incorrect :D We're looking at 2% Turing sales eating away at 50% Pascal sales in the same half of the pie. Some magical % for sure :)
You're right. Good catch.
 
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I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but that pie graph is way wrong. Take a close look at it.
Yeah, why the F is it eating out of pascal's 50% and not "olders" 48%? Come on NVIDIA...
 
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Yeah, why the F is it eating out of pascal's 50% and not "olders" 48%? Come on NVIDIA...
I don't think NVidia created that pie chart. The 48% and 50% are in the wrong places.
 
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There's Navi still to come & AMD's 7nm APU, how much do you think Nvidia can hold on to when Intel releases their GPU :rolleyes:

This is the last cash grab Nvidia can pull off, I expect a major change in market-share in the coming year or two!
Exactly this, RTX DLSS VRs of a kind or the same , were all on their way to us anyway via Microsoft but huang only see's cash cows and bet big , next years financials will be far more interesting then this year's as will the aftermath of Turing ,no matter how you see it.

And i effin love the majority buying up bit, wtaf , they sold a 2060 as the next 1060 initially, so yeah some bought it ,,then they released the actual 1060 replacement a few days ago with the non RTX cards ,clearly 1660Ti and non ti have not dented that stat yet because they were not even about, only a fool would not realise this ffs.
 
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