Some people accuse TPU of 'bias' towards Nvidia.

[ArbitraryAffection]

Hey

In light of the recent Radeon VII review here on TPU, i've noticed some people on other sites claiming that TPU is bias or somehow prefering NVIDIA in their reviews. Just to make this clear, i am not complaining because I am not one of these people. I think the reviews of GPUs here on TPU are fantastic and i appreciate all the hard work that goes into them. But Just out of curiosity, I have seen other sites posting somewhat better results of performance for the Radeon VII than here on TPU.

I've debunked some of the comments are down to cherry picking results like Battlefield V and Deus Ex Mankind divided. Also someone tell me what the hell is going on with this review?? (their selection of titles is a joke , all AMD bias, but the guy claims VII can keep pace with 2080 Ti and his results seem to show that, wtf?).

From that review:

Consider me a convert. Nvidia’s grand ray tracing adventure has given AMD a chance to define itself with a more traditional card that turns all the dials up to 11. The Radeon VII doesn’t just best the RTX 2080. It sometimes keeps pace with the RTX 2080 Ti, a video card that’s priced at $1,199

Just wanted peoples' opinions on this whole Radeon VII results thing.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Also someone tell me what the hell is going on with this review?? (their selection of titles is a joke , all AMD bias, but the guy claims VII can keep pace with 2080 Ti and his results seem to show that, wtf?).

I saw that article today, definitely badly biased.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

I saw that article today, definitely badly biased.

Yeah it's really bad, I mean how can he say the VII can keep pace with the 2080 Ti with a straight face? Yeah, in like, what? One game? And it's not even straight up faster. It's misleading. It's like taking that one game where 1060 matches Vega 56 (I think there was one) and then saying the GTX 1060 beats the Vega 56.

Anyway I just don't like seeing my favourite tech site be accused of bias. >:C

 

[Kursah]

I'm not really concerned that TPU is biased one way or the other on any of its testing or reviews. W1z isn't one to go down that road, and neither is his review staff. That's one of the reasons I've appreciated the community, site and its reviews for over a decade in lieu of other sites that clearly do bias or use skewed or provided results. TPU on the other hand uses their results.

i've noticed some people on other sites claiming that TPU is bias or somehow prefering NVIDIA in their reviews. J.

I haven't seen anyone of any caliber or rank calling out TPU for being NVidia biased, not that I'm looking either so surely could have easily been missed or passed by. Is it folks on other forums and Reddit claiming this? Do you mind providing links and sources for those claims?

Frankly I wouldn't worry too much, TPU's been around a long time and has a good method for its reviews and is known for that. If folks don't want to believe or appreciate the results and efforts to achieve them, that doesn't devalue the review or results IMHO. Folks talk trash about everything, doesn't mean everything's trash.

 

[Super XP]

Yeah it's really bad, I mean how can he say the VII can keep pace with the 2080 Ti with a straight face? Yeah, in like, what? One game? And it's not even straight up faster. It's misleading. It's like taking that one game where 1060 matches Vega 56 (I think there was one) and then saying the GTX 1060 beats the Vega 56.

Anyway I just don't like seeing my favourite tech site be accused of bias. >:C

You do realize the Radeon VII, while not perfect keeps up with the RTX 2080 in DX12 in 2K and 4K high PQ settings go. This isn't isolated to just one or 2 reviews. This spawns across multiple reviews.
But seems to fall behind in DX11.

I like TPU's review process, though I do suggest something. Instead of giving people the average, how about giving us MAX PQ tests and Normal PW tests at difference Resolutions. 1080p 2k 4k etc.

 

[64K]

One thing to take into consideration is that 2 sites can bench the same game with the same GPU/CPU and get different results than each other because they didn't bench on the exact same area of the game. Some areas are more demanding than others. I think there are some sites that probably shouldn't be trusted but I don't think this site is one of them. In fact, I think this site does a very thorough job of benching GPUs. It's the first site I go to for reviews on GPUs.

 

[HossHuge]

I came here for the first time many moons ago because I needed help. I was impressed with how many people wanted to help me and still am to this day when I see other people needing help. The forum is awesome!

When I'm researching a purchase I use as many sites as I can to make my final decision. People should never buy something based on one site/review.

 

[eidairaman1]

Hey

In light of the recent Radeon VII review here on TPU, i've noticed some people on other sites claiming that TPU is bias or somehow prefering NVIDIA in their reviews. Just to make this clear, i am not complaining because I am not one of these people. I think the reviews of GPUs here on TPU are fantastic and i appreciate all the hard work that goes into them. But Just out of curiosity, I have seen other sites posting somewhat better results of performance for the Radeon VII than here on TPU.

I've debunked some of the comments are down to cherry picking results like Battlefield V and Deus Ex Mankind divided. Also someone tell me what the hell is going on with this review?? (their selection of titles is a joke , all AMD bias, but the guy claims VII can keep pace with 2080 Ti and his results seem to show that, wtf?).

From that review:


Just wanted peoples' opinions on this whole Radeon VII results thing.

It's a 1080Ti contender at best.

AMD should of released this card back in 2016.

 

[the54thvoid]

People that think TPU is biased towards Nvidia tend to be biased towards AMD. It's like a faith system, where a result you do not like must be attributed to falsehood.
Given TPUs preponderance to 'grey market' key resellers, it shows that it's unlikely to be taking backhanders from Nvidia.

As an additional factor, it's clearly obvious more people dislike Nvidias business direction, myself included, whereas I'd argue it's hard to 'hate' on the underdog but that's human nature.

 

[AsRock]

It's a 1080Ti contender at best.

AMD should of released this card back in 2016.

When i went though the benchmarks my mind still not changed, i still think the 1080Ti is best buy just not willing to throw that kind of money away.

But power usage is important to me too and 30-80w difference matters.

EDIT
And that's from some one who don't like nVidia all that much. and to tell you the truth as long as the numbers are true which i am sure W1zard does is best doing so i don't care about the write up about the cards and so forth as in the end only the numbers that matter to me. With the odd exception like how they 2060 is put together lol.

 

[Sasqui]

TPU on the other hand uses their results.

And a very seemingly consistent and repeatable testing process & test setup. This is in every review I looked at going back to Aug 2018:

 

[Tatty_Two]

I suppose for me, the irony is that much of what made these forums popular in their early days was that this site was almost born with ATI in it's hands, from softmods, to hard/volt mods and even authored ATI overclocking tools, the history of red here is strong, what has changed across many of the sites like ours is we have so much more commercialism, competition, e Peen and fanboism, and of course the global markets for PC hardware.

I remember joining because I was looking for a softmod to unlock pixel pipelines (I had a 6800GS at the time) and there were so many more guys here doing stuff with their ATI cards that I definitely felt the minority at that time.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

I haven't seen anyone of any caliber or rank calling out TPU for being NVidia biased, not that I'm looking either so surely could have easily been missed or passed by. Is it folks on other forums and Reddit claiming this? Do you mind providing links and sources for those claims?

Ehm, please don't laugh at me, but it was on Videocardz comment section. I'm just really anxious at the moment and worrying about everything. In a way I just wanted some reassurance.

Here are some links that upset me: this comment and this one. but I have seen some more of this nature. Sorry If i'm being silly.

One thing to take into consideration is that 2 sites can bench the same game with the same GPU/CPU and get different results than each other because they didn't bench on the exact same area of the game. Some areas are more demanding than others. I think there are some sites that probably shouldn't be trusted but I don't think this site is one of them. In fact, I think this site does a very thorough job of benching GPUs. It's the first site I go to for reviews on GPUs.

That's a very good point about the different areas of the game. I completely didnt think about that. And yes I love TPU, i've been a reader for ages Only recently became active with my account though.

 

[Super XP]

Long Live ATI Radeon Branding.

 

[Kursah]

Ehm, please don't laugh at me, but it was on Videocardz comment section. I'm just really anxious at the moment and worrying about everything. In a way I just wanted some reassurance.

Here are some links that upset me: this comment and this one. but I have seen some more of this nature. Sorry If i'm being silly.

Looks like people talking out of their arse because they don't like the real results and feel that TPU didn't pick the right games to show off AMD. That same thing is said about NV reviews. Some folks look through ignorant tinted glasses, doesn't change reality. Don't let em' get under your skin!

The fact its only a couple of folks, and really the ones showing bias are the ones complaining makes me smile more than anything, because I know the process that is accomplished here and whenever W1z or his review staff have made an error, they've announced it and resolved it right away. If they were truly concerned TPU's reviews are biased and skewed, they'd bring more than ASSumptions to that here on TPU, constructively, rather than slandering the site from afar, clearly they just want to jab at a review they disagree with, without having to answer for it directly at the source. Nothing to worry about that I can see.

 

[EarthDog]

AS a reviewer myself... TPU is NOT biased. IMO, the what, 23 games used here give a more than fair representation of popular games that users play and is, by far, the most comprehensive. I don't know how they choose the ddgames, but I am certain it isn't by TWIMTB or an Radeon sponsorship but (guessing) it is done by relevance and how 'easy' it is to bench (RE: built in benchmarks).

But yeah, reviews are always going to be different from site to site for many reasons including the system and any variables there, OS, titles/settings/place in a manual run to bench (BF V for example)... etc.

If there is one thing that TPU does great, its the GPU reviews.

But you really need to get your damn case reviewer to respond to questions (the LD01 review... still waiting...)...LOL! That was incredibly annoying for something so simple to not get an answer off a review...

I'm just really anxious at the moment

Dear God lady, its reviews... go get some meds/talk it out if this is bringing you anxiety!!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I wouldn't say Bias, but the fact is it looks like TPU favours Nvidia because the reviews do and the large majority of the forum do to (it's a simple fact),of which a small minority are overly zealous.
But What can you do , I want Amd to succeed but I don't want facts being made up to slant reviews either way , and I don't think they are it's just Nvidia optimization rule's, simple.

However I do think that reviews should be based more on typical gamers use cases ,of which extreme mode users are the minority.

 

[Vayra86]

Hey

In light of the recent Radeon VII review here on TPU, i've noticed some people on other sites claiming that TPU is bias or somehow prefering NVIDIA in their reviews. Just to make this clear, i am not complaining because I am not one of these people. I think the reviews of GPUs here on TPU are fantastic and i appreciate all the hard work that goes into them. But Just out of curiosity, I have seen other sites posting somewhat better results of performance for the Radeon VII than here on TPU.

I've debunked some of the comments are down to cherry picking results like Battlefield V and Deus Ex Mankind divided. Also someone tell me what the hell is going on with this review?? (their selection of titles is a joke , all AMD bias, but the guy claims VII can keep pace with 2080 Ti and his results seem to show that, wtf?).

From that review:


Just wanted peoples' opinions on this whole Radeon VII results thing.

The world is changing when it comes to these chips. Nvidia is holding an 80%+ share of the market for PC gaming with no real resistance and that is scary to many, so its only logical that people will start resisting. That may infect reviews and results, and some reviewers may not even be aware that they are not neutral anymore, simply because they are stuck in a mindset 'to resist' a monopoly. We see it all the time, we saw it against Intel, and favoring the underdog is nothing new.

That said, numbers generally don't lie, and I certainly don't believe TPUs numbers lie. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. The Radeon VII numbers over here almost 100% match those I find elsewhere, for example here: -and I can guarantee you this site has no bias; and if any, it would be AMD bias among the userbase.
https://tweakers.net/reviews/6842/amd-radeon-vii-videokaart-vechten-tegen-de-rtx-bierkaai.html

So, best response in my opinion is shrug and move on. Its a GPU. The market will decide what's better in the end, and things can always change. Look where Vega is right now, as a very compelling alternative simply due to its price.

Oh, and also, I think you really oughta not care so much about what other people say I've said this to you on your wall as well Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one...

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

Dear God lady, its reviews... go get some meds/talk it out if this is bringing you anxiety!!

I am already taking medicine for it but it's really bad, some days it's okay but other times i'm worrying seriously about little things. tech is like an outlet for me, then i started reading those comments and making me worry about that too. So i guess I just needed to be reassured. I'm probably not going to read the comments on Videocardz tbh...

 

[Vayra86]

I am already taking medicine for it but it's really bad, some days it's okay but other times i'm worrying seriously about little things. tech is like an outlet for me, then i started reading those comments and making me worry about that too. So i guess I just needed to be reassured. I'm probably not going to read the comments on Videocardz tbh...

Sounds like a clear case of 'less reading, more gaming' for you!

Doctor's orders!

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

Sounds like a clear case of 'less reading, more gaming' for you!

Doctor's orders!

haha yeah probably a good idea

 

[EarthDog]

You seem like you have a clue so, don't rely on the lemmings to sway your opinion. Your best bet is to look at MULTIPLE reviews and get a bigger picture/more thoughts. This way, you have the tools to formulate your own opinion, F-all the rest..... keep an open mind though!!! <-- KEY!

But yeah, anxiety over this stuff... not worth it in the least. It is hard at larger forums like these to sort through the BS sometimes... there are a lot of people here with little clue who like to 'share knowledge' with the rest and those are some of the most vocal folks too, sadly. Too many here have polarizing opinions and its a bit rough at times (ty, ignore function) to filter through BS and toxic bias.

 

[Divide Overflow]

You do realize the Radeon VII, while not perfect keeps up with the RTX 2080 in DX12 in 2K and 4K high PQ settings go. This isn't isolated to just one or 2 reviews. This spawns across multiple reviews.
But seems to fall behind in DX11.

After taking a look at some of the other reviews, you are spot on.
If I read it correctly, TPU's Radeon VII review had 1 test for Vulkan, 2 for DX12 and 18 for DX11.
Other reviews that focused more on DX12 showed better performance for the Radeon VII.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

After taking a look at some of the other reviews, you are spot on.
If I read it correctly, TPU's Radeon VII review had 1 test for Vulkan, 2 for DX12 and 18 for DX11.
Other reviews that focused more on DX12 showed better performance for the Radeon VII.

It's a shame that DX12 isn't really taking off as much as everyone thought though. DX11 is still firmly entrenched. So while Radeon VII could be considered more 'future proof' in a way, I think DX11 is still really important to show. On that note do you think it is a driver thing or a hardware thing? I have heard that AMD's driver is a lot less bottlenecky (is that a word? xD) in DX12 and Vulkan so it can extract more performance from the GPU.

 

[Kursah]

Well let's not forget that periodically W1z and review staff will ask what games and resolutions we want to see in their reviews, whether or not scores should stay, etc.

So the community here has in-fact helped shape TPU reviews to some extent. Ultimately W1z calls the ball, but he also has no issues accepting quality feedback from viewers and taking it into account. Here's some examples:

• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/should-we-remove-numeric-scores-for-reviews.247934/
• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/feedback-for-image-comparison-slider.250321/
• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/temps-in-tpu-cpu-reviews.237615/
• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/switch-to-gtx-1080-ti-for-cpu-reviews.237616/
• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/cpu-reviews-720p-1080p-4k-or-1080p-1440p-4k.233110/
• https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/desktop-system-review-overhaul.252376/#post-3990388